11.6in (sub)notebook options?

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Zap

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Any chance I can you to try an Ubuntu live CD and see what parts work and what doesn't?

If I get a chance. Gonna be pretty busy in the next week and then I'm going to visit family for 10 days. If you don't hear my results within a few weeks, ask me again.

I just wish I could find B&M places that actually sold 11.6in-12.1in machines. Everything at Best Buy is 14in, 15.6, or 17.3in. Or 10.1in netbooks. Same with every other place I looked up.

I hear ya. I always look at the notebooks at my local Sam's Club and there's always several 10" netbooks, then a couple 14" and mostly 15.6". I love the 11.6"/12.1" size, now that I've lived with one as my only computer for almost 3 weeks.
 

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I'm also on the lookout for an 11.6" to replace my 10", early model eee pc. Im really seriously considering the 1830t due to the battery life and decent features. I cant go with a regular netbook like the 1000h again. I want a little more power, screen real estate and battery life.

The 1830 with an i3, and the 1810 with the older dual core cpu both, from customer reviews, seem to be capable of 6 hours of battery life or then some...that would double what my netbook gives me now

the x100 looks interested but doesnt seem like it can get the 6 hours of battery life, which id really, really like to have
 

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IIRC, the 1810T (SU7300) & TZ (SU4100) will both outlast the Core i3 & i5 1830s on battery runtime, all other things being equal. If you're looking for maximum runtime, I'd definitely get one of the 1410 or 1810 models...if you need an additional GPU & CPU boost, then the TimeLineX models definitely offer it. I replaced an EEE 1000HE with my 1810T, by the way.

Another possibility for you, xSauronx (not so much for the OP) at the same pricepoint of the 1830T, would be the base config of the Alienware m11x for ~$800 (or less when on sale or with a coupon). Sure, it's got a fixed battery and is chunkier than the models mentioned above, but you can overclock the CPU, it has an amazing GPU, and an awesome backlit keyboard and better port selection. You'd have an SU7300 instead of a Core i3 or i5 but you'd get so much more gaming power in the process. Only things you give up other than slimmer size & less weight on the Acers are no Gigabit Ethernet port and no external battery on the m11x.
 

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well, being a college student, im on a budget. the m11x is definitely out of my range; i want to stick to about $600

ive considered a couple of machines...the lenovo x100e is interesting, but id like hdmi out, and given that and lesser cpu power and battery life...ill likely pass

the 1830t is cheaper than the 1810t and has a webcam. if i dont get a webcam on a laptop, i have to buy a webcam...which is again, more money. the 1830t should give me plenty of battery life at 6+ hrs of moderate web browsing (per user reviews), and meets my other needs/wants pretty well.
 
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I was going to get the Acer 1551, but I decided on the Alienware:


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224-8847 1 Alienware M11x, Soft Touch Stealth Black
313-9773 1 Overclockable Intel Core i5 520UM (3M Cache, 1.866 GHz Max Turbo Frequency)
317-4705 1 2GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 800MHz
330-9945 1 Alienware M11x 90W A/C Adapter
320-1467 1 11.6-inch WideHD 1366x768 (720p) WLED, no WWAN Antenna
320-9857 1 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M
342-1321 1 160GB SATAII 5,400RPM
330-9552 1 Personalized Nameplate
330-6106 1 Personalized Nameplate Trigger
313-8792 1 AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue
421-3095 1 Alienware Command Center Software, M11x
421-1400 1 Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
420-9691 1 DataSafe Local BackUp
420-6436 1 PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
421-0092 1 DELL-DOWNLOAD-FLAG
313-9856 1 Integrated 10/100 Network Interface Card
410-1883 1 Adobe Acrobat Reader 9.0 Multi-Language
313-9958 1 Integrated High-Definition Surround Sound Audio (5.1)
430-3796 1 Alienware M11x a/b/g/n 2x2 MIMO Wireless
330-6348 1 Automatic Updates: On
330-8995 1 1.3 Megapixel Webcam
922-2597 1 Dell Hardware Warranty Plus On-Site Service, Initial Year
929-5570 1 Third Party At Home Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
950-3337 1 1 Year Limited Warranty
950-9797 1 No Warranty, Year 2 and 3
421-1721 1 Soft Contracts,Banktec Care,Alienware
994-3730 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
430-3773 1 No Internal WWAN Antenna Installed
421-1573 1 Alienhead 3D
421-1591 1 Alienhead 3D
421-1360 1 Steam and Portal Factory Installed
330-5090 1 Thank You for Purchasing AlienWare
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Subtotal: $804.10
Shipping and Handling: $0.00

Sales Tax: $48.25
Total: $852.35

I'll upgrade the RAM and get a Seagate Momentus XT when she comes in.
 

Bateluer

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I was going to get the Acer 1551, but I decided on the Alienware:


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Sales Tax: $48.25
Total: $852.35

I'll upgrade the RAM and get a Seagate Momentus XT when she comes in.

Nuts to that. Way too pricey.

Was looking at the Toshiba T215D model, its an 11.6in AMD Nile K325 based machine, after reading Anandtech's write up on its 13.3in brother. Seems like a decent machine, though I'm not crazy about the styling. Of course, I also read the write up on Bobcat and Ontario shortly after that and now I'm wanting that. Obviously, the current Nile and Radeon IGPs aren't really gaming machines, but it'd be nice to be able to play some RTSs on it. SC2 looks to be out, but I'm guessing older RTS/RPGs would be just fine on them.
 
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It's worth the money if you want to stay at 12" and below. Even though 13" opens up a new realm of possibilities, it's just not as portable. I was using my MSI Wind U230 on an airplane trip a couple months back, and I knew then that 12" was the absolute max for portability for me. As often as I upgrade, I'm betting the Alienware will hold it's value better than the other brands.
 

xSauronx

Lifer
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It's worth the money if you want to stay at 12" and below. Even though 13" opens up a new realm of possibilities, it's just not as portable. I was using my MSI Wind U230 on an airplane trip a couple months back, and I knew then that 12" was the absolute max for portability for me. As often as I upgrade, I'm betting the Alienware will hold it's value better than the other brands.

yeah, honestly id start looking at 13" models if i had the money but 12 and under is a nice spot for portability if you need to work, but not all the time. thats why i got/kept the eee so long.
 

fleshconsumed

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I'm just curious, why would new i3 ULV laptops have lower battery life compared to previous generation SU7300 ones? The new tech is supposed to be 32nm and have everything integrated on a single chip including memory controller and video. It should consume less energy, so why would new laptops last less? Are they putting smaller batteries in new laptops (I'm talking about Acer 1830 vs 1810 and Asus UL20A vs UL20FT) or do the new i3 ULV chips really require that much more energy?
 

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Obviously, the current Nile and Radeon IGPs aren't really gaming machines, but it'd be nice to be able to play some RTSs on it. SC2 looks to be out, but I'm guessing older RTS/RPGs would be just fine on them.

Nonsense, Read the article, SC2 plays very well on the Toshiba, better even than on a Nvidia 9400. I can also testify that it runs very well on my Congo platform Wind U230. My only complaint about SC2 on it is that with the tiny touchpad that you get on a 12" subnotebook it's tough to be competitive, so you really need to bring a mouse.
 
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Nonsense, Read the article, SC2 plays very well on the Toshiba, better even than on a Nvidia 9400. I can also testify that it runs very well on my Congo platform Wind U230. My only complaint about SC2 on it is that with the tiny touchpad that you get on a 12" subnotebook it's tough to be competitive, so you really need to bring a mouse.

Playing single-player mod of BF2142 was unbearable on my MSI Wind U230. I believe it was a combination of the CPU loading because of bots as well as the video requirements. I'll let you all know how it runs when I get my MX11R2.
 

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Playing single-player mod of BF2142 was unbearable on my MSI Wind U230. I believe it was a combination of the CPU loading because of bots as well as the video requirements. I'll let you all know how it runs when I get my MX11R2.

I wish you knew if it was a CPU or GPU bottleneck. I've never been able to figure out how to OC the CPU (I imagine it would run to 2ghz easily if the HT link is stable that high) but the GPU on the U230 is easy as pie to OC to 700mhz, did you do that before playing BF2142? (admittedly it's not a game i have any experience in)
 
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I wish you knew if it was a CPU or GPU bottleneck. I've never been able to figure out how to OC the CPU (I imagine it would run to 2ghz easily if the HT link is stable that high) but the GPU on the U230 is easy as pie to OC to 700mhz, did you do that before playing BF2142? (admittedly it's not a game i have any experience in)

Yep, GPU overclocked to 650 Mhz and running dual channel memory config.
 

xSauronx

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ordered the 1830t today, should have it in thursday

almost got the toshiba i posted a thread on...but its a little larger than what i want to carry and taxes brought it to almost 540 for me
/is gonna have a netbook to sell
 

Bateluer

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ordered the 1830t today, should have it in thursday

almost got the toshiba i posted a thread on...but its a little larger than what i want to carry and taxes brought it to almost 540 for me
/is gonna have a netbook to sell

Post your opinions of the keyboard. The 1830 models are a little too pricey for my blood, but I am eyeing the 11.6in K325 powered Toshia T215D model. Black.


Nonsense, Read the article, SC2 plays very well on the Toshiba, better even than on a Nvidia 9400. I can also testify that it runs very well on my Congo platform Wind U230. My only complaint about SC2 on it is that with the tiny touchpad that you get on a 12" subnotebook it's tough to be competitive, so you really need to bring a mouse.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3862/toshiba-t235d-amd-2010-ultrathin/5

35 fps on low detail setting, and thats with a K625 CPU vs the K325 CPU in the model I'm looking at. That may be playable, but I'm not exactly going to set it on low details. How fast does that number drop when you notch the details?
 
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maniac5999

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35 fps on low detail setting, and thats with a K625 CPU vs the K325 CPU in the model I'm looking at. That may be playable, but I'm not exactly going to set it on low details. How fast does that number drop when you notch the details?

It drops unacceptably. by all accounts the L335 is trading blows with the K325 CPU wise, and even if the 42XX shaders are better than the 3200 shaders, I have my 3200 at 700mhz, and I get 35-40fps on low, and drop to 10 on medium. By all accounts this is normal in SC2, as the jump in graphics quality from low to medium is quite large. (more noticeable than the jump from medium to Ultra IMO)
 

Bateluer

Lifer
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It drops unacceptably. by all accounts the L335 is trading blows with the K325 CPU wise, and even if the 42XX shaders are better than the 3200 shaders, I have my 3200 at 700mhz, and I get 35-40fps on low, and drop to 10 on medium. By all accounts this is normal in SC2, as the jump in graphics quality from low to medium is quite large. (more noticeable than the jump from medium to Ultra IMO)

Hmm. On a positive note, with these machines costing ~500 USD, it won't exactly be a painful thing to buy an Ontario/Bobcat based machine in 6-8 months.
 

Zap

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I'm just curious, why would new i3 ULV laptops have lower battery life compared to previous generation SU7300 ones? The new tech is supposed to be 32nm and have everything integrated on a single chip including memory controller and video. It should consume less energy, so why would new laptops last less? Are they putting smaller batteries in new laptops (I'm talking about Acer 1830 vs 1810 and Asus UL20A vs UL20FT) or do the new i3 ULV chips really require that much more energy?

Sometimes they put in lower capacity batteries. Also, some thin/light notebooks do not actually use ULV versions of the chips, such as some of the TimelineX models.
 

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Sometimes they put in lower capacity batteries. Also, some thin/light notebooks do not actually use ULV versions of the chips, such as some of the TimelineX models.
this is the case with the 1830t that i ordered, i believe.
the i3 model gets less battery time than the 1810t model, which has a culv chip.
 

fleshconsumed

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Sometimes they put in lower capacity batteries. Also, some thin/light notebooks do not actually use ULV versions of the chips, such as some of the TimelineX models.

As far as I know Asus UL20FT uses i3-330UM and Acer 1830 uses i5-520UM, both are UM models which AFAIK is designation for ULV models. So both should get at least the same battery life as previous gen. Or am I mistaken about UM chips being ULV?
 
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As far as I know Asus UL20FT uses i3-330UM and Acer 1830 uses i5-520UM, both are UM models which AFAIK is designation for ULV models. So both should get at least the same battery life as previous gen. Or am I mistaken about UM chips being ULV?

The UM chips are the ULV models. They have a TDP of 18W compared with 35W for the "M" chips.

(do remember that the TDP is higher than the Core 2 series, but the Core i series incorporates the memory controller and graphics controller into the processor, thus a lower TDP overall for the platform)
 

Zap

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Acer Aspire AS1551-5448

Hey, one of Anandtech's recent notebook reviews was on this platform, and gave a shoutout to this unit in the conclusion:

Toshiba T235D : AMD's 2010 Ultrathin "Nile" Platform
After going through all the benchmarks, features, etc. we come to the final tally, and for once we have an AMD laptop that we can recommend without hesitation. You're not going to have a great gaming experience on the T235D, but for everything else it works well and the price is right.
...
Perhaps the most interesting alternative is the Acer Aspire AS1551-5448, which sports similar specs to the T235D but with an 11.6" chassis. We hope to get one of those for review in the near future, although it looks like the keyboard carries over from the other 11.6" Acer laptops we've looked at in the past—in other words, not our favorite keyboard.
 

xSauronx

Lifer
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got the 1830t in today, typing this post on it, as a matter of fact.

this is the core i3 version, 1.2ghz. its not blazing fast but its definitely peppy enough keep me happy, coming from an eee 1000h with an atom cpu

the laptop is very thin and light, thinner and lighter than the eee i have for sure, and i love that.

the keyboard is....not bad, but the keys are really god damn big compared to anything else i use (even my wireless logitech keyboard). at first i wasnt wild about it, but i type on it quite well, the only thing bothering me is that it feels weird. maybe a little cheap, but mostly...with the keys being so large, you almost never feel the end of one key and the beginning of another.

this doesnt bother me while typing, im typing fine. but if i just go to hunt a key or a shortcut combination its throwing me off a little bit

i do have to say i like the touchpad on the eee better, this one isnt bad, and i may just need to adjust some settings or something and get used to it...the eee has a very nice, smooth sensitive touchpad that i love. this one has a little texture to it, which i dont care for but maybe ill adjust after a little time with it.
 

AnitaPeterson

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For what it's worth, I got an Acer AS1410, and I absolutely love it.
It's on par with my office desktop PC, in terms of power (!)

My processor is CULV, and the video is only a measly Intel GMA 4500MHD, but it can play 720p and 1080p flawlessly, and it does light to moderate gaming...

I saw a similar machine equiped with AMD Athlon II Neo CPUs and ATI Radeon HD 4225 for CAD$399 at my local Costco. That videocard alone should run rings around the GMA 4500, and the reviews I've seen indicate that typical battery life is somewhere between 4 and 5 hours.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5734
 
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