Not that shocking for an older high rise building.
This post explains your COVID stupidity.
Speaking of an HOA, did anyone notice the monthly HOA fee for that linked apt that sold in this bldg last week? $850/mo. Damned expensive HOA.
Building do not just collapse. Something else is going on here that will be known in the future.
And everyone signs on to the rules when they close on the house. And most HOAs aren't that bad, they also deal with a lot of bullshit to keep developments nice. Cities basically require them because they dump a lot of responsibilities on to the HOAs.There are some that probably do, however, many will levy fines, then when you don't pay, they can legally foreclose on your home. And that my friend is no where "allow you to what ever you want".
And that thing they disapprove of can be trivial, such as leaving your garage door open more than the allowed time, and that time is usually 5 - 10 minutes.
Want/need a pickup truck to tow a boat or camper? HOAs can prevent you from parking a pickup in your drive, gotta hide it in the garage. And forget the boat or camper, gotta store that at one of those self-storage places. Want to fly the American flag? Banned by some HOAs.
Look out to see someone with a ruler, measuring your grass? Allowable is 2.5", yours measures 2 3/4". You are in violation and will likely receive a notice of violation letter. ahh yes, smell the freedumb to do what you want?
Aren't you a lawyer?They've already filed a class action lawsuit against the HOA, two days after while they're still picking through the rubble to find out what happened.
June 26, 2021 Florida building collapse news
Search and rescue efforts continue a day after a building in Surfside, Florida, partially collapsed. Follow here for the latest.www.cnn.com
Where money is involved, lawyers don't like to wait. Even by that standard, this is fast.
I'd like to echo that this post is consistent with your covid stupidity.Building do not just collapse. Something else is going on here that will be known in the future.
Probably the secret documents that prove the vaccines are really ways to chip us and make us sick were in that building, so the liberals knocked it downI'd like to echo that this post is consistent with your covid stupidity.
Building do not just collapse. Something else is going on here that will be known in the future.
Until some nosy busybody get themselves on the HOA board and works to change the rules. The people that want to sit on an HOA board are the very same people that don't want you to leave your garage door open for more than 10 minutes, or skip a week of mowing because it rained, or you were out of town.And everyone signs on to the rules when they close on the house. And most HOAs aren't that bad, they also deal with a lot of bullshit to keep developments nice. Cities basically require them because they dump a lot of responsibilities on to the HOAs.
Do you actually have any experience with an HOA measuring your grass with a ruler? Unless you live in a million dollar community, I seriously doubt it.
Aren't you a lawyer?
So you know nothing about HOAs. Covenants require votes to change, usually at least 75%, never less than 50%.Until some nosy busybody get themselves on the HOA board and works to change the rules. The people that want to sit on an HOA board are the very same people that don't want you to leave your garage door open for more than 10 minutes, or skip a week of mowing because it rained, or you were out of town.
No, because I do not live in an HOA hood, and I never will.
Reasons why buildings collapse that don’t involve direct human actionBuilding do not just collapse. Something else is going on here that will be known in the future.
You have turned in your man card, and seem to be very proud of that.So you know nothing about HOAs. Covenants require votes to change, usually at least 75%, never less than 50%.
I've been on my HOA board for 5 years. Spent 100x more time on getting the neighborhood mowed, fixing the playground, overhauling the pool, dealing with the pool, fixing vandalism, etc etc. than enforcing the covenants. Also have to deal with the city forcing us to fix their drainage issues, and cleaning up their right of way. The biggest enforcement issues I have to deal with is people trying to take over greenbelt area for themselves and making the deadbeat developer pay his dues.
Feel free to find any set of covenants for a middle class family that dictate that grass must be less than 2.5" or a garage door must be open less than 10 minutes, there is probably a few but that's no where near the norm.
Also boards are elected, so if the neighborhood doesn't like what they are doing they can be voted off. Our neighborhood always has the opposite problem, people get on the board realize it is hard work with no thanks, realize that it is expensive to take care of 11 acres, 2 ponds, 1.5 miles of trails, 1 mile of fence, 1 pool, and a playground and we aren't buying BMWs with their dues and quit.
Not sure what taking care of a neighborhood has to do with a man card. My property value would be shit if the playground was falling apart, the pool was closed for safety violations and the greenbelts were 3 feet tall. Not to mention we'd be having leins put on the homeowners by the city for numerous violations and repairs.You have turned in your man card, and seem to be very proud of that.
Have friends that live in an HOA, $525 a month. For that they get their yard mowed... maybe 5 months out of the year, and sidewalks cleared of snow 3 or 4 times a year, maybe (only 2 last winter). Oh, and a pond that attracts some mean ass geese.
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Not that simple. For high-rise condos like this, the building insurance is carried by the HOA.You can't get the loan without insurance so... I'm betting it was fully insured.
thats fucking criminal. i pay... 60/mo? and that covers mowing, snow removal, and trashYou have turned in your man card, and seem to be very proud of that.
Have friends that live in an HOA, $525 a month. For that they get their yard mowed... maybe 5 months out of the year, and sidewalks cleared of snow 3 or 4 times a year, maybe (only 2 last winter). Oh, and a pond that attracts some mean ass geese.
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I guarantee there is more involved that what he posted.thats fucking criminal. i pay... 60/mo? and that covers mowing, snow removal, and trash
At least 75% of those attend the meeting. How many people attend usually?So you know nothing about HOAs. Covenants require votes to change, usually at least 75%, never less than 50%.
I've been on my HOA board for 5 years. Spent 100x more time on getting the neighborhood mowed, fixing the playground, overhauling the pool, dealing with the pool, fixing vandalism, etc etc. than enforcing the covenants. Also have to deal with the city forcing us to fix their drainage issues, and cleaning up their right of way. The biggest enforcement issues I have to deal with is people trying to take over greenbelt area for themselves and making the deadbeat developer pay his dues.
Feel free to find any set of covenants for a middle class family that dictate that grass must be less than 2.5" or a garage door must be open less than 10 minutes, there is probably a few but that's no where near the norm.
Also boards are elected, so if the neighborhood doesn't like what they are doing they can be voted off. Our neighborhood always has the opposite problem, people get on the board realize it is hard work with no thanks, realize that it is expensive to take care of 11 acres, 2 ponds, 1.5 miles of trails, 1 mile of fence, 1 pool, and a playground and we aren't buying BMWs with their dues and quit.
Seems like there may have been some serious problems that may not have been addressed in a timely fashion. Cause of those problems still seems to remain unclear, but they didn't go unnoticed.The building wasn't that old, so it seems unlikely that a failure like this could be attributed to a lack of maintenance.
And any "expert witnesses" (consultants) hired by the lawyers. They make bank. I used to work for an engineering consulting company that provided litigation support.CNN tonight is angling this as a "mystery."
Mystery of what caused South Florida condo collapse deepens | CNN
The collapse of a high-rise condo tower in South Florida early Thursday morning has left at least four people dead and 159 more currently unaccounted for. Now, as the search for survivors continues, a critical question looms: What caused the building to fall?www.cnn.com
Some conflicting opinions among experts. Maybe subsidence was a factor but probably not.
Most interesting is that the condo had already undergone three months of inspections and, according to the HOA attorney, the engineers had told HOA that they had found nothing concerning about the structure. Which is odd, since there are statements of residents about cracks emerging in walls and other similar issues. How could the engineers have not noticed this?
I sense a whiff of ass covering and finger pointing here. This litigation will end up adding several more parties. I would predict the following will be added as defendants: the original general contractor on the theory of latent defect so the SoL wasn't triggered until the building collapsed, numerous subcontractors, the original architects and engineers, the state or city agency responsible for the inspection, any outside private contractors such as engineering firms they may have employed for inspections. And more. Will be a total shitstorm and a fortune for the plaintiffs' lawyers.
Seems like there may have been some serious problems that may not have been addressed in a timely fashion. Cause of those problems still seems to remain unclear, but they didn't go unnoticed.
Engineer Warned of ‘Major Structural Damage’ at Florida Condo Complex https://nyti.ms/3AalZe7
There was at least one lawsuit about cracks in the building walls. This allows the egress of water carrying soil, which is then pumped away. Over time this could remove the soil from buildings foundation in an uneven manner via erosion.
An engineer warned in October 2018 that he had discovered “major structural damage” to a concrete slab below the pool deck in the section of the Champlain Tower South condominium building that collapsed Thursday . . .
The engineer, Frank P. Morabito, said in a structural survey report that waterproofing had failed below a pool deck and parking garage, allowing damaging leaks.
Covenants is almost always of total membership not meeting attendance. At least that's true if every covenants document I've ever read. By laws can be just meeting attendance, but they can't supercede the covenants.At least 75% of those attend the meeting. How many people attend usually?
Yea, they also maintain the roads. The problem, they also pay property taxes based on market value, which a portion of which is for street maintenance. So they double pay for services.I guarantee there is more involved that what he posted.