122k miles and no oil change

satyajitmenon

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On a 1997 Nssan pickup truck

Blackstone Labs analysis report

We’re anonymous here, so we’ll call the characters in this true story “Dad” and “Sonny.” Dad doesn’t believe in oil changes, so Sonny “borrowed” the truck one day and got us a sample. Sonny told his dad the truck was leaking oil in his driveway while he was unloading stuff from Home Depot (it wasn’t), so while he had it he “fixed” the leak and changed the oil. Dad grumbled and said he should have left it alone, but agreed it was time.

This is factory oil in Dad’s 1997 Nissan pickup truck with 122,635 miles on it. And you know, for an oil that’s been in place as long as this one has, the oil doesn’t look half bad. It was thick, like a 15W/40. Fuel was present, though without trends we don’t know if that’s a temporary thing or if it’s always present. Bearing wear (copper, lead, and tin) is heavy, as is upper-end wear (aluminum and iron), but the rings (chrome) are wearing well. Sonny says the engine starts easier now and it isn’t as labored as it was when it runs.

We’re not sure if these results are a testament to Nissan’s engineering or Dad’s good driving, but either way, next time you get worried that it’s been six months since you changed your oil, you can remember Sonny and Dad and breathe a little easier!

I'm assuming he at least kept adding oil. Cos how the heck did it run 122k miles without running out of oil? Gotta have burned some along the way.
 

manimal

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I would bet one of my cars that its been burning oil for a while so it was getting new oil poured over the sludge.

Secondly the engines on those trucks can take as much a beating as those toyota trucks that Clarkson dropped off a building.
 

desy

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Like I've pointed out in all these oil threads people sweat too much change intervals and being one viscocity weight out by 'mistake' and freak out like they should change their oil
Engines are a lot more reliable than people give them credit for and while I'd never go 122k miles LOL

Those 3k changes are insane because its not cheap 'insurance' and a engine will fail because of defect not the oil you use 'in spec and changed based on driving style'

I've had 4 cars go between 180K and 220K before I got rid of them , never did an oil change less than 6k miles and engine problems weren't on the radar as far as what was wrong with them, mostly just age 12+ yrs and all were drivable and went on as beater cars to somebody, I know 2 are still on the road
 

pauldun170

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Iron Duke's in a Corsica and Buick Century.
Owned by family friends for several years.
Never had an oil change.
never ever ever ever
They never had a problem with either car's engine, they would just add oil occasionally when the engine started screaming bloody murder.

The iron duke in the Fiero owned by one of the sisters in that fmaily was on the same track until it was totaled in an accident.
 
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Like I've pointed out in all these oil threads people sweat too much change intervals and being one viscocity weight out by 'mistake' and freak out like they should change their oil
Engines are a lot more reliable than people give them credit for and while I'd never go 122k miles LOL

Those 3k changes are insane because its not cheap 'insurance' and a engine will fail because of defect not the oil you use 'in spec and changed based on driving style'

I've had 4 cars go between 180K and 220K before I got rid of them , never did an oil change less than 6k miles and engine problems weren't on the radar as far as what was wrong with them, mostly just age 12+ yrs and all were drivable and went on as beater cars to somebody, I know 2 are still on the road


This post ignores many details..

Depending on the engine, viscosity can be incredibly important. On the bmw s54 (specced for 10w-60) putting in 5w-30 will just about guarantee rod bearing issues.


Poor quality oil can certainly be used up in 5k miles by a performance engine driven hard. Over the life of a motor, ~3k versus ~6k oil changes intervals can make a difference.


Oil changes are cheap, engines are not.
 

desy

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Didn't ignore it, I said ONE weight not the many you are proposing
I also said IN SPEC meaning meeting manufacturers specifications vitually all API approved oil is good enough in most vehicles
I also said driving style which covers the driving like h3ll aspect
Finally NEVER had an engine go, hardly ever heard of an engine go amongst all my friends and aquaintances, engines are expensive , they don't seem to fail
The only issues I hear are about timing belts and in the case of my buddies Focus the notorious valve problem at about 150kmiles
Like I said too much fear mongering over oil, performance cars are another thing IF you are pushing them, 99% + of the cars on the road will never know the diff
 

LTC8K6

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How would you know it was factory oil if it's been getting topped up over the last 15 years? Seems like there'd be no sign left of the factory oil.

Labortories

I don't know about a lab report that can't spell it's own name...
 
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How would you know it was factory oil if it's been getting topped up over the last 15 years? Seems like there'd be no sign left of the factory oil.



I don't know about a lab report that can't spell it's own name...


FWIW I've read reports of people sending a bunch of the same samples in over a period of time to 'test' them and getting fairly different results back.. Within 20% or so, but still off. Could be that the oil was from the beginning vs end of the drain, who knows.

I trust them, I've used blackstone over a number of years and they have reported stuff that was accurate... Such as fuel in the oil of bikes that ran way too rich, and valvetrain material of bikes that had wonky valve adjustments.
 

LTC8K6

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If it's the 4 cylinder, it only holds about 3.5 quarts anyway, I think. Not a lot of oil for dirt tolerance.

The flash point of the oil was disturbingly low.

I wonder how long the spark plugs had been in? Or what the PCV system looked like...
 

HarryLui

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Lack of oil seems to be more of a cause engine failure than lack of oil change.

How many people you know actually check their oil level?
 

MiataNC

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When I worked for Toyota (@1996-97) we had a V6 4-Runner come in with a knock complaint. It had just over 60K miles, and the oil had never been changed as far as we could tell. The oil in the pan was as thick as chocolate pudding, and the bearings were shot top to bottom.

If the story about the Nissan is true, the oil is more impressive than the engine.
 

wirednuts

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im pretty sure his dad kept it topped off... i dont see how else it would last that long. scary if he never changed the filter too, thats even worse then not changing the oil. all i can think of is how much wear he put on that engine that he didnt have to. i bet that motor inside looks like it has 300k on it.
 

wirednuts

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When I worked for Toyota (@1996-97) we had a V6 4-Runner come in with a knock complaint. It had just over 60K miles, and the oil had never been changed as far as we could tell. The oil in the pan was as thick as chocolate pudding, and the bearings were shot top to bottom.

If the story about the Nissan is true, the oil is more impressive than the engine.

im surprised they didnt wait until the car "stopped going"
 

Raduque

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This post ignores many details..

Depending on the engine, viscosity can be incredibly important. On the bmw s54 (specced for 10w-60) putting in 5w-30 will just about guarantee rod bearing issues.

Yep, with the Ford Modular motors, especially the later model (04+) 5.4s, one weight off can, and will, kill the cams between oil changes.

However, on my truck, I've gone over 3k miles on the oil since I last changed it, and the oil still looks new.
 

exdeath

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Yep, with the Ford Modular motors, especially the later model (04+) 5.4s, one weight off can, and will, kill the cams between oil changes.

However, on my truck, I've gone over 3k miles on the oil since I last changed it, and the oil still looks new.

Sounds more like a metallurgy or design flaw than any sound engineering reason to be THAT sensitive to oil weight. Even the same weight oil between manufacturers can range the extremes of the scale for a given weight.
 

power_hour

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Bullshit story. Impossible. Dad probably stopped at the local full serve and the attendant probably topped it for him. Engines are not wells, their is so many ways for oil to exit its not funny.
 

Raduque

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Sounds more like a metallurgy or design flaw than any sound engineering reason to be THAT sensitive to oil weight. Even the same weight oil between manufacturers can range the extremes of the scale for a given weight.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a design miscalculation rather than a full-on flaw, as the oil passages that feed the heads are a little smaller than they should be, and it's hard to get thicker oils up to the heads, especially in colder weather.
 

desy

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Yep, if your going err go lighter than heavier
Nowhere in there does it say he didn't add oil just that he didn't believe in changes.
It also doesn't mention anything about the filter, cause if he changed a few of those he'd have to top up as well
 
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