12 killed, 59 hurt in shooting after The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Denver

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Fayd

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Quit making up shit. You've been doing it this entire thread. It does NOT take 30-60 seconds to be able to see other people in the theater.

no, it doesn't.

in fact, you should be able to see just fine in a theater by diffused light. a theater screen is not backlit..
 

allisolm

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Articles say the shooter was in a PhD program in neuroscience. Hard to imagine what could have set someone like that off. So sad for all the victims.

edit: Press conference police spokesman says 71 were shot and police were there within 90 seconds of 911 calls.
Gunman had an AR-15, a shotgun and a Glock handgun in the theater.
 
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Icepick

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I've played paintball in a very dark building (lit incredibly dimly for the effect) - probably darker than a typical movie theater with the movie playing. I never shot a team mate. And, I didn't have the advantage of seeing the flash to know exactly where the shots were coming from. How many seconds do you think it takes for a couple of tear gas bombs to make it that difficult to see clearly in a large theater? I'm going to guess more than 5 or 6, unless you're fairly close to them. Some of you are letting your imaginations go a little too wild with how smokey it would have been in there when the shooting first started. Quite frankly, if there was a CCW in the first 2 or 3 rows, the guy was toast. Apparently, the gunman could see just fine - he shot 50 people.

edit: Come on, seriously? When you're watching a movie, you can't turn around and see other people in the theater? I think you have pretty bad eyes.

I'm willing to bet that the CCW holders in the audience went into "duck and cover" mode. Anyone armed only with a pistol would be badly outgunned by a crazy who was pointing an AK-47 and shotgun at them. Anyone with experience with pistols knows how difficult it can be to hit a target at a distance. To say that this would have ended any differently if an audience member had been armed is naive at best.
 

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You do realize that your paintball/darkly lit building is completely different than a packed movie theater, right? When you were playing paintball, you were focused on shooting the enemy. I highly doubt anyone's attention would be anything other than the movie or talking with friends/family. The guy had the element of surprise. And it's packed with innocent civilians.

So, now you've switched from the issue of lighting and smoke back to element of surprise. I'll simply point to the old guy who shot the two robbers earlier this week. Do you think he was anticipating the robbery? Or was he caught off guard? I'm not sure how you can carry out every day activities if something completely unexpected stops you in your tracks for even 3 seconds. How many seconds was it again before that *old* man reacted and had his gun out?? As I said, if you were in the first few rows of the theater, how the hell wouldn't you see a guy run in? How wouldn't you notice him throwing the tear gas - your reacting starts right then. There's way more than enough time to squeeze of a few shots before the tear gas gets to you, unless he through the first canister right in your lap.
 

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Maybe you misunderstood me. I am a military police officer in the Army. You know, like the ones that saved lives at Fort Hood three years ago? So, I'm about as far from anti-vet as someone can be, because I am one.

I will kindly accept your apology now.

I was merely pointing out the likelihood that this guy is former military based on his tactics, the proximity to Fort Carson, and the license plate disparity. Those are all strong indicators of military affiliation.

Yeah, I like to flash bang or smoke grenade a room before I rush in when I play Call of Duty and Counterstrike also. Does that make me military? And please don't associate yourself with the officers at Fort Hood if you have nothing to do with the actual event. Fucking armchair generals, I swear...
 

Phokus

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So, now you've switched from the issue of lighting and smoke back to element of surprise. I'll simply point to the old guy who shot the two robbers earlier this week. Do you think he was anticipating the robbery? Or was he caught off guard? I'm not sure how you can carry out every day activities if something completely unexpected stops you in your tracks for even 3 seconds. How many seconds was it again before that *old* man reacted and had his gun out?? As I said, if you were in the first few rows of the theater, how the hell wouldn't you see a guy run in? How wouldn't you notice him throwing the tear gas - your reacting starts right then. There's way more than enough time to squeeze of a few shots before the tear gas gets to you, unless he through the first canister right in your lap.

Are you shitting me? Again, there were TWO tear gas cannisters and i THINK a movie theater is a BIT more packed than the incident you're referring to.

In fact, you should probably read pelov's post here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33716651&postcount=313

It's really batshit crazy to compare your paintball adventures to a perfect planned mass shooting spree on a group of unsuspecting victims packed tightly together.
 

pelov

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no, it doesn't.

in fact, you should be able to see just fine in a theater by diffused light. a theater screen is not backlit..

Contrast matters here. From light to dark, dark to light.

How to reduce eye strain: What is the best way for cinema audiences to avoid eye strain?

To many people the cinema (or movies) is the only form of recreation and relaxation. By itself it is quite harmless and as long as a few rules are followed there seems no reason why this exciting medium should not be enjoyed by all.

Naturally, it is better not to sit too close to the screen simply because the brilliance and glare is not in our control.

The best seats are those in the middle rows of the auditorium. The side seats however tend to distort the perspective of the picture and tend to strain the eye.

Please blink more often while watching a movie. Staring will cause strain. Intermittently, let your eyes rove over the hall, changing focus from the screen to the exit doors to the viewer in front of you. This technique of varying focus will lead to comfortable eyes.

Though the human eye has the ability to withstand and adapt itself to changes in light intensity, excessive changes will result in strain and headaches. To give a classic example: the matinee movie finishes and from a pitch-dark auditorium the eyes are suddently transported to bright sunlight with hardly a pause. The eye tries its best but the sudden exposure leads to pain and headache.

The theatre lobby was originally conceived of as a place where the person may come in from the bright daylight and let his eyes partially adapt to the lower intensity of the light, before entering the theatre auditorium, the same system being followed in reverse when going out. However, nowadays the crowd sweeps in and out. Going in from bright light only causes you to stumble over a few legs, while you take time to adapt to the darkness, and is quite harmless to the eye. Unfortunately the reverse is not true—from the dark to bright sunlight. I can only urge all cinema viewers to wait a while in the lobby for five minutes before going out into the open. After all, if you could sit for 90 minutes and watch the movie, surely 5 minutes more is not of importance.

It won't make you completely blind, but it hampers your eyesight. If you hand someone a gun, you'd bet your ass I'd rather it be someone who wasn't under such conditions.


I saw Brave this last weekend with my five year old. I had no problem looking across the theater to glare at a woman (as did half the theater) when her cell phone rang. She was not sitting very near me at all. I think some of you are letting your politics push what you want to believe a little too much.


And you follow it up with this


You're right. It's a good thing no one was near him with a gun, people could have gotten hurt. Oh, wait...



There's way more than enough time to squeeze of a few shots before the tear gas gets to you, unless he through the first canister right in your lap.

Two cannisters, one in the front one in the back. Had a person with a gun been in the front it would have been a few seconds.

For those that don't think the CS gas is bad, here's a picture



A single inhalation is all it takes to clog up your airways with fluid and you're crying like a little girl.



I've played paintball in a very dark building (lit incredibly dimly for the effect) - probably darker than a typical movie theater with the movie playing. I never shot a team mate. And, I didn't have the advantage of seeing the flash to know exactly where the shots were coming from.

Quit making up shit. You've been doing it this entire thread.

 

Anonemous

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I'm willing to bet that the CCW holders in the audience went into "duck and cover" mode. Anyone armed only with a pistol would be badly outgunned by a crazy who was pointing an AK-47 and shotgun at them. Anyone with experience with pistols knows how difficult it can be to hit a target at a distance. To say that this would have ended any differently if an audience member had been armed is naive at best.

Yea and the dude had Body Armor and was not affected by the Tear Gas.
 

techs

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The crazies are beginning to chime in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099.html

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.

"People say ... where was God in all of this?" Gohmert said. "We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."
 

Fritzo

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Yeah, I like to flash bang or smoke grenade a room before I rush in when I play Call of Duty and Counterstrike also. Does that make me military? And please don't associate yourself with the officers at Fort Hood if you have nothing to do with the actual event. Fucking armchair generals, I swear...

Yeah...seems we have two types here. The "if I were there I'd have scored a headshot" crowd, and the "I play FPS games on my Xbox and therefore am a tactical expert." Crowd.
 

Phokus

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The crazies are beginning to chime in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099.html

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.

"People say ... where was God in all of this?" Gohmert said. "We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

Republicans.txt
 

SlowSpyder

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The crazies are beginning to chime in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099.html

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.

"People say ... where was God in all of this?" Gohmert said. "We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."


That guy sounds like a real asshole.
 

JimKiler

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So, now you've switched from the issue of lighting and smoke back to element of surprise. I'll simply point to the old guy who shot the two robbers earlier this week. Do you think he was anticipating the robbery? Or was he caught off guard? I'm not sure how you can carry out every day activities if something completely unexpected stops you in your tracks for even 3 seconds. How many seconds was it again before that *old* man reacted and had his gun out?? As I said, if you were in the first few rows of the theater, how the hell wouldn't you see a guy run in? How wouldn't you notice him throwing the tear gas - your reacting starts right then. There's way more than enough time to squeeze of a few shots before the tear gas gets to you, unless he through the first canister right in your lap.

You would have to know he is carrying weapons before shooting. Even if I had a gun i would not open fire because of some tear gas, it could be some teenage stunt and i would not expect to get shot.
 

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Would a, could a, should a, what happened, happened.

My POV on the assertion that guns made it easier, perhaps. But, would the lack of them have kept him from killing? No way to know. Maybe he goes serial killer, or uses Molotov's or pipe bombs. Or goes to work at a fast food joint and poisons the lunch crowd. Or stabs a bus driver, then runs it off the side of a cliff with students on board. There are numerous possibilities that do not require fire arms to carry out. Blaming fire arms is just a way to focus the impotent rage these kinds of tragedies inspire in people.
 

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Police arrested a man believed to be the shooter in a rear parking lot of the theater, Frank Fania, a police spokesman, told CNN. The suspect was not immediately identified. Police said he was a man in his 20s from Aurora.

Really was hoping that this was some kind of messed up viral marketing, with his name sounding like a batman character. But it seems to be real.
How screwed up is that? More then a dozen dead, and I was not sure it is was real.
 

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I heard there was a 3 month old injured. What kind of a moron brings a 3 month old baby into a movie theater? Get a babysitter or stay at home.

People don't have respect for others anymore, one of the reasons I don't go to movies anymore. People know that the baby will wake up in a movie like the one being shown but bring it anyway thinking everyone else wants to hear their child crying.
 

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They need to cancel and refund any showings of the movie for at least a month. I have tickets for next week...but it just feels wrong to watch the movie at this time.
 

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People don't have respect for others anymore, one of the reasons I don't go to movies anymore. People know that the baby will wake up in a movie like the one being shown but bring it anyway thinking everyone else wants to hear their child crying.
Misery loves company.
 

BD2003

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People don't have respect for others anymore, one of the reasons I don't go to movies anymore. People know that the baby will wake up in a movie like the one being shown but bring it anyway thinking everyone else wants to hear their child crying.

I honestly don't know it's actually gotten worse, or my tolerance has just decreased. Not too recently ago I went to a movie and some punk kid was tossing popcorn at me from the back row. Came soooooo close to choking the little fucker.

Home theater FTW.
 

BD231

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Inny minny mineie moe should I get the tech or 4, never leave home without it if I'm not strappin I don't go.
 

Baked

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I remember years ago when I watched the midnight opening of Phantom Menace with my brother. It was super packed, but it was in a mid to high income neighborhood. Now, that I think about, I wouldn't know what I would do if some nut case came into the theater and started blasting. I would just drop on the floor and pray I don't get shot in the head.

The sad truth is that no matter how manly people wanna sound in a scenario, when the shit hits the fan and reality is in front of you, you're gonna be shitting your pants. Remember right after 9/11, everybody's like, if I see a terrorist, I will kick his ass? Then stuff like this happens, and nobody did shit. Humans.

My condolences to the victims and families of this tragedy.
 
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