12 killed, 59 hurt in shooting after The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Denver

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JulesMaximus

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Good job ignoring the first story where 7 people were killed in another incident before this one.

You proved my point that people like you pick and choose those incidents that best suits their agenda.

Also, pretty sure sarin gas is illegal everywhere on earth, but somehow, someway these guys obtained it to kill people. Point being that making something illegal is not the same as making it unavailable. By your reasoning even everything that could be used to harm people should be removed from society.

Personally I look forward to our new, Nerf swaddled future! At least until someone starts picking pieces of Nerf away from places where they want to see people injured or killed, and then what?

That is not my reasoning at all... and, for the record, I didn't pick that incident, you did.
 

OverVolt

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Aug 31, 2002
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Alright I'll let it be I already know Jules won't change their mind or anything lol. I do know that they are wrong :/

Just really boils down to never having experienced a crime. You are HELPLESS. Its actually hard to deal with. It rocks the "crime only happens to OTHER people" worldview that you have.

Crime is crime, it doesn't matter if it happens to 1 person or 10,000 if you are that person. When my gf was looking at the victims photos and we did pick out one guy and we were like "I bet he tried to fight back" and we did see a news article and it turned out he died protecting his girlfriend. A person like that is the one you want with a CCW. I don't know why anyone would argue against the right to defend themselves.

The other crazy people out there like the ones who do crimes like this, they aren't going to go to a gun store and can't get one and just go "oh damn" and give up if their mind is made up. It doesn't matter if its poison gas or swords or vehicles or whatever, trying to compare lethality is pointless if you can defend yourself.
 
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Sorry, not buying it. He knows EXACTLY what he's done. The problem is, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

If you think about the statements from the jailers, his whole act mirrors various scenes in the Dark Knight movie. Remember the prisoner that the Joker planted in the jail with a bomb sewn into his stomach that kept complaining his stomach hurts? Eerily similar to what we are hearing about him complaining his stomach hurts, won't eat, etc. Similarly, his whole act in court the other day just wreaks of how the Joker acted in the jail in that movie where he basically played the victim while he held two people hostage.

So, either he's extrememly delusional and has really, REALLY gone off the deep end and immersed himself into this whole Batman world, or he is calculated and highly intelligent and believes he's gonna beat the system using the same tactics he's observed in Heath Ledger's Joker character.

I say he's a calculated, measured, reasoning mind who has convinced himself that he's going to beat the system here and he's still just having fun. That fun will end once he get's in gen pop in the correctional system.

IMHO:
Of course he has memories of exactly what he has done. But IMHO it is possible to actually refuse your memories. A normal self protection mechanism to prevent yourself from collapsing. Think about soldiers, how they must go on being a soldier and not giving in to what they feel or think. Something that they learn themselves while being trained and further refined while being in an actual war zone. It will look like you have no longer any idea what occurred in the past and that no negative emotions happen. Then all you have to do is convince yourself it did not happen. But the right situation will trigger those memories. Creating a very dangerous situation in the case of soldier who did not receive help. In the case of the suspect i would think it would help to make him give himself away. I agree with you though, he knows how to purposefully "forget". If it would exist, it would be like self hypnosis.
 
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I looked it up : The placebo effect because of auto-suggestion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosuggestion

I am sure he is smart enough that he knows about it.

The Coué method

The Coué method centers on a routine repetition of this particular expression according to a specified ritual, in a given physical state, and in the absence of any sort of allied mental imagery, at the beginning and at the end of each day. Unlike a commonly held belief that a strong conscious constitutes the best path to success, Coué maintained that curing some of our troubles requires a change in our subconscious/unconscious thought, which can only be achieved by using our imagination. Although stressing that he was not primarily a healer but one who taught others to heal themselves, Coué claimed to have effected organic changes through autosuggestion.[2]
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Underlying principles

Coué thus developed a method which relied on the belief that any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality, although only to the extent that the idea is within the realm of possibility. For instance, a person without hands will not be able to make them grow back. However, if a person firmly believes that his or her asthma is disappearing, then this may actually happen, as far as the body is actually able to physically overcome or control the illness. On the other hand, thinking negatively about the illness (ex. "I am not feeling well") will encourage both mind and body to accept this thought.
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Willpower

Coué observed that the main obstacle to autosuggestion was willpower. For the method to work, the patient must refrain from making any independent judgement, meaning that he must not let his will impose its own views on positive ideas. Everything must thus be done to ensure that the positive "autosuggestive" idea is consciously accepted by the patient, otherwise one may end up getting the opposite effect of what is desired.[3]

Coué noted that young children always applied his method perfectly, as they lacked the willpower that remained present among adults. When he instructed a child by saying "clasp your hands" and you can't the child would thus immediately follow.[clarification needed]
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Self-conflict

Coué believed a patient's problems were likely to increase if his willpower and imagination (or mental ideas) opposed each other, something Coué would refer to as "self-conflict".[citation needed] As the conflict intensifies, so does the problem i.e., the more the patient tries to sleep, the more he becomes awake. The patient must thus abandon his willpower and instead put more focus on his imaginative power in order to fully succeed with his cure.
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Effectiveness

With his method, which Coué once called his "trick",[4] patients of all sorts would come to visit him. The list of ailments included kidney problems, diabetes, memory loss, stammering, weakness, atrophy and all sorts of physical and mental illnesses.[citation needed] According to one of his journal entries (1916), he apparently cured a patient of a uterus prolapse as well as "violent pains in the head" (migraine).[5]
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Evidence

In the early 20th century, Emile Coue used autosuggestion to cure patients; his work is evidence to support the existence of autosuggestion and the power of the human mind
 
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Phoenix86

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Uhm, i think the means of attack are pretty damn important. If he had a gun, or a dirty nuke, there'd be lots of dead people, rather than just 14 injuries.
The means matter but are vastly less interesting than the reasons. You can control the reasons better, in this case it sounds like the mother knew something was wrong before it happened. That opens the door to actually preventing the tragedy.

All this nonsense about limiting guns, expanding CCW, and whatever wouldn't have prevented it.
 
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burn this fucktard now. every headline regarding destruction from his killing spree is satisfying him deep down.

fuck this guy and every single breath he has from here on out.
 

Newbian

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blankslate

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I think it was pretty cool of Christian Bale to visit Aurora.

From what I understand someone posted something online that people involved with the movie should make that gesture.

He also kept it pretty low key. Most (if not all) of the media didn't know and most of the footage and photographs from his visit were taken by amateur photographers and people with consumer video recorders.
 

micrometers

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I did see this before and laughed at the idiots lawsuit and wish he would get stringed up for even trying most of what he is trying to sue over but sadly he will probably get money no matter what.

He wants to sue the theater for not having security guards and warner bros because of the violence in the movie.

cruel. You suck.

How would you feel if the gun victims sued the shops that sold the guns? And the ammo retailers? Would you get behind that? I would.
 

Newbian

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cruel. You suck.

How would you feel if the gun victims sued the shops that sold the guns? And the ammo retailers? Would you get behind that? I would.

If the items were sold legally then no.

Just because you are sue happy doesn't mean it's innocent peoples fault.

It's the fault of the person that used legally bought goods in a illegal manner.

It would be no different then if a person see's a Ex eating in a restaurant while driving so then proceeds to drive into the place to hurt the Ex and kills a dozen people and then the survivors suing the maker of the car.

Place fault where it's due and not where you can make a quick buck from.
 

BladeVenom

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Jun 2, 2005
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cruel. You suck.

How would you feel if the gun victims sued the shops that sold the guns? And the ammo retailers? Would you get behind that? I would.

How about his psychiatrist who didn't report how dangerous he was? How about his university or the NIH who gave him the money to buy guns?
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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How about his psychiatrist who didn't report how dangerous he was? How about his university or the NIH who gave him the money to buy guns?

What about the manufacturer of the car he used to get to the movie theater?
 

corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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cruel. You suck.

How would you feel if the gun victims sued the shops that sold the guns? And the ammo retailers? Would you get behind that? I would.

You're argument has been weighed and found lacking, also against the law, so take your bullshit elsrwhere and stop stinking up the place already or maybe we'll suggest to the victims that you should be sued too for being an asshat
 

Rudee

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Apr 23, 2000
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I blame the alarm clock company that woke him up in time to get ready.


He was wearing shoes! Sue the shoe company that made the shoes that he put on the day he killed those innocent people. Somebody has to pay for this!
 
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