12 killed, 59 hurt in shooting after The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Denver

[MarkXIX]

Absolutely agree...well the lubing thing just depends but other than that completely agree. Built my wife a brand new AR and she took it out without lubing it at all and it started jamming on the second mag...bone dry and brand new makes for a bad combination, which his just may have been. Those mags are idiotic though, but to be honest the only thing I think should be more restricted is the body armor.

Well, I am working with real MILSPEC stuff here, not your AR Lego set with a Hello Kitty buttstock.

 

[corwin]

Well, I am working with real MILSPEC stuff here, not your AR Lego set with a Hello Kitty buttstock.

Haha...right It's entirely "milspec" but you're close on the furniture, there's no kitty but it is pink

 

[Anonemous]

Another 'Joker':

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ith-dozens-of-weapons-says-hes-the-joker?lite

Magaw said that when they arrived, Prescott was wearing a shirt that read, "Guns don't kill people, I do."

 

[MetalMat]

Another 'Joker':

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ith-dozens-of-weapons-says-hes-the-joker?lite

Wtf is wrong with people, he looks like he could be peter griffins cousin

 

[bignateyk]

Another 'Joker':

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ith-dozens-of-weapons-says-hes-the-joker?lite

Hah, more like the fat joker.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Oh, and and this one:

http://thediplomat.com/tokyo-notes/2010/12/17/new-japan-stabbing-spree/

Just search "Japan stabbing" there's more.

The point that many people have made that many others ignore is that if someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. Also search "Japan sarin" if Japan is a model of non-violence due to gun control.

You know what's great about that story? It completely proves my point. This guy went on a stabbing spree, stabbed 14 people, killed nobody and was restrained by unarmed individuals.

 

[sourceninja]

Another 'Joker':

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ith-dozens-of-weapons-says-hes-the-joker?lite

I had a shirt like that when I was 15.

Honestly though, I get that this guy must be crazy to threaten his work, but why do they always list all the guns like multiple guns re-enforces the fact your crazy.

I have a lot of guns because I collect them. Many of them are guns I won't ever shoot (my ww2 rifles for example). I have a lot of ammo, mainly because I don't shoot a lot of guns regularly (except my carry), but I buy ammo when it's on sale. So does that somehow make me a crazy madman?

Would only having one gun and going on a killing spree be somehow better?

 

[JulesMaximus]

I had a shirt like that when I was 15.

Honestly though, I get that this guy must be crazy to threaten his work, but why do they always list all the guns like multiple guns re-enforces the fact your crazy.

I have a lot of guns because I collect them. Many of them are guns I won't ever shoot (my ww2 rifles for example). I have a lot of ammo, mainly because I don't shoot a lot of guns regularly (except my carry), but I buy ammo when it's on sale. So does that somehow make me a crazy madman?

Would only having one gun and going on a killing spree be somehow better?

Yes, yes it does. :awe:

I have 13 guns and a fair amount of ammo. Primarily because having ammo on hand makes it easier to just grab a couple guns and go down to the range. That way I don't have to go try to buy ammo before I go shooting and I can buy it when it is on sale.

 

[Regs]

Serial killers or mass murders usually create a persona to justify their actions or they're in so much mental pain they have to create a world around them to coup. They are healthy ways to deal with your problems and then they are ways like Holmes.

 

[Phoenix86]

You know what's great about that story? It completely proves my point. This guy went on a stabbing spree, stabbed 14 people, killed nobody and was restrained by unarmed individuals.

You're right, it's super awesome that 14 people were stabbed.

:hmm:

edit: how many different types of rounds do you have stock?

 

[JulesMaximus]

You're right, it's super awesome that 14 people were stabbed.

:hmm:

edit: how many different types of rounds do you have stock?

At least they aren't dead.

Probably around 8 different calibers and maybe 1500 rounds... maybe.

 

[Phoenix86]

At least they aren't dead.

Probably around 8 different calibers and maybe 1500 rounds... maybe.

Hey now, I was intentionally taking what you said out of context!

Honestly I just wish people would focus on the cause of the attack not the means.

 

[BladeVenom]

You know what's great about that story? It completely proves my point. This guy went on a stabbing spree, stabbed 14 people, killed nobody and was restrained by unarmed individuals.

Or the Sarin subway attack. 13 dead, 1100 injured. No guns.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Not to be a bitch but "your immediately previous" doesn't make me take your actual message seriously since you didn't write like a literate adult.

You OK?

"Previous" in this case is vague since there are multiple previous posts. "Immediately" specifies which one. Thanks for playing, though, chump.

go start a thread about grammar, dick face..

'Less learning', more stake burning' - yeehaw!'

Under common law, an insanity plea requires that the defendant either doesn't know right from wrong or doesn't understand the nature of his actions. If, in theory, Holmes thought he was shooting at targets, or rabbits, he could not be held criminally liable for murder. While I agree he is likely schizophrenic, all of the planning associated with this crime (including but not limited to his notebooks showing himself shooting stick figures) suggests he was fully aware of the nature of his actions.

Frankly I suspect that even if there were overwhelming evidence that Holmes really didn't know what he was doing, a jury would reject his insanity defense and send him to prison.

Good points, however, this is Colorado. Insanity might not keep him out of prison but it might keep a needle out of his arm, no? Could a judge consider his mental illness to be a mitigating factor at sentencing?

 

[Wreckem]

"Previous" in this case is vague since there are multiple previous posts. "Immediately" specifies which one. Thanks for playing, though, chump.



'Less learning', more stake burning' - yeehaw!'



Good points, however, this is Colorado. Insanity might not keep him out of prison but it might keep a needle out of his arm, no? Could a judge consider his mental illness to be a mitigating factor at sentencing?

Insanity wouldn't keep him out of prison either. Hed still be locked up in prison if he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. He'd just be in the prison's psych ward for the rest of his days. Insanity defense isnt a get out of jail free card. Unless you are not guilty by reasons of temporary insanity the likelihood of you getting out of a psych ward is slim to none.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Or the Sarin subway attack. 13 dead, 1100 injured. No guns.

Right. I'll just run out to my local poison gas store and pick up a few cans. In a truly free society we should be able to have poison gas.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Hey now, I was intentionally taking what you said out of context!

Honestly I just wish people would focus on the cause of the attack not the means.

I didn't get it obviously.

No worries. :biggrin:

 

[sourceninja]

Right. I'll just run out to my local poison gas store and pick up a few cans. In a truly free society we should be able to have poison gas.

Just think, that attack never would have happened if we banned poison gas.

 

[BladeVenom]

Right. I'll just run out to my local poison gas store and pick up a few cans. In a truly free society we should be able to have poison gas.

It's basically that easy if you know chemistry. People die in their homes from mixing bleach and ammonia. In industry, especially the plating industry, lots of people have died from accidentally making cyanide gas. Those are just accidents. It's that easy to make poison gas. Yet chemistry books are unregulated.

I remember one of our forum geniuses awhile back was igniting compressed computer duster. That makes hydrofluoric acid. Which is some pretty nasty stuff.

If the guy was studying neuroscience he could have made some really deadly poisons with easily accessible ingredients you find in any university lab.

 

[BladeVenom]

James Holmes mailed his notebook to his psychiatrist with plans oh how he was going to commit mass murder. It had been at the universities mailroom since the 12th. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/26/usa-shooting-denver-idUSL2E8IPC2B20120726

So if you want to blame something for the murders besides the murderer, blame slow mail delivery. If slow mail service isn't killing people, it's postmen going postal.

 

[Phokus]

Hey now, I was intentionally taking what you said out of context!

Honestly I just wish people would focus on the cause of the attack not the means.

Uhm, i think the means of attack are pretty damn important. If he had a gun, or a dirty nuke, there'd be lots of dead people, rather than just 14 injuries.

 

[MarkXIX]

You know what's great about that story? It completely proves my point. This guy went on a stabbing spree, stabbed 14 people, killed nobody and was restrained by unarmed individuals.

Good job ignoring the first story where 7 people were killed in another incident before this one.

You proved my point that people like you pick and choose those incidents that best suits their agenda.

Also, pretty sure sarin gas is illegal everywhere on earth, but somehow, someway these guys obtained it to kill people. Point being that making something illegal is not the same as making it unavailable. By your reasoning even everything that could be used to harm people should be removed from society.

Personally I look forward to our new, Nerf swaddled future! At least until someone starts picking pieces of Nerf away from places where they want to see people injured or killed, and then what?

 

[Phokus]

Good job ignoring through first story where 7 people were killed in another incident before this one.

You proved my point that people like you pick and choose those incidents that best suits their agenda.

I'm sorry, but if you're able to stab FOURTEEN FUCKING PEOPLE, you can do a helluva lot more damage with a gun. That applies to the guy who killed 7 people with a knife as well.

 

[BladeVenom]

I'm sorry, but if you're able to stab FOURTEEN FUCKING PEOPLE, you can do a helluva lot more damage with a gun. That applies to the guy who killed 7 people with a knife as well.

And if you're able to get a science degree, you can do a helluva lot more damage with poisons and explosives than you can with a gun. Yet there's no background check to take chemistry courses; they'll even sell chemistry books to children.

 

[MarkXIX]

I'm sorry, but if you're able to stab FOURTEEN FUCKING PEOPLE, you can do a helluva lot more damage with a gun. That applies to the guy who killed 7 people with a knife as well.

Yet earlier someone posted a story where one guy with a concealed carry weapon stopped a stabbing rampage after only two victims. It takes a lot of time and effort to stab and kill that many people. One responsible citizen or cop with a gun stops these incidents dead in their tracks just about anywhere else that guns are among the population.