10th Annual Tax Thread - 2012

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bignateyk

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Also, with regard to the Cell Phone usage that you mentioned. My tax preparer last year wrote the whole thing off like you just suggested, but everywhere I look online, they say you have to deduct only the percent of your cell phone and/or internet that you use for business.

Is there a definitive source that says one way or the other?
 

EagleKeeper

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From IRS itself
Tax preparation fees. The cost of hiring a tax professional, such as a C.P.A., to prepare that part of your tax return relating to your business as a sole proprietor is deductible on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ. Any remaining cost may be deductible on Schedule A (Form 1040) if you itemize deductions.

You can also claim a business deduction for amounts paid or incurred in resolving asserted tax deficiencies for your business operated as a sole proprietor.

Much depends on how you define how much of the cost is related to the Schedule C.

If this item were to be flagged, the IRS would then be looking at what you put in the Schedule A for misc expense.

If you did not put an entry in for Tax work; was it an oversight, not used or filled into Schedule C.

That is your determination.

I figure that one who has a business has the ability to fill out the Schedule A without tax S/W; so the software is intended to support the Schedule C. Also the tax software questionnaire when asking about tax preparation costs does not split it out. Nor have I seen it apportion on its own.
 

EagleKeeper

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Also, with regard to the Cell Phone usage that you mentioned. My tax preparer last year wrote the whole thing off like you just suggested, but everywhere I look online, they say you have to deduct only the percent of your cell phone and/or internet that you use for business.

Is there a definitive source that says one way or the other?

The IRS will no longer require recordkeeping of business use of an employer-provided cell phone in order to receive this tax-free treatment as long as the phone is issued and used primarily for business reasons.

This does not state exclusively - it is taken that some personal use can be expected if not intended primarily for personal use.
 

Meractik

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First off, I would like to say Thank you for all the hard work done each and every year to bring the tax thread to life.

Secondly, I would like to confirm the info I have received regarding a TSP rollover into a Roth IRA.

To my understanding normally Roth IRA accounts are often never required to have taxes paid on them prior to withdrawal of funds (at retirement...)

But given my circumstances the fact that I rolled over a TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) into a Roth IRA account with my existing bank, because the TSP funds are pre-tax the taxes on that amount (the rolled over amount) needs to be paid at the end of the tax year. Correct?

I have been told by a financial family friend that I would need to pay the taxes by indicating the form Ill receive from the TSP in my tax paperwork for this year AND include the total amount of the roll-over in my reported annual income. Sound right?

I am not the most financially savvy individual but I would like to get a second opinion about this matter just to make sure (as I plan on filing myself this year, to save some $) , and I figured what better place to come then here with you experienced people.

Any information you could provide in reference to my questions is most appreciated. Thanks!
 
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OP - Can you enlighten me a bit on donations for tax write-offs?

I donated a bit of clothes/handbags to goodwill late 2012 - Will this be as easy as listing them and getting tax dollars back, or is it only useful if you donated at least $X amount or more?
 

EagleKeeper

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OP - Can you enlighten me a bit on donations for tax write-offs?

I donated a bit of clothes/handbags to goodwill late 2012 - Will this be as easy as listing them and getting tax dollars back, or is it only useful if you donated at least $X amount or more?

You need to use the Schedule A in order to get the benefit of charitable deductions.

After that, it is just a matter of listing the items, date and amount and charity.
 
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You need to use the Schedule A in order to get the benefit of charitable deductions.

After that, it is just a matter of listing the items, date and amount and charity.

Can you describe in more detail? What is Schedule A precisely? Also, I've read you can basically determine the value, but what would you say is the value for typical hand bags, typical pairs of jeans, and typical shirts/dressware?
 

Juked07

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What is Alternative Minimum Tax?

I know very little about tax stuff, but I did (sort of) do my own taxes last year and this year with TurboTax. This year I got this page which I hadn't seen before. What is this?:

AMT Income Calculation
Taxable Income [number > 0]
Add Adjustments: Explain This
Personal Exemptions [number > 0]
Taxes [number > 0]
____________
Alternative Minimum Taxable Income [number > 0]


AMT
Alternative Minimum Tax [number > 0]
Subtract: Regular Tax [number < 0]
____________
AMT Amount $9,454
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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Can you describe in more detail? What is Schedule A precisely? Also, I've read you can basically determine the value, but what would you say is the value for typical hand bags, typical pairs of jeans, and typical shirts/dressware?

If you don't have any other itemized deductions -- state and local income/sales taxes, real estate taxes, mortgage interest, etc, I wouldn't even worry about it. From the sounds of it, you don't itemize on your return. If you don't then you cannot deduct the donated goods.

If you do, then see: http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf/0/D477340FFA28755C8525743D0049D1EF?Opendocument
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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What is Alternative Minimum Tax?

I know very little about tax stuff, but I did (sort of) do my own taxes last year and this year with TurboTax. This year I got this page which I hadn't seen before. What is this?:

AMT Income Calculation
Taxable Income [number > 0]
Add Adjustments: Explain This
Personal Exemptions [number > 0]
Taxes [number > 0]
____________
Alternative Minimum Taxable Income [number > 0]


AMT
Alternative Minimum Tax [number > 0]
Subtract: Regular Tax [number < 0]
____________
AMT Amount $9,454

Long story short there are really two types of tax calculations: regular tax and alternative minimum tax. There are certain things that are deductible for regular tax, but Congress in its infinite wisdom wanted to ensure that certain people with many deductions don't pay too little. This brings in the AMT. Certain items are add-backs for AMT -- the biggest being state or local income/property taxes. From that you compute taxable income for AMT purposes (AMTI), which is then taxed by either 26% or 28%.

You then pay the greater of regular tax or AMT. If most of your income is already taxed at a higher rate, then AMT doesn't come into play.

From your post it looks like you're paying $9,454 in AMT. One thing I will caution is I also don't know if the software you're using has been updated to account for the permanent "patch" included in the fiscal cliff bill. I'm guessing it has been.
 

basslover1

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Ok, this seems to be the thread to ask this question.

Made some investments in 2011, sold them for a loss. I filed this on my 2011 taxes, from the 1099-B form. I received an email from etrade that I had a tax document that needed to be read. They are now showing I have an amended 1099-b for the year 2011. I made no trades at all in 2012. What do I do with this new information? I'm using Turbo Tax, btw.

Thank you.
 

mwtgg

Lifer
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Ok, this seems to be the thread to ask this question.

Made some investments in 2011, sold them for a loss. I filed this on my 2011 taxes, from the 1099-B form. I received an email from etrade that I had a tax document that needed to be read. They are now showing I have an amended 1099-b for the year 2011. I made no trades at all in 2012. What do I do with this new information? I'm using Turbo Tax, btw.

Thank you.

What changed on the amended form?
 

acheron

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How much is normal for me to pay an accountant to do our taxes? Not overly complex (two W2 incomes, some minor investment income, and we do itemize, but no business/property income or anything).

Not from like an H&R block type place, but an actual accounting firm. DC area/northern Virginia.

I'm sure there's a large range, but just trying to get an idea.

Basically I got a quote from an accountant and it seemed high to me, so I don't know if I'm just being unrealistic or what. I'll probably call some other places to see what they say, but wanted to see what people here thought too.
 

EagleKeeper

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How much is normal for me to pay an accountant to do our taxes? Not overly complex (two W2 incomes, some minor investment income, and we do itemize, but no business/property income or anything).

Not from like an H&R block type place, but an actual accounting firm. DC area/northern Virginia.

I'm sure there's a large range, but just trying to get an idea.

Basically I got a quote from an accountant and it seemed high to me, so I don't know if I'm just being unrealistic or what. I'll probably call some other places to see what they say, but wanted to see what people here thought too.

From some third hand info, costs wil range from a couple hundred on up.

as stated in a previous post; an accounting firm is only as good as the info that is provided to them.
and guess who provides that information; YOU.

So, hand over a couple of C notes for what you can do yourself with the assistance of a $50 piece of S/W that will do exactly what the firm would do for you.

Ask for personal information needed for the front of the 1040.
Ask for all of your W2s - the S/W or accountant will calculate the total and enter it on Line 7

Ask for all your investment information needed for the proper Schedule B&D
Purchase date/price/amount
Sell Date/price/amount
commissions

Ask for your 1099-B forms for mortgage and taxes
Take income tax info from your W2s
Ask for charity donations
Determine if you have un-reimbursed employment related expenses
Put the above on the Schedule A

Maybe they will ask about student loans/educations
Put that info on the 1040

An accounting firm will enter all that into a program and spit out the tax forms.
Or you can enter all that into a program and spit out the tax forms.

An accountant for personal returns is only as good as the information that is provided to them. They perform no magic with the numbers.
 

EagleKeeper

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Ok, this seems to be the thread to ask this question.

Made some investments in 2011, sold them for a loss. I filed this on my 2011 taxes, from the 1099-B form. I received an email from etrade that I had a tax document that needed to be read. They are now showing I have an amended 1099-b for the year 2011. I made no trades at all in 2012. What do I do with this new information? I'm using Turbo Tax, btw.

Thank you.

One of the stocks I sold changed from a non-covered, to a covered security. I only purchased two stocks, one stayed the same, the other changed.

File an 1040X for the year 2011 and attached the relevant form that shows the changed information.

If you have TT software (not online), it will walk you through the process.
Otherwise, you will have to manually fill out the forms.

All forms will have to be mailed in.
 
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basslover1

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File an 1040X for the year 2011 and attached the relevant form that shows the changed information.

If you have TT software (not online), it will walk you through the process.
Otherwise, you will have to manually fill out the forms.

All forms will have to be mailed in.

Ok thanks. I use turbo tax online so I guess I'll have to fill it out manually. Now, can I still use turbo tax online for 2012 or will I have to do that the old fashioned way as well and mail them in together?
 

Meractik

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Jul 8, 2003
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First off, I would like to say Thank you for all the hard work done each and every year to bring the tax thread to life.

Secondly, I would like to confirm the info I have received regarding a TSP rollover into a Roth IRA.

To my understanding normally Roth IRA accounts are often never required to have taxes paid on them prior to withdrawal of funds (at retirement...)

But given my circumstances the fact that I rolled over a TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) into a Roth IRA account with my existing bank, because the TSP funds are pre-tax the taxes on that amount (the rolled over amount) needs to be paid at the end of the tax year. Correct?

I have been told by a financial family friend that I would need to pay the taxes by indicating the form Ill receive from the TSP in my tax paperwork for this year AND include the total amount of the roll-over in my reported annual income. Sound right?

I am not the most financially savvy individual but I would like to get a second opinion about this matter just to make sure (as I plan on filing myself this year, to save some $) , and I figured what better place to come then here with you experienced people.

Any information you could provide in reference to my questions is most appreciated. Thanks!

nobody? :/
 

EagleKeeper

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Ok thanks. I use turbo tax online so I guess I'll have to fill it out manually. Now, can I still use turbo tax online for 2012 or will I have to do that the old fashioned way as well and mail them in together?

Each year is a separate beast
 

Meractik

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Sorry for the later response. Since you are rolling over pre-taxed money (TSP) to a post-tax savings vehicle (Roth IRA), you will need to pay tax on the rollover amount when you file in the year you made the rollover. Your family friend is correct.

Take a look at page 4 here.

See page 12-16 on IRS publication 721


Thanks for the input, the resources are especially comforting to see! guess I may just trust what he tells me next time... always good to verify.
 

maniacalpha1-1

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If someone received financial aid for college, what year aid goes on what year tax return? For example, aid applied for by January 1, 2011, and paid out in Fall 2011 and Spring 2012 - would that apply to this return? And yes, there was more aid than tuition so some went to room and board.
 

JM Aggie08

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Half of the year I was a dependent under my parents due to being in school. The rest of the year I've been working full-time and have been independent.

How do my parents and I both file without either one of us getting screwed?
 
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