Question 12600kf with older graphic card

[hlexe]

İ read an amazon review saying that 12600kf cpu didn't work with an older graphic card. Had some kind of problems and had to use newer graphic card to start windows. İs this the case? Can i use 12600kf+b660 with gtx 970 until i buy new graphics card? Any compatibility issues?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Can you post a screenshot of that review?

Can't think of any reason why this would create a problem. The user may have had an older driver version or some other issue may have prevented Windows from loading.

 

[lakedude]

Evidently Windows 11 itself has some kind of hardware cutoff that is more recent than you would think.

At the same time Windows 10 does not fully support Intel 12th gen big little CPUs.

So I suspect a software rather than hardware incompatibility.

 

[igor_kavinski]

How about going with plain i5-12600? The E-cores are useless in gaming. They might help with gameplay streaming but even then, I would personally not bother with E-cores. It will take a few years for Windows and common software to use E-cores properly without any issues.

 

[hlexe]

Can you post a screenshot of that review?

Can't think of any reason why this would create a problem. The user may have had an older driver version or some other issue may have prevented Windows from loading.

Amazon.com: Customer reviews: Intel Core i5-12600KF Desktop Processor 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Intel Core i5-12600KF Desktop Processor 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W at Amazon.com. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users.

www.amazon.com

Here. The 4 star review. Also have gtx 970.

Evidently Windows 11 itself has some kind of hardware cutoff that is more recent than you would think.

At the same time Windows 10 does not fully support Intel 12th gen big little CPUs.

So I suspect a software rather than hardware incompatibility.

Makes sense. Maybe i should not risk then.

 

[hlexe]

How about going with plain i5-12600? The E-cores are useless in gaming. They might help with gameplay streaming but even then, I would personally not bother with E-cores. It will take a few years for Windows and common software to use E-cores properly without any issues.

İ will also use it for photoshop and some premiere rendering and vmware. Also i am not sure how those 4 extra cores will effect windows 11 performance in the long run thus the performance of these softwares. This is why i was considering K version.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Makes sense. Maybe i should not risk then.

That user is saying that 970 is not secure boot compliant. Not sure about that but I ran the P106-100 (basically rebadged Geforce 1060 6 GB) with ASUS H610 mobo with no issues. Get a CPU with iGPU, like i5-12400, i5-12500 or i5-12600 non-F model. If the boot screen doesn't display with 970, take it out, boot with iGPU, go into UEFI and disable secure boot. Then it should work.

Alternatively, you can make the 970 a secondary GPU and boot from the iGPU always. In windows, use graphics settings to run games with 970.

 

[hlexe]

Okey so it is not necessarily uncompatible. That was what i wanted to know. Thanks. Also i may consider getting non f if the price difference not too high of course.

 

[igor_kavinski]

İ will also use it for photoshop and some premiere rendering and vmware. Also i am not sure how those 4 extra cores will effect windows 11 performance in the long run thus the performance of these softwares. This is why i was considering K version.

Intel Core i9-12900K E-Cores Only Performance Review

With Alder Lake, Intel is betting big on hybrid CPU core configurations. The Core i9-12900K has eight P(erformance) cores and eight E(fficient) cores. We were curious and tested the processor running the E-Cores only to see how well they perform against architectures like Zen 2, Zen 3, Skylake...

www.techpowerup.com

Check the P-cores only photoshop and premiere times and compare with the last 12900K times with both P-cores and 8 E-cores. The performance difference isn't huge with 8 E-cores. You will get even less extra performance out of 4 E-cores.

 

[lakedude]

If I listened to the W11 Sucks video correctly one must have UEFI compatible parts but Secure Boot is not a W11 requirement.

I'd pay a couple dollars more for the K with built in graphics and use Igor's method.

Unless you want Secure Boot in which case you will need Secure Boot compatible hardware.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Pretty sure you have to enable Secure Boot to run Windows 11. I had to on my system.

What's funny is that my Radeon VII shipped with a BIOS that allegedly doesn't support UEFI boot and I've never flashed it, but by Jove it works!

 

[igor_kavinski]

What's funny is that my Radeon VII shipped with a BIOS that allegedly doesn't support UEFI boot and I've never flashed it, but by Jove it works!

When I had the RX 580, it gave me hell with my Z77 Gigabyte mobo which didn't have UEFI boot. I wasn't using a monitor at the time and was connected to my TV through an HDMI cable. Whether I got the display on the screen or not, it seemed to be up to the 580's mood. My Geforce 1060 3GB was an angel in this regard. Never had any display related issues. Found out through google searching that Radeons don't play well with non-UEFI systems. That left a bad taste in my mouth and I don't feel compelled to try a Radeon any time soon, even though my Z97 Gigabyte mobo is UEFI-based.

 

[Shmee]

Afaik, there are still workarounds for Windows 11 for older hardware, to bypass the requirements of secure boot, or even to install on a non-UEFI system. You might want to look into these.

 

[stahlhart]

FWIW, running 980Tis in both an MSI MPG Z690 Edge DDR4 (12600K) and an Asus ROG Strix-E (12700K), both Windows 11 Pro, both secure boot enabled, no issues in either.

 

[lakedude]

FWIW, running 980Tis in both an MSI MPG Z690 Edge DDR4 (12600K) and an Asus ROG Strix-E (12700K), both Windows 11 Pro, both secure boot enabled, no issues in either.

Had you previously updated your card? Evidently the guy on Amazon did have some trouble...

 

[stahlhart]

The E-cores are useless in gaming.

 

[stahlhart]

Had you previously updated your card? Evidently the guy on Amazon did have some trouble...

These are the only cards that have been in these builds (though I think both have had the IGP running at some point during the build process).

I'm stuck with these old clunkers because I waited too long to upgrade -- will replace them this year, though, hopefully.

 

[igor_kavinski]

These are the only cards that have been in these builds (though I think both have had the IGP running at some point during the build process).

I'm stuck with these old clunkers because I waited too long to upgrade -- will replace them this year, though, hopefully.

Can you share your vBIOS version? OP can compare that to the vBIOS version of his 970 and that would give him assurance if the numbers are closer or almost same.

 

[Markfw]

This is why I hate videos. Being DEAF, I can't read the captions as fast as he is talking.

So what was the point ? You didn't comment on your post.

 

[lakedude]

These are the only cards that have been in these builds (though I think both have had the IGP running at some point during the build process).

I'm stuck with these old clunkers because I waited too long to upgrade -- will replace them this year, though, hopefully.

Yes, sorry, I meant was the vBIOS updated?

Looks like Igor is on top of things asking the right question after my incompetence.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Looks like Igor is on top of things asking the right question after my incompetence.

I didn't mean to make you look bad. Sorry if you felt that way. It's possible that the 980 Ti's may have come with updated vBIOS from the factory.

 

[stahlhart]

Can you share your vBIOS version? OP can compare that to the vBIOS version of his 970 and that would give him assurance if the numbers are closer or almost same.

 

[stahlhart]

This is why I hate videos. Being DEAF, I can't read the captions as fast as he is talking.

So what was the point ? You didn't comment on your post.

He was only stating that the efficiency cores are not as poor in performance as some might be making them out to be, and that the general architectural concept of hybridizing core capabilities was a good idea on Intel's part.

He used Process Lasso to isolate a game to run only on the efficiency cores of an AL CPU, he and got quite playable frame rates.

I didn't mean to start a confrontation with anyone in posting it, was just showing another perspective on the subject.

 

[stahlhart]

Yes, sorry, I meant was the vBIOS updated?

Looks like Igor is on top of things asking the right question after my incompetence.

These cards were bought new in 2015, and have not been altered in any way, apart from the occasional cleaning out of dust and reapplication of TIM.

 

[Markfw]

He was only stating that the efficiency cores are not as poor in performance as some might be making them out to be, and that the general architectural concept of hybridizing core capabilities was a good idea on Intel's part.

He used Process Lasso to isolate a game to run only on the efficiency cores of an AL CPU, he and got quite playable frame rates.

I didn't mean to start a confrontation with anyone in posting it, was just showing another perspective on the subject.

Its a good point to some. I personally think that desktop CPUs should all have the same core, the P cores (at a lower wattage) I think the E cores would be good for a laptop. I don't see that there is any confrontation, except that all videos and links should be accompanied with personal comments.