12 or more killed after shooting at NY immigration center

[poohbear]

rofl HUNTING??? that is your defintion of good??? yes i see it now.... the forces of evil vs.... HUNTING! lol u guys crack me up. Hunting is a bloody hobby, excuse me if someone's hobby gets tossed out the window in an effort to prevent senseless massacres. u can play video games that simulate hunting or just go to the bloody supermarket like everyone else. i can understand some hermit living in the rocky mountains that might need a gun to defend against bears, but in large towns/cities?

as for the off duty officer carrying weapons i have no problem w/ that, he's a police officer, they SHOULD carry weapons. but private citizens absolutely not.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: poohbear

i'm really glad u pointed this out. So, can you give me an example of how guns are used for a good end? is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? im really curious as it might very well be the most prepostorous thing i've read today, but hey its only 9pm here.

Actually, both of your posts demonstrate a level of stupidity far greater than the one you quoted.

have you herad of ad hominum? because that's all you do. are u just gonna hurl insults or do you actually have a counter arguement instead of "u're stupid". but hey i'll play along too, so guess what: YOU'RE STUPID!! see how effective that was? didnt it just demoralize u?!?

so, i'll repeat my arguements which nobody cared to refute:

1.) what about escalation? if everyone can carry crappy pistols "to protect themselves" and a guy walks in w/ an assault rifle & Kevlar body armor, should we all have assualt rifles and body armor close by?

2.) give me an example of how some guns are used for a good end?(as the guy said in his post) is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? we all know the bad ends for guns, please give me an example for a good end.

thanks.

to pwn your second one... HUNTING...

also
http://www.examiner.com/x-2879...arry-saved-lives-again
and there are hundreds like that...

Also Sandorski... please give me a logical, well defined reason guns should be outlawed... the following are not allowed..

"becaue they kill people" and so do knives, cars, swords, height, falling, heart attacks, strokes, and anal sex.
"because they cant be used for good" HUNTING.
"because i dont like them" well fine ill let that one go.

They do kill people, they are designed to kill. I don't care if you said not to use that reason, I used it anyway because your attempted exclusion of it is dumb.

Hunters don't need Handguns, or CC permits, or reasons of Defense. Hell, they don't even need Guns if you really want to get technical, but some compromise could be made there.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: poohbear

i'm really glad u pointed this out. So, can you give me an example of how guns are used for a good end? is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? im really curious as it might very well be the most prepostorous thing i've read today, but hey its only 9pm here.

Actually, both of your posts demonstrate a level of stupidity far greater than the one you quoted.

have you herad of ad hominum? because that's all you do. are u just gonna hurl insults or do you actually have a counter arguement instead of "u're stupid". but hey i'll play along too, so guess what: YOU'RE STUPID!! see how effective that was? didnt it just demoralize u?!?

so, i'll repeat my arguements which nobody cared to refute:

1.) what about escalation? if everyone can carry crappy pistols "to protect themselves" and a guy walks in w/ an assault rifle & Kevlar body armor, should we all have assualt rifles and body armor close by?

2.) give me an example of how some guns are used for a good end?(as the guy said in his post) is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? we all know the bad ends for guns, please give me an example for a good end.

thanks.

to pwn your second one... HUNTING...

also
http://www.examiner.com/x-2879...arry-saved-lives-again
and there are hundreds like that...

Also Sandorski... please give me a logical, well defined reason guns should be outlawed... the following are not allowed..

"becaue they kill people" and so do knives, cars, swords, height, falling, heart attacks, strokes, and anal sex.
"because they cant be used for good" HUNTING.
"because i dont like them" well fine ill let that one go.

They do kill people, they are designed to kill. I don't care if you said not to use that reason, I used it anyway because your attempted exclusion of it is dumb.

Hunters don't need Handguns, or CC permits, or reasons of Defense. Hell, they don't even need Guns if you really want to get technical, but some compromise could be made there.

but guns need humans to kill right?
humans have ALWAYS had a desire to kill... always...

now you didnt even give me a reason, i see no logical arguments from you as to how and why a gun ban will be successful, nor even good reasons.

 

[Aberforth]

TALIBAN???

http://www.ndtv.com/convergenc...89676&ch=44200924300PM

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: poohbear

i'm really glad u pointed this out. So, can you give me an example of how guns are used for a good end? is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? im really curious as it might very well be the most prepostorous thing i've read today, but hey its only 9pm here.

Actually, both of your posts demonstrate a level of stupidity far greater than the one you quoted.

have you herad of ad hominum? because that's all you do. are u just gonna hurl insults or do you actually have a counter arguement instead of "u're stupid". but hey i'll play along too, so guess what: YOU'RE STUPID!! see how effective that was? didnt it just demoralize u?!?

so, i'll repeat my arguements which nobody cared to refute:

1.) what about escalation? if everyone can carry crappy pistols "to protect themselves" and a guy walks in w/ an assault rifle & Kevlar body armor, should we all have assualt rifles and body armor close by?

2.) give me an example of how some guns are used for a good end?(as the guy said in his post) is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? we all know the bad ends for guns, please give me an example for a good end.

thanks.

to pwn your second one... HUNTING...

also
http://www.examiner.com/x-2879...arry-saved-lives-again
and there are hundreds like that...

Also Sandorski... please give me a logical, well defined reason guns should be outlawed... the following are not allowed..

"becaue they kill people" and so do knives, cars, swords, height, falling, heart attacks, strokes, and anal sex.
"because they cant be used for good" HUNTING.
"because i dont like them" well fine ill let that one go.

They do kill people, they are designed to kill. I don't care if you said not to use that reason, I used it anyway because your attempted exclusion of it is dumb.

Hunters don't need Handguns, or CC permits, or reasons of Defense. Hell, they don't even need Guns if you really want to get technical, but some compromise could be made there.

but guns need humans to kill right?
humans have ALWAYS had a desire to kill... always...

now you didnt even give me a reason, i see no logical arguments from you as to how and why a gun ban will be successful, nor even good reasons.

You've heard the reasons before,, I've heard the counter reasons. Yes, Guns need Humans to Kill. :roll: What kind of defense is that anyway?? Since I advocate separating Guns from Humans(as much as feasible), it would seem I'm fully aware of that reality and you are not.

 

[RoloMather]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I'm sorry, but this just strengthens my conviction that everyone should have a gun.

If someone had a gun at that facility, this tragedy would have been lessened. He might have only killed two or three people before getting shot to death himself.

Criminals will always find a way to get a weapon to commit a crime, it's up to the people to defend themselves. As we saw again today, the police are simply inadequate to protect you when your life is on the line. Dudes were sitting outside drinking coffee while this guy was executing people. If just one person had a weapon on them, they could have ended this tragedy before it spiraled out of control.

It's really as simple as that.

That's just stupid.

That's just stupid.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: daishi5


A need for a gun to feel secure is often a recognition of reality, especially for the elderly, or the disabled.

The truth of the matter is when people have access to guns, some people will use them for a bad end, and some people will use them for a good end.

i'm really glad u pointed this out. So, can you give me an example of how guns are used for a good end? is that like, forcing someone at gun point to give to charity? im really curious as it might very well be the most prepostorous thing i've read today, but hey its only 9pm here.

Here you go, I just decided to macro this since it seems so many people are completely ignorant of good uses of a firearm.

Because this woman did not deserve to be raped again just because the police did not make it in time.

The first time she was attacked, she tried to escape when she heard glass break in the basement. The man caught her, punched her in the face, forced her into a bedroom, and raped her. The second attempt occurred less than a week after the first. The rapist broke in through the same basement window as before and shut off power to her home. She tried to call 911 but the phone was dependent on house current and wouldn't work. So she got a shotgun and waited. When he broke through the basement door she shot him in the chest.

source

Because a 72 year old woman is not capable of fighting off a rapist with her bare hands, or even with a knife or baseball bat.

A 56-year-old rape victim said the armed, masked man who attacked her spent six hours sexually assaulting her, drinking her liquor and calling her obscene names. Then he washed the glasses he drank from, took the house key she offered and left, according to testimony Thursday in the second day of Anthony Allen Peralez's trial. Peralez, 41, is accused of burglarizing, raping and beating that woman Sept. 2, 2000, on North Sheridan Avenue and a 74-year-old woman Aug. 6, 2000, on Eagle View Drive. He also is charged with burglarizing, kidnapping and raping a 51-year-old Security woman Sept. 12, 1999, on Rosemont Drive. He was arrested after a 72-year-old woman shot him three times when he broke into her home Nov. 18. He is charged with trespassing and burglary with intent to commit sexual assault in that case.

Source

Because this man should not be forced to suffer the indignity of having his crippled wife held hostage in his own home.

Charles ?Johnny? Johnson is 91 years old. He has been married to Berlie Mae Johnson, who is 90 years old, for the last 72 years. At around 4pm, two home invaders broke in to their Ocoee, Florida home. One of the home invaders placed a gun to the head of Berlie Mae Johnson, who was sitting in her wheelchair. The criminals also ripped the phone from the wall, so that the police could not be called. Mr. Johnson, however, was prepared for this type of situation, and and grabbed his decades-old .38 caliber revolver.

source

And finally, when your home is invaded, 911 will not be there in time, if you believe we should not be allowed to have guns, listen to this call, and just remind yourself. This woman should have been raped because she was smaller than him, and she can't be trusted with a big bad dangerous gun.

Source: youtube video with gun propaganda


Edit: Unless you think rape is a good thing, I hope you no longer consider that the most preposterous thing you have ever heard.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sandorski


Gun Control does work. Just not in the US because it is too spotty.

Where? Mexico?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sandorski


Gun Control does work. Just not in the US because it is too spotty.

Where? Mexico?

On school campus! Oh wait...

 

[piasabird]

Liberalism at its best.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: sandorski


Gun Control does work. Just not in the US because it is too spotty.
The Perp should not have had a Gun.

Gallon of gasoline + piece of cloth, light, toss into crowded room .
Do we need to ban gasoline too ?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: jpeyton
39 people dead/wounded

That's quite a total. It makes you realize how efficient guns are at what they do.

yup, because the gun pulled its own trigger, and we all know it was legally registered, and bought, along with having a mind of its own to shoot innocent people...

wait...

Fact remains, Guns are unnecessary for the average person.

A lot of things are unnecessary. HDTVs are unnecessary. What's your point?

HDTVs are not designed for Stopping Power.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[SandEagle]

lol, bbc reports the following with no claim whatsoever:

3rd paragraph: "Pakistani Taleban leader Baitullah Mehsud called the BBC in Islamabad to claim responsibility for the attack."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7982444.stm

 

[BoomerD]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...us_newyork_shooting_13

"Binghamton Police Chief Joseph Zikuski said on Saturday no motive for the shooting had been determined, but he confirmed reports that Wong, who also went by the name Voong, had felt degraded by his inability to speak English and by a recent job loss.

"From the people close to him ... this action he took was not a surprise to them," Zikuski told a news conference.

"He felt degraded from his inability to speak English and he was upset about that," he added."


So...we shouldn't fuck with immigrants over their Engrish skirrs?

 

[classy]

All that because he felt degraded and he had no job. Sad. This is just a sad story all the way around.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
TALIBAN???

http://www.ndtv.com/convergenc...89676&ch=44200924300PM

What the hell? That would be unexpected if true.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: jpeyton
39 people dead/wounded

That's quite a total. It makes you realize how efficient guns are at what they do.

yup, because the gun pulled its own trigger, and we all know it was legally registered, and bought, along with having a mind of its own to shoot innocent people...

wait...

Fact remains, Guns are unnecessary for the average person.

A lot of things are unnecessary. HDTVs are unnecessary. What's your point?

HDTVs are not designed for Stopping Power.

You didn't answer my question.

I did. Perhaps you should answer it?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thank goodness his second amendment rights were preserved.

I wonder if the civic center had a "We ban guns on these premises sign".

It's New York. Good luck on being able to carry.

I would do it anyway if I lived there like I carried all 7 years in college. No one has the right to take self defense away.