Why would they need 'bodily confirmation' of any survivors?
Because their families might want to bury their remains?
DNA can confirm.
Why would the families want to bury the survivors?
Yep. It's a frigging nightmare. I knew some people who's condo complex had to have all the carports replaced, and bunch of other things that were due to shoddy construction. These people have even more liability.Ouch:
"Owners of the 136 units had been told earlier this year they would have to pay their share of a $15 million assessment — $9.1 million of which was major work — by July 1. That assessment ranged from about $80,000 for a one-bedroom unit to more than $330,000 for a penthouse."
Despite warning, town deemed condo building in 'good shape'
Despite an engineer’s warning of major structural problems, a town building official told board members their Florida high-rise condominium was in “very good shape” almost three years before it collapsed.apnews.com
That's gotta leave a dent in the bank account.
Last one in OKC was 10 hours later, last one at WTC was 27 hours. At this point I think it's a recovery mission.They might yet pull a survivor or few out of the wreckage but that's extremely unlikely.
They were talking about living people, thus their usage of the word "survivors."We're talking about dead people, not survivors. I am assuming at this point that all missing are dead.
They were talking about living people, thus their usage of the word "survivors."
Guys woolfe is right. If we are lucky maybe one or two, and maybe one or two who lived there but weren’t present. The most likely scenario is they are all dead.Yes, but that is irrelevant since there is virtually no chance of any more survivors. What I am curious about is why they haven't found the remains of more than 10 people if ~160 died in the collapse. Maybe they have a bunch of body parts and we're waiting for DNA results?
I swear, the standards people better get back to work. I heard all kinds of comments that, well that's what you expect from a 40 year old condo that wasn't maintained properly. I'm assuming that most of these were typically built with tension cables installed on all the floors. Those cannot be compromised. It's not just rebar. I wouldn't be surprised that after they start inspecting a lot of those condos, there will be some emergency evacuations.Really does sound quite analogous to Grenfell, just a different mode of failure leading to a slightly different form of horror and tragedy.
I wonder if there will be a similar aftermath to the 'cladding scandal' that followed Grenfell? Will lots of other buildings now turn out to have similar flaws, with arguments over who pays the bill for fixing it?
Also some condo boards are going to have really uncomfortable conversations about how much money they have to spend to fix things that should have been addressed years before.I swear, the standards people better get back to work. I heard all kinds of comments that, well that's what you expect from a 40 year old condo that wasn't maintained properly. I'm assuming that most of these were typically built with tension cables installed on all the floors. Those cannot be compromised. It's not just rebar. I wouldn't be surprised that after they start inspecting a lot of those condos, there will be some emergency evacuations.
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If I understand correctly, they're cautiously dealing with a 13-story pile of rubble (mostly concrete) so it's not surprising to me that it's been slow going. There was a fire deep within the rubble that complicated matters early on.Yes, but that is irrelevant since there is virtually no chance of any more survivors. What I am curious about is why they haven't found the remains of more than 10 people if ~160 died in the collapse. Maybe they have a bunch of body parts and we're waiting for DNA results?
Best girlfriend ever.A guy who lived in the condo girlfriend convinced him to spend the night at her place. I don't know if he got lucky, but he definitely got lucky.
By chance, Florida building resident stayed at girlfriend's on night of disaster
Champlain Towers South resident Erick de Moura was supposed to be home when the building collapsed, but his girlfriend persuaded him to spend the night at her place less than two miles away, a circumstance that likely saved his life.www.reuters.com
What I am curious about is why they haven't found the remains of more than 10 people if ~160 died in the collapse. Maybe they...
They need to carefully take apart the unstable rubble piece by piece to find the bodies. Without injuring any of the disassemblers. When unstable parts weighing several tons can instantly kill workers if/when they shift, this is a difficult and dangerous task.Still slow going. Death toll at 16, 147 still missing.
Miami-Dade mayor says 16 now confirmed dead from Surfside collapse
Search and rescue efforts continue after a building in Surfside, Florida, partially collapsed. Follow here for the latest news.www.cnn.com
You mean like this?Also some condo boards are going to have really uncomfortable conversations about how much money they have to spend to fix things that should have been addressed years before.
Looks like we can figure out the source of the sinkhole.
Video shows water gushing into garage moments before Florida condo collapse (granthshala.com)
All those possibilities. But, water flowing to no proper drainage is a good way to make a sinkhole. One of the reports above said the pool was falling into one just before the phone went dead.So the water was pouring into the garage from the floor above? Not that I have any expert knowledge whatsoever, but I would have assumed that was a symptom of the impending collapse rather than any kind of cause of it? Whatever fracturing in the structure was occurring perhaps broke water pipes?
Just saw the video in detail on CNN. The people that took the video, heard a large boom. That's why they video'd. If you look further into the garage, there is already chucks of concrete laying on the garage floor.So the water was pouring into the garage from the floor above? Not that I have any expert knowledge whatsoever, but I would have assumed that was a symptom of the impending collapse rather than any kind of cause of it? Whatever fracturing in the structure was occurring perhaps broke water pipes?
Just saw the video in detail on CNN. The people that took the video, heard a large boom. That's why they video'd. If you look further into the garage, there is already chucks of concrete laying on the garage floor.
Not sure what that implies - did they mean a boom like concrete suddenly breaking or an explosion-type 'boom'?
Anyway, I guess it's best left to the experts and the authorities to work it out.
As an aside, it has intrigued me in the past how US and European high-rise buildings use different construction techniques, and so have entirely different failure-modes. Grenfell didn't collapse the way the WTC did - which some crazy people took as more evidence for their 'inside job' conspiracy-theories about 911 - but I gather that's in reality because the latter used the US style of a steel-frame with concrete 'hanging' from it, so it collapsed becuse the heat made the girders soften to the point where they coudln't support the weight of the concrete floors, causing them to collapse like a house of cards from the top floor downwards (each floor falling forcefully onto the floor below it, causing a successive collapse).
European high buildings like Grenfell are, apparently, more likely to be constructed as a series of concrete panels, each supported on the ones below, and so held up by compression rather than suspension. That's not suspectible to the 'fire weakening girders makes whole thing collapse' type failure that happened with the WTC. But it's also why when I was looking at flats in such buildings, none of them had gas heating (which put me off, as electric heating is much more expensive).
Ronan Point (famous high-rise disaster of a few decades ago) collapsed because a gas explosion in a lower floor blew out the walls, leaving everything above that point unsupported, causing the whole thing to collapse, so ever since that disaster they stopped using gas in such buildings. US high-rises are not susceptable to that kind of failure, but instead they can fail the way the WTC did (though I heard a suggestion that happened becuase they didn't get the heat-insulation on the girders right when constructing it). Seems like either method can suffer catastrophic failure, just of very different forms for each one.
Of course I don't know what kind of construction this particular condo used - as it's not a skyscraper, maybe it didn't use the steel-frame method of the likes of the WTC anyway? How the collapse came about is presumbaly critically-dependent on what kind of construction method it used.