12 killed, 59 hurt in shooting after The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Denver

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AMDZen

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I'm certainly not naive enough to suggest that we can simply ban guns, and the problem goes away. The cat is so far out of the bag on that it would take decades to unwind.

With that said, those of you who say stupid shit like "he would have found a way to do it without guns"...give me a fucking break. This shit simply doesn't happen in any degree worth mentioning in countries with effective gun control. Guns ARE A PROBLEM in this country, and gun nuts solution is always MORE GUNS. They say this would be a perfect world if everyone was always prepared to shoot everyone else. What the hell is this country, the wild fucking west? If I could snap my fingers and make every privately gun in this country disappear, including my own, I would do it in a heartbeat. This perceived liberty we have that is for some reason so married to gun ownership just really inst worth the cost.

I don't think you've really been following the case much.

First off, before James started shooting everyone - he set off two homemade canisters of what could be best described as tear gas. Definitely a few of the 70+ people they are now treating in the hospital are being treated for chemical type lung issues due to this gas.

Second, he booby trapped his entire apartment complex with both chemical and incendiary devices which are probably home made and capable of causing a huge bunch of chaos. Destruction, fire, who knows.

So if guns were illegal, what would have stopped him from blowing up shit instead, he might have even killed more people a la Timothy McVea and the Oklahoma city bombing. He could have just drove his car into the theatre, got out and boom.

So where do you draw the line? So lets assume we outlaw guns, then what? James can't get that - that's naive first of all as you said yourself - our culture is saturated to the brim with them as it is, and even if we were to put a complete halt to all manufacturer and sell of guns in the US, and imported to the US - how many are already here? How easy are they to get? Who knows, but I am willing to bet it will be as easy as weed, or prescription drugs, or even heroin.

So. ....

Lets assume its harder for him to get the guns then. Shit the fucker goes out and blows up the whole theatre, then what? Ban fertilizer? Ban all the different substances we can use that can make explosives or chemical weapons of any kind? Where do you draw the line?

Your pissed and I get that. But all of you anti-gun freaks that show up at times like this really piss me off too. It can't be done. Guns are a part of AMerican culture unlike any other culture in the 1st world and its just the way it is. Its like trying to stop the whole internet now that it has become what it is. Its not possible so you need to sit down, rationalize and try to come up with remedies that help the problem. Not some dimwitted, half assed response that wreaks of the prohibition or the war on drugs. Which did a whole lot to stem the flow of alcohol, or the tide of drugs into the country, let me tell you!!!

How many jobs would be lost if we got rid of guns? Would cops not carry as well a la the UK? WOW. The mess I could see resulting in America if that were to happen, Anarchy on the streets is all I can see. Honestly, I'd like to see it happen just because I'm a vindictive asshole and I'd like to tell assholes like you that I told you so. Any legislation that was passed would be overturned so fast that it would make prohibition look like it lasted an eternity.
 

techs

Lifer
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http://www.chron.com/news/article/NYC-Chief-Theater-gunman-called-himself-Joker-3721906.php

NYC Chief: Theater gunman called himself Joker

AURORA, Colo. (AP) — New York City's police commissioner says the gunman in the Colorado movie theater rampage had painted his hair red and called himself the Joker — the villain from the Batman movies.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Friday that he had been briefed about the shootings that killed 12 and wounded nearly 60 others at a showing of the new Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises" at a suburban Denver theater.

Kelly and his spokesman did not say who briefed him.

Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates would not confirm the information about suspected gunman James Holmes, but confirmed he had spoken to Kelly. The two used to work together in New York.
 

TwiceOver

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It might be horrible of me to think this way but the first thing I thought when I saw this is how awful it is that he didn't do himself in. Now we all have to pay for his lawyers, prison stay, etc until the day he finally gets to fry probably sometime after I'm dead.
 

AMDZen

Lifer
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It might be horrible of me to think this way but the first thing I thought when I saw this is how awful it is that he didn't do himself in. Now we all have to pay for his lawyers, prison stay, etc until the day he finally gets to fry probably sometime after I'm dead.

That isn't horrible at all. I'll just come out and say it = Its too bad the fucker didn't die or even better, kill himself.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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You're right. It's a good thing no one was near him with a gun, people could have gotten hurt. Oh, wait...

One would have had to hit him with a clean headshot (he had a BP vest on), in a dark, smoke filled environment, my only point was this would be an incredibly difficult shot without missing his head and the round hitting an innocent moviegoer. Had the circumstances been different (as in the old dude shooting up the robbers) I'm all for it..
 
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It might be horrible of me to think this way but the first thing I thought when I saw this is how awful it is that he didn't do himself in. Now we all have to pay for his lawyers, prison stay, etc until the day he finally gets to fry probably sometime after I'm dead.

I'd personally like some answers. And butt rape.. I mean, not for myself...You know what i mean.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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I'd personally like some answers. And butt rape.. I mean, not for myself...You know what i mean.

Yeah as a parent, if he shot one of my kids I'd like to face him in court.

Obviously afterwards I'd like them to take him out back and string him up, but I'd like to see him answer first.
 

Jeffg010

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To all you fools who say this does not happen to countries that ban guns are clueless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer

ZEZE talking about South Korea how it never happens when in 1982 Uiryeong massacre killed 57 which is the second largest modern massacre.

How about Norway and Anders Behring Breivik killing 77

Also the stupid Brits on this board always claiming how great their country is because they ban all the guns when Derrick Bird killed 12 in west Cumbria

Now go look at my link that lists all these countries and tell me how banning guns is working out.
 

clamum

Lifer
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That isn't horrible at all. I'll just come out and say it = Its too bad the fucker didn't die or even better, kill himself.
For sure. It's not good when anyone dies, but goddamn.

But like a couple others above have said, some answers would be nice first. Then tie him up to a post and shoot an RPG at it.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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Also the stupid Brits on this board always claiming how great their country is because they ban all the guns when Derrick Bird killed 12 in west Cumbria

Now go look at my link that lists all these countries and tell me how banning guns is working out.

I dont know if your referring to me there but I dont see anyone in the thread saying the UK is great because they ban guns (I do think the UK is great, I think the US is great as well but there you go...).

In the UK we have a really low rate of firearms deaths and a lot of that is because guns are hard to get here. Yeah the culture is different but part of that is because guns are hard to get.

Do I think that gun control would work in the US? No, theres no way you could get control of the issue now.
 

7window

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So this guy lives in a nice area of San Diego. Went to a decent high school and college. Has a good major. Could not get a job after graduating so the parents send him to University of colorado to pursue phd. What happened? How did he end up with so many guns and ammunition? I am so worried being a parent. SEem like the parents did the right thing.
 

sigurros81

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One would have had to hit him with a clean headshot (he had a BP vest on), in a dark, smoke filled environment, my only point was this would be an incredibly difficult shot without missing his head and the round hitting an innocent moviegoer. Had the circumstances been different (as in the old dude shooting up the robbers) I'm all for it..

I'm pretty good at hitting headshots in Battlefield 3, I should have been there with my CCW.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
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What about them? I thought we were talking about a mass shooting?

I was responding your comment about gun crime rate being low because guns were difficult to obtain. Correspondingly, when the gun crime rates dropped, the bat/knive crimes increased.
 

AMDZen

Lifer
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I was responding your comment about gun crime rate being low because guns were difficult to obtain. Correspondingly, when the gun crime rates dropped, the bat/knive crimes increased.

Actually, all crime increased. Look at cases in London. Crime skyrocketed because they knew the cops couldn't do shit about it with their billy clubs
 

SlowSpyder

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What about them? I thought we were talking about a mass shooting?


I can't speak for who you're replying to, but I think he was pointing out that if someone really wants to injure or kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it. One of America's worst terrorist attacks was carried out by using a Ryder moving truck and fertilizer.
 

SSSnail

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What about them? I thought we were talking about a mass shooting?

allow me to translate: what are the statistical deaths resulting from those other instruments when comparing to gun deaths? If they are the same, or worse, then guns are not the problem. Capiche?
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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I was responding your comment about gun crime rate being low because guns were difficult to obtain. Correspondingly, when the gun crime rates dropped, the bat/knive crimes increased.

Because its better to be stabbed and raped then it is to be shot?

Stabbing is the same as getting shot IMO. I think I'd rather be shot actually

I can't speak for who you're replying to, but I think he was pointing out that if someone really wants to injure or kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it. One of America's worst terrorist attacks was carried out by using a Ryder moving truck and fertilizer.

Lol, quote frenzy.

Our total homicide levels are a lot lower and our non firearms homicide level is about the same as yours (although its hard to find recent figures).
 

AMDZen

Lifer
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I can't speak for who you're replying to, but I think he was pointing out that if someone really wants to injure or kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it. One of America's worst terrorist attacks was carried out by using a Ryder moving truck and fertilizer.

Actually, I think its safe to say that was the worst conducted by an American citizen, with the only thing worse being 911, obviously.

Personally I think we should ban planes and Moving vans too

I already made this point though. James here in Aurora could have just as easily rigged his explosives and devices to detonate in the theatre instead of his apartment complex if he hadn't been able to get guns
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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Actually, all crime increased. Look at cases in London. Crime skyrocketed because they knew the cops couldn't do shit about it with their billy clubs

Violent crime levels in the UK are at a record 30 year low.
 

techs

Lifer
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Time for the mods to lock this thread.

There should be one thread for the news and comments and another for gun control.
 
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