Because its better to be stabbed and raped then it is to be shot?
Stabbing is the same as getting shot IMO. I think I'd rather be shot actually
Violent crime levels in the UK are at a record 30 year low.
Violent crimes in the United States have also been on a sharp decline - since the early 90's or so.
Man. You fuckers really know how to derail a thread, don't you?
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I was just replying to someone that said violent crimes in the UK had gone up.
He's right though. Something is wrong when any murderous dumbass can walk into a shop and buy shit that's only reason to exist is to kill other humans.
I don't think you've really been following the case much.
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Lets assume its harder for him to get the guns then. Shit the fucker goes out and blows up the whole theatre, then what? Ban fertilizer? Ban all the different substances we can use that can make explosives or chemical weapons of any kind? Where do you draw the line?
Your pissed and I get that. But all of you anti-gun freaks that show up at times like this really piss me off too. It can't be done. Guns are a part of AMerican culture unlike any other culture in the 1st world and its just the way it is. Its like trying to stop the whole internet now that it has become what it is. Its not possible so you need to sit down, rationalize and try to come up with remedies that help the problem. Not some dimwitted, half assed response that wreaks of the prohibition or the war on drugs. Which did a whole lot to stem the flow of alcohol, or the tide of drugs into the country, let me tell you!!!
How many jobs would be lost if we got rid of guns? Would cops not carry as well a la the UK? WOW. The mess I could see resulting in America if that were to happen, Anarchy on the streets is all I can see. Honestly, I'd like to see it happen just because I'm a vindictive asshole and I'd like to tell assholes like you that I told you so. Any legislation that was passed would be overturned so fast that it would make prohibition look like it lasted an eternity.
OK?
I was just replying to someone that said violent crimes in the UK had gone up.
Immediately after your gun legislation passed, and in London. It did.
Are you insinuating that everyone who has the desire to commit murder will resort to sophisticated and hard to obtain explosive devises and other unconventional means of mass destruction if they don't have access to a firearm? That is a stretch, but I'm sure you already know that. If guns were banned and disappeared from society, and if you read my first sentence you would see that I acknowledge that's not going to happen, the murder rate would go down, SUBSTANTIALLY. Guns give weaklings and cowards the ultimate force equalizer, and it is taken advantage of every day in every major city. You think some skinny little thug shit is going to want to fight some bigger thug with a knife? I think not. The deadly consequences of firearm availability in this country is not even disputable.
It's exactly the point when discussing "does disarming a populace decrease murders", or more specifically reduce mass murder. You don't need guns to commit mass murder.I dont think either of those two points have anything to do with this.
The UK has had a long standing terrorist problem which is the reason for the bomb threats rather than random angry nutters.
Firearm related offences is a much more broad term in the UK, to put it in context there were (i think) about 40 firearms deaths last year in the UK. (that includes suicides as well I think).
Yes, you're damn right I'm insinuating that. Tragedies such as this would still occur if guns were not available. And you are a fool if you actually read what I said and feel otherwise.
911 was a stretch? Oklahoma City bombing? Atlanta bombing? The explosives this kid today has booby trapping to explode on anyone entering his Apartment ? Columbine would have still happened it would have just been pipebombs. Go look at all the bombs those kids had created. They chose to use guns instead because it was easier.
Today would have happened too and might have been worse. Maybe you weren't relaying your post in the context of this tragedy but I was. This kind of thing would have still occurred without guns and I already proved that, so don't pretend like he couldn't light off explosive, incendiary devices and chemical bombs in the theatre since he booby trapped his entire apartment with the same things.
Bingo.The problem is that we are comparing normal circumstances and normal life to this tragedy that isn't normal. This kind of thing is not to be looked at in the same context as day to day life.
It might still occur occasionally but it would be a ridiculously rare thing.
By your logic in the UK we should be letting off bombs left right and centre to make up for the lack of firearms. Discounting organised terrorist acts that very much doesn't happen.
It's exactly the point when discussing "does disarming a populace decrease murders", or more specifically reduce mass murder. You don't need guns to commit mass murder.
It can be difficult to compare murder rates between countries. Japan has an extremely low murder rate, but it's not factually correct.
No, because English people aren't as fucked up as American's. I'm not trying to apply any logic to your country because no logic for any other 1st world country can be applied to the US. Thats what I've been trying to say all along really.
Its a culture thing. Its something in our blood. Look at all the cult activity and stupid shit we do. Look at Timothy McVea and the dude in Montana shipping Antrax all around the country. Look at the number of serial killers we've had in the last century, a lot more than any other country.
History yes. But not as much in the last 50 years or so. I think Ireland is still as fucked up as ever, isn't it? I was mostly referring to the english not including the irish.We are pretty fucked up ourselves. I dread to think what would happen in your average UK town on a Friday night if eveyone could get hold of guns.
We've had quite a history of domestic terrorists here as well (IRA, UDA etc), but, yeah maybe not as mental as yours. :\
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lol. Every theater in NYC will have 2 Police Officers and a squad car for the forseeable future.
hahaha.
History yes. But not as much in the last 50 years or so. I think Ireland is still as fucked up as ever, isn't it? I was mostly referring to the english not including the irish.
BTW, why the fuck do you guys isolate your countries for the world cup, ireland, scotland, england. And then for the Olympics its "Great Brittain"
Is that a way to try and compete with us, thinking the more folks you have the better your odds of getting medals?
You might as well include Australia and New Zealand and try to compete with us
Any way I should start a new thread on that subject.
My whole point is that you cannot just do away with guns in the US like you supposedly did in the UK. All hell would break loose.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that any very aggressive legislation would drive this country into another civil war.
Immediately after your gun legislation passed, and in London. It did.
Thats what I said. I didn't say throughout the UK, just London. And I didn't say violent crime either, I just said crime. Bottom line is that London wasn't and isn't a safe city anymore or less than New York or Paris is a safe city.
The problem is that we are comparing normal circumstances and normal life to this tragedy that isn't normal. This kind of thing is not to be looked at in the same context as day to day life.
The UK's far from perfect
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html