1080 Ti? Wait for Vega? Curious what you guys think.

[blotto]

I'm a staunch ATI/AMD supporter, haven't had an nVidia GPU since the 8800GT and I got sick of waiting for Vega and ordered a 1080ti. The 4GB in my Fury X had become a huge issue at 1440p and I couldn't get satisfactory frame rates in most Q4 2016 - Q1 2017 releases so I needed to do something. Vega just never materialized in the window I expected it to so I sacrificed Freesync and went green.

I'm expecting another round of Fury X vs 980ti where it's close but the Ti is a bit faster in most situations. If that's the case, maybe I'll sell/trade for the Vega if I miss free sync.

 

[happy medium]

The community collectively agrees that Vega will cost more or less or the same as the 1080 Ti and will be faster or slower or perform the same.

Anything else is up in the air.

Wait if you can bear to wait, buy now if you want better performance now.

Again this guy with the honest correct answer.

 

[guachi]

I have a Freesync monitor ($300 less than a similar Gsync monitor!) and Vega had better come in at 1080 speeds given it's not coming until May. If it had been November 2016, it could have been at 1070 speeds/prices.

But if Vega really does come at 1080 speeds it'll be a better deal, imo, than nVidia because you can match it with a cheaper Freesync monitor and get a better play experience. Of course, it actually has to be released.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I have been waiting for Vega since 2015.

 

[TemjinGold]

No freesync monitor, so not married to either team. Guess I'll wait till there are some AIB 1080TIs in stock and then evaluate.

 

[YBS1]

I'm waiting to see what Vega brings and at what prices. If I needed 1080ti performance, I could have had that many months ago when they called it a Titan. I don't like that it's basically an early adopter tax on that though, so given the chance I'll buy Vega. If it fails to impress me on a price/performance level, I suppose I'll just not buy anything and stand pat for now. Probably throw those dollars at that Springfield M1A SOCOM I've been wanting or maybe build an AR10.

 

[railven]

Checking in with my 1080 Ti, can do 2025mhz with +25mv, without the minor OV stuck at 1988.

I learned not to ask for GPU buying advice on ATF. You're not going to get a straight answer and the obvious bias people are often the worse to even try and rationalize their posts.

Need the performance now, buy a GTX 1080 Ti (or an AIB when released.)

Can hold out and want to see how the landscape is, wait for Vega.

 

[Grubbernaught]

1080ti and EK block hopefully being delivered today.

I absolutely will buy Vega for my SFF build provided it is competitive at the top end. I believe it will offer good $/perf no matter where it lands in the performance stack.

Basically I am waiting for Vega and not waiting for Vega all at the same time =)

 

[guachi]

Maybe they should rename Vega and call it Godot.

 

[Dice144]

Holding out using my GTX 1060 6GB OC to 2028 core.

 

[2is]

If Volta was 2 months out at the time of Vega release. But it isn't.

If Vega is indeed two months out, you can rest assured it won't be faster than the 1080Ti. If it were, we'd have leaks all over the place. So basically if you want 1080ti performance, you have two options.

1080Ti, Titan X

 

[2is]

Checking in with my 1080 Ti, can do 2025mhz with +25mv, without the minor OV stuck at 1988.

I learned not to ask for GPU buying advice on ATF. You're not going to get a straight answer and the obvious bias people are often the worse to even try and rationalize their posts.

Need the performance now, buy a GTX 1080 Ti (or an AIB when released.)

Can hold out and want to see how the landscape is, wait for Vega.

What's a "straight" answer? You have some people saying not to wait and some people saying wait. Those are the only two options, one of them must be straight.

 

[AtenRa]

Since currently the GTX1080Ti is out of stock all over the globe, i would wait for Vega and then decide what to get.

 

[lehtv]

What's a "straight" answer? You have some people saying not to wait and some people saying wait. Those are the only two options, one of them must be straight.

Actually both of those are straight answers. A non straight answer would be something like "Maybe you should wait, maybe you shouldn't" or "it depends".

 

[Aristotelian]

Surprised by how "cheap" the 1080 Ti is relative to the increase in performance from the 1080 and am considering it for this newly built rig. Wanted to wait for Vega initially though. I know all we have are vague rumors at this point. Do they seem to point to Vega being better? Just cheaper? (A LOT cheaper?) Am I just dumb and should just save a ton of money on a vanilla 1080? I play at 3440X1440.

If your rig is ready and you're just considering the update from 1080 to 1080Ti for games you play NOW at 3440x1440 I'd say: sell the 1080 and get the 1080Ti immediately.

People like me who play the waiting game are in it for the long haul; I have some watercooling components ready for a loop but I'm building my next PC after 4k HDR monitors come out, and will buy the performance I need at that time - know what I mean? If I had your pc I'd upgrade now while the 1080 is still worth something and then enjoy my games.

 

[2is]

Actually both of those are straight answers. A non straight answer would be something like "Maybe you should wait, maybe you shouldn't" or "it depends".

I agree. So we do in fact have multiple straight answers here

 

[Newbian]

No freesync monitor, so not married to either team. Guess I'll wait till there are some AIB 1080TIs in stock and then evaluate.

Well this is as good an answer as you can give.

As far as anyone knows amd has said top end vega will be about 10% faster then the current gtx 1080 so it won't be up to the ti standards but at the very least it should drop it's price a bit because of competition.

Granted you have to take what they say with a grain of salt right now as that's all we have going for it so by the time aib versions roll around it should be closer to their release date and we will see then.

 

[Krteq]

I'm still running R9 290 and I will definitely wait for Vega. At least prices for cards of both IHVs will settle to some reasonable point.

 

[tviceman]

ill bookmark this thread people claiming rx vega will battle the 1080

Given that it's currently taking AMD 15% more die size and 30% more power consumption to almost match Nvidia in comparable performance, Vega has a big hill to climb. I personally think big Vega will come in close to 1080 TI, but will be ~10% behind, and little Vega will either be tied or ever so slightly faster than a 1070.

 

[TemjinGold]

If your rig is ready and you're just considering the update from 1080 to 1080Ti for games you play NOW at 3440x1440 I'd say: sell the 1080 and get the 1080Ti immediately.

People like me who play the waiting game are in it for the long haul; I have some watercooling components ready for a loop but I'm building my next PC after 4k HDR monitors come out, and will buy the performance I need at that time - know what I mean? If I had your pc I'd upgrade now while the 1080 is still worth something and then enjoy my games.

Nope, still on my 290.

 

[sm625]

Didn't take long for an advise thread to turn into a vega absolutely sucks thread.You all sure are a special lot.

The OP asked for a fair appraisal of Vega's chances. It's not all bad though. On a positive note I think the clocks will be up near 1500MHz, far better than Fury was. But I do think that will still be very close to the limit leaving no room for overclocking. That's just how AMD rolls. The draw-stream binning rasterizer should add another 10% over polaris. The lower priced Vega SKU could actually compete with the 1070 on price, and in that case it is hard to see it actually losing in fps per $. This could be AMD's best chance for a solid win. But again, I think the profit margin will be lower. I hope to see HBM2 SKUs at $350 and under because it bodes well for the chances of a somewhat low cost SoC with HBM, which is the holy grail for AMD.

 

[richaron]

The OP asked for a fair appraisal of Vega's chances. It's not all bad though. On a positive note I think the clocks will be up near 1500MHz, far better than Fury was. But I do think that will still be very close to the limit leaving no room for overclocking. That's just how AMD rolls. The draw-stream binning rasterizer should add another 10% over polaris. The lower priced Vega SKU could actually compete with the 1070 on price, and in that case it is hard to see it actually losing in fps per $. This could be AMD's best chance for a solid win. But again, I think the profit margin will be lower. I hope to see HBM2 SKUs at $350 and under because it bodes well for the chances of a somewhat low cost SoC with HBM, which is the holy grail for AMD.

^ Sure it's kinda like a fair appraisal but it's also fair for the author to be known as consistently posting information against AMD and neglecting any facts which might go against their position.

I feel I can assist by helping people ignore these posters with a serial brand bias.

Unless you need a product immediately, or need specific product features; It's stupid to buy now without even considering the competition (which will be out extremely soon). And despite all the claims noone here actually knows Vega performance. The argument that you shouldn't wait because something is always coming is stupid because it presents no timeframe: And we know Vega's timefame.

 

[AtenRa]

Well this is as good an answer as you can give.

As far as anyone knows amd has said top end vega will be about 10% faster then the current gtx 1080 so it won't be up to the ti standards but at the very least it should drop it's price a bit because of competition.

Granted you have to take what they say with a grain of salt right now as that's all we have going for it so by the time aib versions roll around it should be closer to their release date and we will see then.

Where did AMD said that ?? any links ?

 

[Det0x]

Where did AMD said that ?? any links ?

+1
I would also like to see that quote

 

[Mopetar]

After Vega comes out, should we start telling people to wait for Volta, too?

There's always something new coming -- at some point, you just need to buy the product that suits your needs and is available now.

That's certainly true, but it seems there's solid reason to believe that Vega will land in early May since that promotional stuff with Prey 2 came out. Not exactly a confirmation, but it seems to be a reasonable bet.

Also, there's no competition for NVidia right now, so a lot of their product stack is probably price inflated. AMD doesn't have any competition beyond the 1060, so prices are going to be higher. I suspect AMD will try to slot Vega relative to NVidia and can't be too generous as Vega with HBM2 is going to be more expensive to manufacture. However, if the performance is good, it may result in price drops from NVidia so even if you do end up getting (or already know you will get the NV GPU no matter what) it's still probably better to wait as you'll likely be able to get it at a lower price once they have some actual competition.