120Hz and 3D.. just a bunch of BS?

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2is

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Better responsiveness, lower lag > slightly nicer colours - not that there's anything wrong with the colours on my 120hz screen.

In theory, in practice even professional reviewers aren't noticing any lag on good quality IPS screens. I'll take the better resolution and colors that I'll certainly notice over lag I won't.
 

mutantmagnet

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I have read about them. What I remember reading was that it involved some sort of overclocking of the clock generator on your video card to push the signal to the monitor. Something like that and that it put your video card at risk. And it was only some of the 1440p Catleap monitors from Korea.

Maybe I had it wrong, but pretty certain this is what I remember hearing.

I would prefer to pick up a Dell, HP etc 30" panel that is sold as 120hz and just hook it up to DP 1.2a port and use it. It's not the sort of thing I'd want to do a hack job to get up and running.


Well that's fine if you don't want to manually do it yourself. Just wait for the Overlord version which is going to be afford by a Californian company around October. But due to certain limitations for having presets they said they can only guarantee 100hz for now.

If Dell was to come out with such a screen I'm betting it would be 2-2.5 times the cost of these korean monitors.
 

Gordon Freemen

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Well that's fine if you don't want to manually do it yourself. Just wait for the Overlord version which is going to be afford by a Californian company around October. But due to certain limitations for having presets they said they can only guarantee 100hz for now.

If Dell was to come out with such a screen I'm betting it would be 2-2.5 times the cost of these korean monitors.
That's because Dell would be sourcing the highest quality panels these Koren panels are not of the highest quality.
 

Borealis7

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i just got my S23A700D before the weekend and i'm loving it! i definitely see the difference in regular windows use, i'm playing Fallout: New Vegas now at around 90FPS (i think i could reach 120 if i drop more visual effects) and it's smooth like butter.
i used to have tearing in HD videos on my old Samsung 204B but now it all looks great.
i've also watched a couple of 3D demonstrations on YouTube, works great out of the box.
i still haven't used 3D in games ( i need to read up on how to use it on AMD cards).

i've used this review for calibrating the monitor:
http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/g...samsung-s23a700d-120hz-3d-monitor-review.html

this guy really knows what he's talking about. it looks great.
 

TheSlamma

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I know this is an old thread, but I got my BenQ 120hz monitor delivered yesterday. Installed the monitor using the Dual DVI cable, set nvidia control panel to output 120hz and then the fluid motion began.. even basic silly stuff like window dragging was more fluid. I went online and found some user configs for the monitor, got my colors, brightness and contrast set, saved the profile and launched up BF3.

Sorry to tell you naysayers but you are flat out WRONG, there is easily a difference between 60hz and 120hz gaming, Maybe it's just my 20/15 vision (no contacts or glasses) or maybe you have a junk video card (mine is GTX 670) but the difference is very clear, to use the words slight or moderate doesn't fit the difference I see.
 

Eureka

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I know this is an old thread, but I got my BenQ 120hz monitor delivered yesterday. Installed the monitor using the Dual DVI cable, set nvidia control panel to output 120hz and then the fluid motion began.. even basic silly stuff like window dragging was more fluid. I went online and found some user configs for the monitor, got my colors, brightness and contrast set, saved the profile and launched up BF3.

Sorry to tell you naysayers but you are flat out WRONG, there is easily a difference between 60hz and 120hz gaming, Maybe it's just my 20/15 vision (no contacts or glasses) or maybe you have a junk video card (mine is GTX 670) but the difference is very clear, to use the words slight or moderate doesn't fit the difference I see.


What did you upgrade from? And are you actively switching from 60hz to 120hz? There's a lot more factors than refresh rate.
 

spinejam

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120Hz does make a difference. I have a Samsung 27" 3D LCD and a Shimian 27" IPS LCD and prefer gaming on the Sammy even though it's 1080p.
 

moonbogg

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I know this is an old thread, but I got my BenQ 120hz monitor delivered yesterday. Installed the monitor using the Dual DVI cable, set nvidia control panel to output 120hz and then the fluid motion began.. even basic silly stuff like window dragging was more fluid. I went online and found some user configs for the monitor, got my colors, brightness and contrast set, saved the profile and launched up BF3.

Sorry to tell you naysayers but you are flat out WRONG, there is easily a difference between 60hz and 120hz gaming, Maybe it's just my 20/15 vision (no contacts or glasses) or maybe you have a junk video card (mine is GTX 670) but the difference is very clear, to use the words slight or moderate doesn't fit the difference I see.

All of this = truth.

I don't know how many times I have heard people trash 120hz gaming. Clearly they either haven't tried it, or their rig sucks so bad that they can't get more than 60fps anyway...OR...their brain is broken in some way.
 

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When I upgraded to my S27A950D (120hz) I did immediately notice that it was smoother.

But the real "wow moment" came the first time I used my old 60hz panel again. It's like a slideshow after coming from 120hz.
 

Eureka

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it was an LG W2353V-PF. I don't know about the active switching.

Oh, it's not a switching thing, I meant are you setting it to 60hz then play it at 120hz to compare the two directly?

I've never used a 120hz monitor, but this way you can actually make sure it's just the refresh rate making the difference and not just because you upgraded monitors.
 

blackened23

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All of this = truth.

I don't know how many times I have heard people trash 120hz gaming. Clearly they either haven't tried it, or their rig sucks so bad that they can't get more than 60fps anyway...OR...their brain is broken in some way.

Any particular reason you're being so angry and hostile? I've used the VG278HE monitor and it is nice; 120hz is a noticeable difference for sure -- however you have to pick what you prefer, 120hz or high resolution. I much prefer the latter, 2560x1600 is a much more immersive gaming experience for me. 120hz means I have to use 1080p on a 27" screen.... Screw that.

Of course everyone has differing opinions on this. 2560x1600 is better for a lot of the games I play (MMOs, action games) whereas 120hz might be better for someone with different preferences (competitive counter strike maybe? heh) Personally, I won't be using 120hz until it is available at a high resolution. 1080p is so 2008.
 
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NIGELG

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In my view IPS is better than TN any day.

It's all subjective so blanket statements should not be made.
 

SirPauly

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Indeed! That is why choice is paramount so one may find the product that best fits one subjective taste and tolerance level.
 

TheSlamma

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In my view IPS is better than TN any day.

It's all subjective so blanket statements should not be made.
This thread isn't about that though, it's about if 120hz is a bunch of BS, it's not. The IPS vs TN thread is ---> way
 

TheSlamma

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Any particular reason you're being so angry and hostile? I've used the VG278HE monitor and it is nice; 120hz is a noticeable difference for sure -- however you have to pick what you prefer, 120hz or high resolution. I much prefer the latter, 2560x1600 is a much more immersive gaming experience for me. 120hz means I have to use 1080p on a 27" screen.... Screw that.

Of course everyone has differing opinions on this. 2560x1600 is better for a lot of the games I play (MMOs, action games) whereas 120hz might be better for someone with different preferences (competitive counter strike maybe? heh) Personally, I won't be using 120hz until it is available at a high resolution. 1080p is so 2008.
I'll def be going to IPS 2560 X 1600 or higher when they make em in 120hz+
 

blackened23

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This thread isn't about that though, it's about if 120hz is a bunch of BS, it's not. The IPS vs TN thread is ---> way

Its a valid part of the discussion. You can't avoid the fact that TN panels have awful color accuracy and poor viewing angles -- while the excellent fluid motion of 120hz panels is impressive, those 2 aspects can perhaps offset the impressiveness a bit. I do know that is very bothersome to me to see color shift with different viewing angles.

In the end, it's all personal preference. Some prefer 120hz, some prefer high resolution, you can't make blanket statements about what is better. I do agree that 120hz at 2560x1600 would be nice, but I think the bandwidth requirement is a problem. I think the new displayport specification can handle the bandwidth requirement, maybe DVI-D as well. This will also be a problem for 4k displays - 4k displays currently require 2x DVI-D connectors as 1 does not have enough bandwidth.
 
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omeds

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120hz is awesome for online FPS gaming. No 60hz panel comes close. Yes a 120hz panel looks better than any 60hz panel in motion.

3D is great in several games, but rarely do they look good out of the box. 3D takes some tweaking and adjustment for best results.

For what its worth I favour some games in 120hz 2D, others in 3D, and others in 60hz 1440p. What I've found is theres no display that suits all games the best, some are simply better at 1080p 120hz, others at 1440p/60hz, and some in 3D. My solution was to have 2 x 27" side by side, a 120hz/3D VG278H and a 1440p PLS Samsung 850T.
 
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2is

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What I've found is theres no display that suits all games the best

True, that's why I want IPS/1440p/120Hz, though we'll probably start seeing 4K monitors before that ever happens
 

moonbogg

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Any particular reason you're being so angry and hostile? I've used the VG278HE monitor and it is nice; 120hz is a noticeable difference for sure -- however you have to pick what you prefer, 120hz or high resolution. I much prefer the latter, 2560x1600 is a much more immersive gaming experience for me. 120hz means I have to use 1080p on a 27" screen.... Screw that.

That did look angry, but I wasn't angry at all actually. I was just trying to appear enthusiastic and gave off the wrong impression.
Higher res monitors with 120hz would be nice, but I don't think they make much sense yet since most games just won't run 120fps at such a high res, or anywhere near that. Maybe someday.
 

2is

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But do they NEED to run at 120fps or is there a benefit to anything over 60 fps?
 

lkailburn

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Speaking of jitter in games. Skyrim...no matter how smooth the game seems and how high my FPS is you still will notice a bit of jitter when panning the camera around a room or next to some foliage. I can only assume this is alleviated a bit with 120hz.

same here. panning around while running inside a building is very jittery. Wish i had a 120hz monitor to test out and see if it would make a difference!
 
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