10th Annual Tax Thread - 2012

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CPA

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If someone received financial aid for college, what year aid goes on what year tax return? For example, aid applied for by January 1, 2011, and paid out in Fall 2011 and Spring 2012 - would that apply to this return? And yes, there was more aid than tuition so some went to room and board.

In the year received.
 

CPA

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Half of the year I was a dependent under my parents due to being in school. The rest of the year I've been working full-time and have been independent.

How do my parents and I both file without either one of us getting screwed?

As long as they provided over 50% of the support, then figure out which filing scenario gives the better results and split it. But, ultimately, if they provided over 50%, they could claim you and you wouldn't be able to deny them that option.
 

mwtgg

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Ok thanks. I use turbo tax online so I guess I'll have to fill it out manually. Now, can I still use turbo tax online for 2012 or will I have to do that the old fashioned way as well and mail them in together?

I wouldn't even bother filing an amended return. Nothing is going to change aside from an amount going from one line to another on Schedule D/Form 8949. If the IRS wants to come over you for this small "error", I'd say let them. Nothing material is affected by this amended 1099. However, the choice is yours.
 

CPA

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That would mean Fall 2011 aid would count towards 2011 tax year and Spring 2012 would count for this filing going on right now...I assume.

yep

make sure you include all education related expenses against the aid, even amounts that may not be reported on the 1098-T, like textbooks and fees.
 
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JM Aggie08

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As long as they provided over 50% of the support, then figure out which filing scenario gives the better results and split it. But, ultimately, if they provided over 50%, they could claim you and you wouldn't be able to deny them that option.

Is there a specific monetary value that would deem '50% of support?'

I worked the entire time (not salaried for half of it), and might have made more than them individually for the year.
 

EagleKeeper

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Is there a specific monetary value that would deem '50% of support?'

I worked the entire time (not salaried for half of it), and might have made more than them individually for the year.

1) Did you work for more than 183 days during the year
2) During those days, did your parents provide any type of support to you?

Have you talked to your parents about filing as single.

Usually on a split situation; it is best to look at the impact to the family unit.
You filing as dependant and them claiming you
vs
You as single and them not claiming you and tuition type expenses.

See which ends up best for the sum of the family and go from there.
 

JM Aggie08

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1) Did you work for more than 183 days during the year
2) During those days, did your parents provide any type of support to you?

Have you talked to your parents about filing as single.

Usually on a split situation; it is best to look at the impact to the family unit.
You filing as dependant and them claiming you
vs
You as single and them not claiming you and tuition type expenses.

See which ends up best for the sum of the family and go from there.

There were only a couple of weeks between jobs, so yes, probably closer to 320 or so.

The only support I could think of would be a parent loan that was taken out from the university. Other than that, I payed my own way on everything else.

How severe could the impact be on them if I filed single, and them not have me as a dependant? I realize it's a case by case basis, but I'm unaware of how drastic a difference it could be for them?
 

bignateyk

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Can anyone explain what the ramifications are of using the home office deduction? I have a home office that accounts for 8%, so will get a few thousand dollar deduction for it.

But is it worth it? What does it mean when I go to sell the house? What happens if I take the deduction for 2 years out of 20 years that I live in the house?

Also, with filling out the depreciation part, do I always use the original purchase price of the house? Or do I need to keep adjusting the price every year based on appraised values and last years depreciation, etc...?
 

EagleKeeper

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There were only a couple of weeks between jobs, so yes, probably closer to 320 or so.

The only support I could think of would be a parent loan that was taken out from the university. Other than that, I payed my own way on everything else.

How severe could the impact be on them if I filed single, and them not have me as a dependant? I realize it's a case by case basis, but I'm unaware of how drastic a difference it could be for them?

I am not going to try to guess.

Estimate the difference that 5K of taxable income makes on them vs you.
That is roughly what you are worth unless they have deductions based on you.
 

EagleKeeper

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Can anyone explain what the ramifications are of using the home office deduction? I have a home office that accounts for 8%, so will get a few thousand dollar deduction for it.

But is it worth it? What does it mean when I go to sell the house? What happens if I take the deduction for 2 years out of 20 years that I live in the house?

Also, with filling out the depreciation part, do I always use the original purchase price of the house? Or do I need to keep adjusting the price every year based on appraised values and last years depreciation, etc...?

Home office deduction has no impact on a house sale unless you claim depreciation.

The depreciation is usually calculated based on the percentage of use against the original value of the house (not the land).

In theory, you have to pay back the depreciation that was taken when you sell the property.
 

bignateyk

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Home office deduction has no impact on a house sale unless you claim depreciation.

The depreciation is usually calculated based on the percentage of use against the original value of the house (not the land).

In theory, you have to pay back the depreciation that was taken when you sell the property.

I've been reading that you have to pay capital gains on the depreciation whether you claimed it or not. Either way, it's only like $500 a year that I'm claiming, and it's mostly just a deferred tax, so I'm not too worried about it.
 

mwtgg

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I've been reading that you have to pay capital gains on the depreciation whether you claimed it or not. Either way, it's only like $500 a year that I'm claiming, and it's mostly just a deferred tax, so I'm not too worried about it.

Yeah, deduction is allowed or allowable. Meaning, if you deducted it or not the service will treat it as though you did.

Home office rules are extremely restrictive. Did you use the space in your house for anything not work related? If so, no deduction. The use must be regular and exclusive.
 

rcpratt

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I don't really have much hope for this issue, but thought I'd give it a shot...

My girlfriend, who I live with, is a teacher. She has a significant amount of student loans. In 2012, she subbed part-time in the spring and then took a full-time job in the fall. Her gross income was less than $20k. We (emphasis on we) paid her loans down fairly aggressively in 2012, resulting in about $6,000 worth of student loan interest paid reported on 1098-Es. Because of her relatively low income and the high student loan interest paid, she's getting all of her federal taxes returned.

But...

I'm pretty sure that we're still leaving money on the table, because the amount reported on her 1098-Es is far greater than her federal income tax paid.

Now, my gross income was in the ~80k area. I claim the standard deduction, and, other than a few investment gains, I have very little to report. Is there any tax strategy that is not apparent to me that would allow us to optimize our collective tax returns and not "waste" the high amount of student loan interest paid?
 
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EagleKeeper

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Somehow find someone that will retroactively get the two of you hitched in 2012.

Otherwise; both of you stand alone on income and filings.
 

rcpratt

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As I thought. Thanks EK.

I guess a little more forethought is required in 2013, although her income won't be nearly as low this year.
 

Gunslinger08

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Still waiting to receive my 2008 first time homebuyer tax credit statement so I can repay this year's portion.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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When are stock capital gains taxes due?

If I made a profit in 2012, when does the IRS actually have to recieve the check by in 2013?

I sold the stock in April 2012 after holding the stock since 2008.

Also is there any way I can delay paying them? If so for how long?
 
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CPA

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When are stock capital gains taxes due?

If I made a profit in 2012, when does the IRS actually have to recieve the check by in 2013?

I sold the stock in April 2012 after holding the stock since 2008.

Also is there any way I can delay paying them? If so for how long?

they are due when you file your 1040. You calculate everything on Schedule D. No way to really delay. You can file for an automatic extension, but you still have to pay your estimated taxes. The extension just delays when you have to file your paperwork.
 

Reasonable Doubt

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they are due when you file your 1040. You calculate everything on Schedule D. No way to really delay. You can file for an automatic extension, but you still have to pay your estimated taxes. The extension just delays when you have to file your paperwork.


So basically the money is due to the IRS by April 15th. And I can delay filing until then?
 

dullard

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So basically the money is due to the IRS by April 15th. And I can delay filing until then?
Basically it is due April 15, 2013 and you can delay payment until then. But there is a catch. Many people who have capital gains need to look into paying estimated taxes. Taxes are technically due the quarter in which you earned the gains and you file estimated taxes to pay tax on those gains. So you should have paid these taxes every quarter in 2012 and a final payment by Jan 15, 2013. If this is your first capital gain in a while, then you probably qualify for a waiver of your penality and interest for not paying earlier.
 

CPA

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Basically it is due April 15, 2013 and you can delay payment until then. But there is a catch. Many people who have capital gains need to look into paying estimated taxes. Taxes are technically due the quarter in which you earned the gains and you file estimated taxes to pay tax on those gains. So you should have paid these taxes every quarter in 2012 and a final payment by Jan 15, 2013. If this is your first capital gain in a while, then you probably qualify for a waiver of your penality and interest for not paying earlier.

tis true. thanks for pointing that out. also, if he's paid 90% in taxes over the year compared to what he paid in 2011, he would be safe.
 

bignateyk

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Why is turbotax asking me about energy credits? I thought they got rid of those in 2012? I put a new front door/sidelights in during 2012 and turbotax is telling me I get a $200 credit (since it cost $2000). Is this right?
 

Xonim

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My wife and I bought a house this year, so it will be our first year itemizing deductions. We shouldn't have anything overly complicated due to not having tons of stuff to deduct. My question has to do with state taxes in regards to itemizing deductions on the federal return.

Am I correct in understanding that since we will be itemizing the first time for tax year 2012, that I will be able to deduct state taxes paid in tax year 2012, without reporting the state refund received relevant to tax year 2011? Then next year, because we itemized relevant to tax year 2012, we would have to report both state taxes paid in 2013 as well as any refund received relevant to 2012?

Makes sense in my head, hopefully it gets the point across...

Also, looks like the PMI deduction expired?

Thanks in advance!
 

thestrangebrew1

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I received a 1099g form stating with a dollar amount in one box that states: State Taxes, Refunds or Credits, but in another box it has for year 2011. Looking at the CA state site, a 1099g form is if you've taken SDI, Unemployment, Paid Family Leave. I took PFL in the summer of 2010, other than that, I have not done any type of SDI or UIB. How will this effect my taxes?
 
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