Didnt the police chief say they guy had on a ballistic helmet too?
News reported he had an armored neck guard as well.
You are missing his and my point.. it's dark and filled with smoke and people running around frantic. You have a HUGE risk of hitting an innocent. See the point now? it's not about the vest.. it's about causing more injuriesStopped? No
Slowed down to allow more people to escape? Sure
Do you think body armor makes you immune to bullet impacts?
Do you think the sounds of bullets going by your head doesn't bother you because you know you have body armor on?
If someone was shooting at you, wouldn't you try to find them and shoot them first?
I also hate the term assault rifle. You mean a semi automatic rifle with just 10 rounds more than my semi automatic SA XDM?
Yeah - this was the first time I even knew such a thing existed. Assuming James Holmes was any kind of shot (and he was apparently fairly composed given that he shot 70 people), he made himself a one-man killing machine last night. As Wreckem wrote, the only way he could have been realistically stopped was through a concerted rush by a bunch of people who didn't know each other, had no chance to assemble by gender, and many of whom would likely have been killed. It seems likely to me that he would have killed MORE people if they'd tried to rush him.
God, this whole story sucks. It's sad to be talking in such a concrete way about how a bunch of innocent civilians might have dealt with such a well-armed, well-armored sociopath.
WTF? Do i have to look at a white guy differently now? Do white people have that stereotype that they will go crazy and kill people? B/c I know white people that look at every person that has a turbin as a terrorist.
Escaping is one thing (definitely an option, but you're running down a straight aisle that makes you an easy target - Holmes apparently shot numerous runners). Taking the shooter down is another thing entirely.
The cops shot hundreds of rounds at the North Hollywood bank robbers (who were if anything LESS armored-up than James Holmes - they didn't have helmets - much less riot helmets - throat protection or leg armor, as Holmes did), but they kept moving and kept shooting back.
I don't see it as realistic to think that civilians with 6-18 round (usually 10 or fewer) pistols, shooting in the dark, in a closed room full of tear gas, could possibly stop this particular shooter. If they did it would probably be luck (e.g., hitting a tiny gap under the riot helmet's visor) as much as skill/training.
Guess we've just been lucky then. There has only been like 1 murder here in my life time and it was targeted and not random like these shootings. People still bring it up sometimes. But no shootings or mass murderers or anything of that sort.
1.Private establishments can say no to you bringing in fire arms.
2. He wasn't armed when he first entered the theater. He walked up normally purchased a ticket, went to the theater, left through the back door leaving it where he could return. He then went out to his car and got all his shit and went back in.
3. CCW holder/carrier would have just got himself killed. He would have been out gunned, out armored. Guy with full tactical gear and semi auto gun with hundred mag rounds vs. unarmored person with a hand gun. It would have been a tank v. pea shooter. A trained sharpshooter would have had problems putting the guy down in that situation. In all likelihood it would have taken a swat team to take the guy down if he didn't voluntarily give up.
4. This whole false bravado of CCW holders is beyond retarded. No you wouldnt have taken the guy down. Nor would 99.9% of CCW holders. Most CCW talk a bunch of shit about how the would do this or that, but the fact of the matter is they aren't that prepared to handle a situation like this. The false bravado is extremely stupid.
5. Remember folks, local police routinely work security at theaters at night/midnight showings. I can bet there was a uniformed off duty officer on scene when the shots were first fired. And lets not forget full response by police happened in under 2 minutes of the first 911 call.
And the cop was clearly unable to handle the situation as well.
It doesnt fucking matter either way.
Yeah - this was the first time I even knew such a thing existed. Assuming James Holmes was any kind of shot (and he was apparently fairly composed given that he shot 70 people), he made himself a one-man killing machine last night. As Wreckem wrote, the only way he could have been realistically stopped was through a concerted rush by a bunch of people who didn't know each other, had no chance to assemble by gender, and many of whom would likely have been killed. It seems likely to me that he would have killed MORE people if they'd tried to rush him.
God, this whole story sucks. It's sad to be talking in such a concrete way about how a bunch of innocent civilians might have dealt with such a well-armed, well-armored sociopath.
lol thinking its possible that you can actually control who has guns. that is not ever going to happen.
Something like this makes me wish IL had CC.
The last 100 posts are pointing out that no CC weapon would have stopped the guy.
whats the point of wearing body armor if you're just going to surrender after the mass killing? Why do you want to live after that? (there's no death penalty in CO.)
plus you have a 100 round drum on your assault rifle.
i'm surprised he didnt go out w/guns blazing.
whats the point of wearing body armor if you're just going to surrender after the mass killing? Why do you want to live after that? (there's no death penalty in CO.)
plus you have a 100 round drum on your assault rifle.
i'm surprised he didnt go out w/guns blazing.
He was planning on having more time.
His plan at the apartment did not work to divert police away.
whats the point of wearing body armor if you're just going to surrender after the mass killing? Why do you want to live after that? (there's no death penalty in CO.)
plus you have a 100 round drum on your assault rifle.
i'm surprised he didnt go out w/guns blazing.
The shooter wore a ballistic helmet, ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector, a groin protector, gloves, a gas mask — all black. Police say Holmes killed a dozen people and left 58 others injured, many critically with gunshot wounds, before surrendering without incident when police confronted him behind the theater.
3. CCW holder/carrier would have just got himself killed. He would have been out gunned, out armored. Guy with full tactical gear and semi auto gun with hundred mag rounds vs. unarmored person with a hand gun. It would have been a tank v. pea shooter. A trained sharpshooter would have had problems putting the guy down in that situation. In all likelihood it would have taken a swat team to take the guy down if he didn't voluntarily give up.
Just because you're a coward, doesn't mean everyone else is.4. This whole false bravado of CCW holders is beyond retarded. No you wouldnt have taken the guy down. Nor would 99.9% of CCW holders. Most CCW talk a bunch of shit about how the would do this or that, but the fact of the matter is they aren't that prepared to handle a situation like this. The false bravado is extremely stupid.