Holy fuck you are awesome. I couldn't have said it better. I'm not speaking to Jules specifically because I haven't read all his/your posts, but goddamn if this is not fucking true. I knew 100% what this thread would devolve into and it's played out fucking perfectly.
Ah I dunno maybe it is? Haha, sorry, I tend to swear quite a bit on here I guess. I don't in real life, unless I'm with a close friend (who also does the same). I should probably tone it down though.Is it casual swearing day and I just didn't get the memo?
Ah I dunno maybe it is? Haha, sorry, I tend to swear quite a bit on here I guess. I don't in real life, unless I'm with a close friend (who also does the same). I should probably tone it down though.
Is it casual swearing day and I just didn't get the memo?
Yes.
There are plenty of 15+ mass killings involving knives/swords or explosives/gasoline. He could have driven a truck through the theatre or something.
How do you fail to understand that its the person and not the weapon they use? Should suspicious quantities of gasoline be illegal?
Should you have to pass a lie detector and 3 background checks to rent a Uhaul?
Should swords and large kitchen knives be illegal too?
The ridiculousness will NEVER stop because it is directed at the WRONG problem. Honestly if it weren't for guns being so controversial and their status in the constitution to distract everyone like you, then the above things probably would already be implemented thanks to voters like yourself and it would take 4 hours to rent a truck or be impossible to store gasoline for your lawnmower without submitting 15 pages of paperwork for your gasoline canister licence.
The very precise reason WHY America & Freedom have done the country good is because we are not ridiculous like other countries if its developing world petty corruption or over the top developed world regulations. Excess regulation harms the economy or too little, but in this case its obvious our problem solving abilities are broken considering they are now trying to ban costumes from public venues lol. Because we all know someone who is going to do a mass murder would follow the "no costume" law just like he followed the "gun free zone" law forgetting the fact that all he had was dyed hair anyway WOOSH, total miss in logic in all forms.
You know, I really don't have a problem with people owning "assault weapons" per se, as long as they don't do things like kill innocent people with them. Unfortunately, they do. So I don't really give a shit if they ban them. I really don't. And I own one! :ninja:
I'm not for banning all guns either so don't even bring that up.
One thing is for certain, it is way too easy for mentally unstable people to get their hands on guns.
And can we stop comparing cars/gasoline/uhauls/costumes to assault weapons? One of those is made to kill people... that's it, the others aren't. They aren't the same... you're just being ridiculous. People don't use an AR-15, a weapon designed primarily for military use, for self-defense.
It really blows my mind that you guys can't see this kid just as likely using his bombs for this instead of guns at all.
Such is the inherent danger of living in a free society...somebody will use that freedom to kill someone else in some manner, if there were no guns it would be something else, until we just cut off everyone's limbs at birth somebody is going to kill somebody else with something. And you should step back and see if you really even know what an "assault rifle" is before you go spouting of that they should be taken away, technically there is no such thing since no one can actually define itI find this interesting.
I don't think you're suggesting that since he'd find another way, we should do nothing about preventing the previous way of him killing all those people.
Whether guns should be taken out of everyone's hands or not, I can't say. But I will say that dangerous weapons capable of mass destruction (such as the assault rifle) should not be accessible to civilians. I really don't see a valid reason for your average person to carry a weapon like that.
People in this thread want to scream "rights" all the time when it comes to stuff they want to do -- such as carry a gun. Just realize that it works both ways, that there's some nutbag willing to exercise that same right to bear arms but use that right to commit unspeakable acts.
Such is the inherent danger of living in a free society...somebody will use that freedom to kill someone else in some manner, if there were no guns it would be something else, until we just cut off everyone's limbs at birth somebody is going to kill somebody else with something. And you should step back and see if you really even know what an "assault rifle" is before you go spouting of that they should be taken away, technically there is no such thing since no one can actually define it
If I go to see a movie right now, what do you suppose my chances are that I will have the same thing happen to me?
You're becoming a worrywart over an event with a statistically insignificant chance of occurring. I had a discussion with a friend over how local theaters are increasing security. I said it was completely unnecessary. He retorted that he doesn't want to die seeing a movie. I told him, "I guarantee that you have a higher chance of choking to death on your popcorn than you do being shot to death in a theater."
I'm really not surprised though... southerners are always so worried over statistically insignificant things. Shows how little faith they really have. (Oh yeah... I went there. )
Which would be what exactly? There are laws that are there to prevent him from doing this, laws against using weapons to kill people...he really doesn't seem to care. Just because 1 in hundreds of millions of people does something bad you think everyone that didn't do it should be made to suffer? It's been asked by others and again just now by me, define "assault rifle"? And how are you going to prevent someone from doing this again with a gun, then take the next logical step and if you can prevent it with a gun how are you going to stop them from using the next item? Then how far are you willing to go, how many liberties are YOU willing to give up to be "safe"?My point still stands.
This is absolutely correct. What people fail to understand is that while 71 people were getting shot, with 12 people dying in this movie theater, 80 people died (and hundreds more were injured) in the US from car accidents. And that happens every single day of the year, making it statistically about 2500 times more likely you will die on the way to the theater than while watching the movie itself.
I keep waiting for stricter traffic safety laws, but apparently no one else cares.
All that's needed in this situation is to keep a sense of perspective.
I find this interesting.
I don't think you're suggesting that since he'd find another way, we should do nothing about preventing the previous way of him killing all those people.
Which would be what exactly? There are laws that are there to prevent him from doing this, laws against using weapons to kill people...he really doesn't seem to care. Just because 1 in hundreds of millions of people does something bad you think everyone that didn't do it should be made to suffer? It's been asked by others and again just now by me, define "assault rifle"? And how are you going to prevent someone from doing this again with a gun, then take the next logical step and if you can prevent it with a gun how are you going to stop them from using the next item? Then how far are you willing to go, how many liberties are YOU willing to give up to be "safe"?
Or you could just be responsible for your own safety and carry a gun...but that takes a certain level of dedication that many don't seem to have.
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You are making too much sense. I mean, what are you talking about?
There is no way this guy could have done this without guns. There is no way anyone could do anything close to this without guns.
Anything you have to offer as evidence to the contrary are isolated incidents.
To say nothing about the 3 guys 1 hammer incident in the Ukraine 29 victims, 21 murders. All with hammers and blunt objects. By far one of the bloodiest and most evil crimes committed in the last 10+ years. Isolated!
Pretty much every serial killer from all of history? Isolated incidents. I mean, they didn't use guns but they would have if they could have.
Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Charles Manson crimes. The unibomber. WTF was he thinking, not using guns? OK City would have been much less terrible if he had used guns instead of a huge bomb, but 168 dead - more than any other crime before 9/11 to happen on American soil. Doesn't matter because it wasn't guns and thus we don't have anything to bitch and moan about.
You guys are so naive. If this asshole had thought to used bombs, for a second. There would be many, many, many more grieving people out there right now. But lets just zero in on the guns since thats what he used and his bombs failed. Damn good thing they failed too.
Evil people are evil. Evil people will figure out how to kill. Its not that difficult to understand that this guy was evil.
Conventional wisdom seems to lead towards carrying...nobody in the theater that night were doing anything inherently dangerous, nobody on Fort Hood that were shot by Nidal Hassan were doing anything inherently dangerous, people are killed by thugs and criminals everyday that has nothing to do with crowded clubs or being out late at night etc...sounds more like you're paranoid to be somewhere "unsafe" but that's your choice...I've never needed a gun to be "responsible for my own safety" It takes a certain level of dedication to go against conventional wisdom. I am responsible by making sure I'm not hanging out late at night, drinking and driving, hanging in crowded clubs, etc. Call me what you want.
I don't think anything lawmakers can do will prevent anything anymore. They never could. Never will. No matter what they pass or make illegal.
You know, I really don't have a problem with people owning "assault weapons" per se, as long as they don't do things like kill innocent people with them. Unfortunately, they do. So I don't really give a shit if they ban them. I really don't. And I own one! :ninja:
I'm not for banning all guns either so don't even bring that up.
One thing is for certain, it is way too easy for mentally unstable people to get their hands on guns.
And can we stop comparing cars/gasoline/uhauls/costumes to assault weapons? One of those is made to kill people... that's it, the others aren't. They aren't the same... you're just being ridiculous. People don't use an AR-15, a weapon designed primarily for military use, for self-defense.
There is a solution, more honest people carrying guns. This theater was a gun free area. Proving once again the stupidity of gun control because criminals don't follow the rules. If even 10% of the audience had a gun with them, the shooting would have only lasted a couple of seconds instead of a couple of minutes.
Conventional wisdom seems to lead towards carrying...nobody in the theater that night were doing anything inherently dangerous, nobody on Fort Hood that were shot by Nidal Hassan were doing anything inherently dangerous, people are killed by thugs and criminals everyday that has nothing to do with crowded clubs or being out late at night etc...sounds more like you're paranoid to be somewhere "unsafe" but that's your choice...
There at the end you nailed it though, no law or making anything illegal will stop anything, it may change the way something happens but they'll never stop it, such is the danger of a "free" society, someone is going to take that freedom and do something evil with it
Oh I don't disagree really, I've never been a big club goer and obviously drinking and driving isn't safe but those are pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand anyway...you could get shot in a robbery buying gas, you could be at the grocery store, you could be watching a movie...I'd rather be prepared and at least have the option of using my side arm than be completely at the mercy of a lunatic, it's highly unlikely it will ever happen but did you see the story about one of the victims in Co? She was in Canada and barely missed being caught in a mass shooting there in a mall, then two months later was killed here...odds of something happening only matter to those it doesn't happen to, I'd rather hedge my bets and carry, it's my choice and my right and I hope I never have to really use it but I'll defend myself and anyone else I can with it if I need to, maybe you might be one of them, or maybe I'll get killed like anyone else and never have the chance but at least it was possible...I have fun, go out. I am not scared. Just smart. Really, being at a club where most are drinking, some are drunk, after midnight is going to increase or decrease my safety? That's my line of thinking. Driving after a couple beers gonna make me safer, or put me in more possible danger?
I don't need a gun to be safe. I may "feel" safer, but that doesn't make it that way.
A word created by the anti-gun movement to scare the common idiot on the street...the best literal definition you may be able to find is essentially cosmetic alterations to a rifleWhat is an 'assault rifle'?