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[Stojakapimp]

Why don't you just sleep at work?
That's what I do.

 

[slycat]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Vic
4) Garet Jax does not read threads before posting.

Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

Also, there are two sides to every story. We have only heard one of them....

My boss made it EXPLICITLY clear in the beginning that sick days were to be used ONLY if I'm "really sick." And she called me at home the last two times I used them to make sure a) I was really sick, and b) I sounded sick.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
It seems like I am in the minority here.

But with so many qualified people out of work, going above and beyone is no longer the exception. It is now the norm.

In addition, I have used the adage a number of times for myself, but it is appropriate here:

"If you're old enough to play, then you're old enough to pay."

You should have at least gone to work to make sure you weren't needed before going home. If the circumstances were beyond your control (like food poisoning), then calling in on the day is acceptable. However, phoning in too tired because you were partying is very weak and shows where you prioritize your job.

If I had someone phone into work with the same reason you gave, I may not have fired them, but they would have heard a couple of things from me when they did decide to come in.

It shouldn't take 12½ hours to get from Vegas to LA. Dezign talked about an accident and I imagine that added 5 hours to the drive or something. If she was flying back and her flight was delayed 5 hours you wouldn't think it was her fault, would you? When crap like that happens there's only so much you can do.

Nope, and you suck it up and spend a little vacation time. It's your responsibility, not the companies.

Ahhh, no. Sick leave is for "dehabilitating conditions which would grossly impede work performance or would have a detrimental effect up on others." Vacation time is for taking leave from work for personal time, usually pre-planned. An accident or a plane delay is not planned, and since you got home so late it basically made you sick for a day. It was out of your control; you shouldn't be penalized for it.

Why should the company be penalized for my decision?
I missed a day for a similar reason back when I was in the AF ... my CO would've laughed his ass off if I had tried to take a sick day for it.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Why should the company be penalized for my decision?
I missed a day for a similar reason back when I was in the AF ... my CO would've laughed his ass off if I had tried to take a sick day for it.

They aren't being penalized. You have sick days set aside for you in case you become ill or otherwise dehabilitated and can't make it to work. You can't use extra sick days and they won't let you carry them over to the next year. The only real difference is that you're using one sick day now instead of sometime down the road.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Vic
4) Garet Jax does not read threads before posting.

Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

Also, there are two sides to every story. We have only heard one of them....

My boss made it EXPLICITLY clear in the beginning that sick days were to be used ONLY if I'm "really sick." And she called me at home the last two times I used them to make sure a) I was really sick, and b) I sounded sick.

Did you read my question? Let me help a little...

Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

This tells us what her boss expects sick days to be used for, but does not describe why her boss calls her at home.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

Also, there are two sides to every story. We have only heard one of them....

Well, you don't expect her boss to post here, do you? So we are NEVER going to hear the other side of the story.

What Dezign did say is that she had a day of personal leave available to her, plus plenty of extra sick days because she said that she rarely calls in sick. This may be news to you, but unless it is being done by design for the purposes of extracting maximum work for minimum pay (but always at the expense of high turnover), good managers are not slave drivers. High numbers don't come from demoralized workers. People are human and sh!t happens. She couldn't make it, she called in, it was an isolated instance, she has the available leave time. While as a manager, I might have been disappointed, I would not have made a production out of the circumstance. Maybe a brief talk in the AM to make sure that the story fit and an admonition against a repeat occurrence. That should have been all.
Do you know what it means when a manager spends all their time managing? It means they're incompetent.

editted for minor typos

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Jzero

You should have at least gone to work to make sure you weren't needed before going home. If the circumstances were beyond your control (like food poisoning), then calling in on the day is acceptable. However, phoning in too tired because you were partying is very weak and shows where you prioritize your job.

If I had someone phone into work with the same reason you gave, I may not have fired them, but they would have heard a couple of things from me when they did decide to come in.

So instead they just lie and say they are sick. You're not accomplishing anything by doing that.

Umm, No.

Instead, they take more responsiblity and make sure if they go to Vegas, they leave at 3:00pm rather than 6:30pm to beat the traffic home so they are bright eyed and bushy tailed for work the next day.

Keep right on believing that. Your employee will tell you that he got some bad crab legs at the Thai buffet and is crapping his colon out becuase he learned early on that he can't tell you the truth. All you gain with such a policy is an atmosphere where your employees don't tell you the truth because you'll bitch them out if you don't like it.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: pyonir
You should have called in sick...not tired.

unless she has personal days in which case you can call in saying your staying in to **** and it would be legit.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Vic
4) Garet Jax does not read threads before posting.

Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

Also, there are two sides to every story. We have only heard one of them....

My boss made it EXPLICITLY clear in the beginning that sick days were to be used ONLY if I'm "really sick." And she called me at home the last two times I used them to make sure a) I was really sick, and b) I sounded sick.

Did you read my question? Let me help a little...

Please show me where Dezign gives us the history between she and her boss to describe why her boss calls her at home on sick days.

This tells us what her boss expects sick days to be used for, but does not describe why her boss calls her at home.

Because she's a bitch. There's no other reason a boss would call an employee at home to make sure they are sick, so it must be because she's a bitch.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Why should the company be penalized for my decision?
I missed a day for a similar reason back when I was in the AF ... my CO would've laughed his ass off if I had tried to take a sick day for it.

They aren't being penalized. You have sick days set aside for you in case you become ill or otherwise dehabilitated and can't make it to work. You can't use extra sick days and they won't let you carry them over to the next year. The only real difference is that you're using one sick day now instead of sometime down the road.

Try this on ... I get 2 weeks sick leave a year ... so I could go out and get hammered roughly once a month, and then take sick leave the next day because I'm to hungover ... I am definitely possessed of a "dehabilitating conditions which would grossly impede work performance" How long do you think that would last?

If you're sick ... fine ... but, to my own sense of ethics at least, passing the consequences of my decisions off on the company as sick time isn't right. And my view seems to be shared by alot of bosses I've had ... YMMV

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Why should the company be penalized for my decision?
I missed a day for a similar reason back when I was in the AF ... my CO would've laughed his ass off if I had tried to take a sick day for it.

They aren't being penalized. You have sick days set aside for you in case you become ill or otherwise dehabilitated and can't make it to work. You can't use extra sick days and they won't let you carry them over to the next year. The only real difference is that you're using one sick day now instead of sometime down the road.

Try this on ... I get 2 weeks sick leave a year ... so I could go out and get hammered roughly once a month, and then take sick leave the next day because I'm to hungover ... I am definitely possessed of a "dehabilitating conditions which would grossly impede work performance" How long do you think that would last?

If you're sick ... fine ... but, to my own sense of ethics at least, passing the consequences of my decisions off on the company as sick time isn't right. And my view seems to be shared by alot of bosses I've had ... YMMV

That's why I'm glad my company has no sick/vacation time. It's "Paid Leave." Sick? Personal? Vacation? It's all the same. Sure, if you take too many unplanned days off, you will get a warning from your boss. But as long as you are getting your work done and done well, "I didn't feel like coming in today" is a perfectly valid excuse.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Meeting in 20 minutes and counting. I came back to read through the thread for more tips/advance, and there are some good ones...

I'll make this quick... and Garet Jax, you have a very valid point. I suppose my only answer to that is that I started work on a strange note. From the beginning, everyone treated me like a kid... I was fresh out of college, 22 years old, and all of my coworkers are 30+. Everyone would tease me about being so young, and the atmosphere in our division is casual yet professional. I would joke around about silly/immature things in the beginning (I talked to people about breakdancing, which probably didn't cast me in the most professional light), but I always got my work done. ALWAYS. I helped my group make our numbers last year, and we were the only group in our division who did.

My boss has never really treated me like an adult... from the beginning, she treated me like a child. I know she doesn't respect me, and part of this is my fault... I've always let her intimidate me, and have been afraid to stand up for myself. This is one lesson I'll take with me come future jobs/career... assert myself early, instead of becoming the office pushover.

I believe my boss called me at home to make sure I was home when I called in sick just because. She doesn't do that to my coworker... just me. I can't make heads or tails of it except for what I just explained above.

At this point, it's too late to earn her respect... she always has and I believe always will treat me like a little kid, no matter what I do to try and change that. When I took it upon myself to spend extra (unpaid) time coming up with a new marketing powerpoint for our division (which she would take with her on business trips), she basically pat me on the head and told me "good job." I stayed until 10pm every day for an entire week working on that Powerpoint... and she uses it now, but didn't give me any formal recognition for it. I did it because I wanted to (our old Powerpoint really sucked), not because I wanted to kiss ass... but it was a little disheartening putting in all that work and not really taken seriously.

15 more minutes...

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

get a lawyer and sue her if she fires you... unless you are a habitually bad worker then no

 

[rocadelpunk]

good luck! You know...you could mess with your boss' computer while they're out for lunch : D.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Why should the company be penalized for my decision?
I missed a day for a similar reason back when I was in the AF ... my CO would've laughed his ass off if I had tried to take a sick day for it.

They aren't being penalized. You have sick days set aside for you in case you become ill or otherwise dehabilitated and can't make it to work. You can't use extra sick days and they won't let you carry them over to the next year. The only real difference is that you're using one sick day now instead of sometime down the road.

Try this on ... I get 2 weeks sick leave a year ... so I could go out and get hammered roughly once a month, and then take sick leave the next day because I'm to hungover ... I am definitely possessed of a "dehabilitating conditions which would grossly impede work performance" How long do you think that would last?

If you're sick ... fine ... but, to my own sense of ethics at least, passing the consequences of my decisions off on the company as sick time isn't right. And my view seems to be shared by alot of bosses I've had ... YMMV

The consequences of your actions would be if you decided to take a flight you knew would get you back at 6:30 am. If you thought it would get you back at 11:00 pm that's hardly a consequence of your actions, and is in fact the fault of whoever delayed the flight. If you order some fish at a restaurant and the cook doesn't grill it fully, giving you food poisoning, it isn't your fault you're crapping yourself to death in the bathroom all day because you decided to order fish instead of steak.

 

[HiTek21]

at my job if you're late (w/o calling) or fail to show up all they do is give you a Disciplinary Warning (Write up) if you get 3 or more they will terminate you. Probably won't fire you for your first offence just give you a warning

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: HiTek21
at my job if you're late (w/o calling) or fail to show up all they do is give you a Disciplinary Warning (Write up) if you get 3 or more they will terminate you. Probably won't fire you for your first offence just give you a warning

She called in.

Dezign, good luck!

 

[Shortcut]

Keep your chin up, and be assertive (but not rude). Remember: you're the expert on why you weren't able to go to work that day, not her.

Good luck. If worse comes to worse; your boss isn't the only game in town...there are better out there.

 

[richardycc]

I think your boss and co-worker were just jealous that you were going to vegas for the weekend, take my advice, dont let your boss or any co-workers close to your boss know what you are doing in your personal life.

 

[Mill]

Let me tell you one thing I have learned about age issues... I deal with something every day that would have most people ticked off constantly. I have someone who has always looked down on me because of my age. One day I finally explained to her in a nice way that I wasn't a moron, and don't need someone telling me how to manage my money or my life. She was offended at first, but I explained we would have a much better business relationship if she realized she worked for me, and that I don't need advice on how to run my life. Since then things are great and we have an understanding now. I am sugary and nice with her, and she doesn't attempt to tell me things I already know.

Might not always work, but sometimes you just get frustrated and do something. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Now I realize you can't necessarily do what I said, but I do understand your frustration. One thing you might do(if you don't get fired) is to talk to her after things cool down. Explain to her that YES you are young, but you also pull your load at work and can manage your life. Ask her to treat you like she treats everyone else. If nothing changes then I would give my notice and leave the company.

 

[dnhcaputo1]

Wow, I would think you'd be more worried about her finding out how much time you spend on this forum, when you are supposed to be working. You had better hope that she doesn't have webtracker or a monitoring system in place where you work. Good luck though.

 

[weezergirl]

I don't know if I could work for somebody like that. She is WAY overboard on the analness. A lot of people at my work treat me like a kid, mainly because I totally look like a kid (young asian girl syndrome ) but just in a joking way. When it comes to working, I pull my end, and they respect that. I wouldn't stand it otherwise.

And the whole calling you at home while you are sick, that is just absurd. I really hope you find a better job...nobody should have to work under those conditions. Anyways, dont' be scared. YOu did NOTHING wrong. You should only hope that she will fire you....nice lawsuit! as for advice on this meeting you will have with her, just act normal, and dont' admit you did anything wrong. Being too tired, is a perfectly legit excuse to call in sick under the circumstances.

 

[TheNinja]

5 minutes......my guess is Dezign is over reacting and the meeting probably has nothing to do with her missing yesterday.

 

[waggy]

lets see. you went to Vages (great fun but waste of money) and got back right before you were supposed to be at work. So you call in "Tired".

Now why the company should be punished because you wanted to go have fun? IT is not the company?s problem that it took longer to get back. the reason she is ticked off is because she needs you at work.

now calling you at work leeds me to believe that maybe you have had previous problems. From the reason you called in sick i have to believe it. Not to mention you are supposed to be working but wasting time on the forum!

But as others have said have HR person there.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Jzero
That's why I'm glad my company has no sick/vacation time. It's "Paid Leave." Sick? Personal? Vacation? It's all the same. Sure, if you take too many unplanned days off, you will get a warning from your boss. But as long as you are getting your work done and done well, "I didn't feel like coming in today" is a perfectly valid excuse.

Yup, I worked for a company that did things that way ... was OK because I very rarely get sick, but their total "paid leave" was < the vacation + sick leave I could've expected at other companies. In fact, from what the old timers told me, they used to have it seperate, but then rolled it into one leave pool ... existing employees kept their current combined levels, but new hires came in at the previous vacation only level.

At my current job, I definitely prefer 5 weeks/year of paid leave instead of 3 vacation & 2 sick ... but it sure beats 3 weeks "paid leave".