12 killed, 59 hurt in shooting after The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Denver

[Stifko]

Nor did this happen in Denver. Aurora is a completely different place. Just like Compton isn't LA or the Bronx isn't NYC.

May the victims R.I.P.
My condolences to the families of the victims.


FYI the Bronx is NYC.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ed_the_aurora_shooting_a_second_opinion_.html
Could an Armed Person Have Stopped the Aurora Shooting? A Second Opinion.

 

[tooriski]

I heard about one of the victims who escaped the Canada mall shooting and died at this one. what are the odds, so very sad. can't imagine what must have gone through her mind at that moment. Even more sad is that our nation will label the suspect mental and feed him and care for him for years to come, instead of chopping off a limb from his body every week and put some salt on the wound until he says he is sane.

 

[Ns1]

I heard about one of the victims who escaped the Canada mall shooting and died at this one. what are the odds, so very sad. can't imagine what must have gone through her mind at that moment. Even more sad is that our nation will label the suspect mental and feed him and care for him for years to come, instead of chopping off a limb from his body every week and put some salt on the wound until he says he is sane.

srsly, some final destination shit right there.

 

[spidey07]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ed_the_aurora_shooting_a_second_opinion_.html
Could an Armed Person Have Stopped the Aurora Shooting? A Second Opinion.

Good point of view. Especially about hitting the deck and awareness. Guns dont sound like fire crackers. They sound like a rifle, a shotgun or a pistol.

 

[0roo0roo]

what was wrong with the dudes face anyways....

is it the eyes?

 

[qliveur]

Yes.

The eyes. They're crazy.

 

[Printer Bandit]

what was wrong with the dudes face anyways....

is it the eyes?

how come we haven't heard a peep out of crazy dude #2?

 

[amdhunter]

what was wrong with the dudes face anyways....

is it the eyes?

 

[Printer Bandit]

who can forget this piece of shit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c_WiDqpRho

 

[qliveur]

how come we haven't heard a peep out of crazy dude #2?

Because it turned out that he wasn't a tea-partier, so he had no propaganda value.

 

[BUTCH1]

You know what? Just let the bad guys do whatever they want, because, let's face it, we're incapable of doing anything useful, ever. Let them walk around, shoot whomever they wish with no fear of repercussions, because they know law abiding citizens do not have the same firepower, or power that they do. Let the court and justice system deal with them, yeah, that will show them.

This just goes to show that there are heroes, then there are ATOT posters. There are some that would jump on grenades to save their squad mates, then there are you guys.

If I was there, and I had a weapon, you can bet your ass that I'll try my best to neutralize the shooter, or die trying. Call me what you want, but that's just me.

In this particular situation with him having apparently every kind of body Armour ever made on plus the difficulty of aiming in THAT situation odds are your gonna shoot another person. Otherwise I'm with you in the fighting back, possibly tackling him so can't shoot anything..

 

[dmcowen674]

This kid is from California and is not a Coloradan or a Denverite. This nut job came from a California upbringing and had only been here a couple years to attend college here. So fuck that.

Nor did this happen in Denver. Aurora is a completely different place. Just like Compton isn't LA or the Bronx isn't NYC.

Having lived in Denver my whole life, I can assure you that Aurora has a reputation. You learn to avoid certain areas of certain cities, and anyone in Denver has known this mall area (where the theatre is) to be a hotbed for this kind of activity. There was shootings in the mall not two years ago.

It's still Denver MSA

Just like Chicago's south side.

 

[dmcowen674]

It's funny how a lot of sheeple here would trade freedom for false security.

That's one of the biggest problems facing the U.S. now.

It has become an infestation of pussies as evidenced by so many posters in here.

This is all by design such as policies such as:

Dumbing down kids in school - check
(No Child Left Behind actually means all kids left behind for example).

Lowering wages of the working class - check

 

[gothamhunter]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ed_the_aurora_shooting_a_second_opinion_.html
Could an Armed Person Have Stopped the Aurora Shooting? A Second Opinion.

Again, though -- the theater was a gun-free zone. "That's where the chickens go," said Block. "They go to where people are unarmed." The shooter made a series of smart tactical decisions that minimized the risk of anyone stopping him. "I'm gonna guess one thing. He plays computer games. They'll find computer games at his house. He's not military. He's an educated kid."

They had to throw that in at the end didn't they? Seriously...

 

[TerryMathews]

In this particular situation with him having apparently every kind of body Armour ever made on plus the difficulty of aiming in THAT situation odds are your gonna shoot another person. Otherwise I'm with you in the fighting back, possibly tackling him so can't shoot anything..

Your an idiot. The person shooting is the easiest to shoot in the dark, due to the noise and muzzle flash. If there had been a CCW carrier oh the audience, this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot 80 people.

Why do you think snipers still use camouflage at night?

 

[gothamhunter]

Your an idiot. The person shooting is the easiest to shoot in the dark, due to the noise and muzzle flash. If there had been a CCW carrier oh the audience, this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot 80 people.

Why do you think snipers still use camouflage at night?

You're*
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Also, in the amount of time it took him to shoot 80 people with an assault rifle, the CCW carrier would have just gotten his weapon out.

 

[TerryMathews]

You're*
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Also, in the amount of time it took him to shoot 80 people with an assault rifle, the CCW carrier would have just gotten his weapon out.

I'll give you credit on the you're, but my sentence wasn't "you're in idiot." Are you inside one right now?

There's no way in hell it takes more than one mag for the CCWer to draw. The rifle was semi auto.

 

[shortylickens]

You're*
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Also, in the amount of time it took him to shoot 80 people with an assault rifle, the CCW carrier would have just gotten his weapon out.

Umm, no, he/she would have had it out at the first shot.
But since the assailant was armored it wouldn't have mattered. Nobody carries FMJ in a handgun. They might use it at the range or for specific purposes, but never for daily carry. People with brains use expensive hollow points. Ignorant folks use target ammo cuz they dont wanna spend the extra money.

 

[William Gaatjes]

what was wrong with the dudes face anyways....

is it the eyes?

Looking at the pictures in chronological order : First, third, second i assume.
The second picture is extremely creepy. If i let my imagination run wild, as if he is physically becoming what he is in his mind. He starts to look like Smeagol turning into Gollum.

 

[7window]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ed_the_aurora_shooting_a_second_opinion_.html
Could an Armed Person Have Stopped the Aurora Shooting? A Second Opinion.

Will not work because he has body armour. This is not a movie where you aim and hit the head. Law enforcement are trained to hit the biggest part of your body which is the torso.

 

[gorcorps]

You're*
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Also, in the amount of time it took him to shoot 80 people with an assault rifle, the CCW carrier would have just gotten his weapon out.

First, AR mags are 30 rounds. Second, no... just no.

 

[spidey07]

First, AR mags are 30 rounds. Second, no... just no.

Nonsense. This was a high capacity assault rifle! The same thing our soldiers use!

/sarcasm

 

[7window]

what was wrong with the dudes face anyways....

is it the eyes?

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[William Gaatjes]

Well. Take a look at this.

"I have learned how people are when stoned out of their mind . I am a bouncer at one of the local bars .
We threw a guy out one night after about the 3rd time he started problems .
our front door at the bar was one of those with two plans of glass with wire in between them I know every one has seen those before .
Well about 10 min later this guy hit it so hard he put his fist all most all the way through it
and I do mean through. He split the wire and shattered both pieces of tempered glass.
We ran out side and me and two other bouncers and the owner. We got him down i was behind him got him in a sleeper hold .
It takes about 3 to 5 seconds for someone to lose consciousness .
(I have had 4yrs of self defense training so yes I know what I am doing) I put the guy out, he hit the ground, I let go and he jumped up and hit one of the other bouncers so hard he slid on the payment .

We got him down again i got him in a hold again this time I held him so long his face turned white and his lips
and finger nails were blue. My Boss said "let him go you're going to kill him" .
5 to 8 seconds later he was up and fighting again by then the country deputies were there and the guy layed one out with
one punch. They Tased him and all he did was step back and flex his arms and growled at them.
Then they Tased him 4 times before he hit the ground.

They chuffed him rolled him over and he kicked one of the deputies in the face so he got Tased again. They rolled him over
cuffed his ankles together and took a set and cuffed his hands to his ankles. He pulled so hard that he ripped the skin off both wrists and was bleeding badly. They Tased him again to stop him from hurting him self .
Then they sat on him for about 10 min before they got him calmed down so they could put him in the car.
One of the Officers said if he had come by himself that the only way to stop some one like that is a
head shot because he would kill you .He had seen this before. this guy weight maybe 160 lbs and was less than 6 ft tall they found Meth and angle dust in his pocket

"I was a paramedic 27 years ago, and guess what? It was going on then. You should see a cop shoot someone 3-4 times and they just keep coming at them, cranked up on all of that crap"

If your dealing with a guy like this, anything less than a center of mass hit from a shotgun with buckshot or a slug probably wouldn't have stopped him. Or like the officer said, a headshot. But that's hard to do in a stressful situation.

As for a rabid animal; it depends entirely on the animal. It can take anything from a .22 to a 30-06. Which is why in my opinion, banning calibers based on size is silly, as each one has it's own uses. And just because a bullet is bigger does not make it inherently more dangerous.

The AR-15 the theater nutjob used fired .223, which isn't much bigger than .22 LR. It was a very small caliber on the spectrum.

Thank you for answering seriously.
I fully understand what you mean, but for me a bouncer is not much different than a police officer, in the sense that both try to protect people. Not that a bouncer has the same by law enforced capabilities as a police officer of course. I also fully agree that a bouncer should always carry bullet proof vests and extra concealed body armor if possible when at work. But for a general citizen ?

Anyway, i understand that most the weapons used by criminals just as body armor is purchased illegally. I would think this would make sense because they do not want to be traced. Thus we come to the real issue of illegal weapons trade just as illegal (hard) drugs trade.

I understand what these people drugged out of their mind are capable off. That is just unbelievable but reality. I sort of met such a guy recently although not as far gone as the one you are describing. Then i would have had a serious problem.

The problem is that it is very difficult to screen out people with mental problems. The more intelligent sociopaths or psychopaths are very good at concealing their true nature. These kind of situations will never stop.

The other problem (from the bank robbery) is illegal weapons trade just as illegal (hard) drugs trade (from your example).

And another problem is that there is not enough screening about what customers buy (The shooting at the theater). If you are going to buy thousands of bullets, multiple weapons and body armor in a relatively short period of time (Less than a year). Then there should be somewhere for example at the FBI in the US going an alarm bell. To do some background checking.