128 GB Solid State Drive

Elixer

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Originally posted by: bigi
Expenisve. But this is the largest capacity Solid State HDD = HOT.

128 GB

They hook up via SATA connection, so no real reason why you can't RAID them up.

Though, I hope you don't write more than 50GB day...

# Endurance:
* Read: Unlimited
* Write/Erase: >140 years @ 50GB write-erase /day

Though, at that price, definitely not hot.
 

jayR

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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Can you RAID 5 those?

You probably don't want to RAID 5 these. RAID (Redundant Arrays of Innexpensive Disks) is used to improve the reliability of inherintly unreliable mechanical devices. Since these are solid state they are presumably much more reliable. RAID 5 give better reliability at the cost of otherwise wasted space and slower write speeds. More reasons not to use RAID 5 on expensive reliable storage.
 

RelaxTheMind

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Originally posted by: Elixer
Originally posted by: bigi
Expenisve. But this is the largest capacity Solid State HDD = HOT.

128 GB

They hook up via SATA connection, so no real reason why you can't RAID them up.

Though, I hope you don't write more than 50GB day...

# Endurance:
* Read: Unlimited
* Write/Erase: >140 years @ 50GB write-erase /day

Though, at that price, definitely not hot.

Hopefully they have something better to upgrade to within that 140 years. I think I would use it and not mind it dying in 100.
 

Pwntcomputer

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W O W thanks for pointing that out OP those drives are cool

We're all going to be looking back in a year when these are commonplace and laugh "remember when 128GB were like $4K hahahahhaha"
 

bamacre

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Whatever happened to the ram drives? Those PCI cards that had 4 dimm's for DDR memory, and plugged in via a SATA port? That would have been useful now, maybe with 8 dimm's for DDR2 memory. Figure four 2GB kits of DDR2 memory runs maybe $220 or so, plus the cost of the card. Would be more tempting now.


Originally posted by: Pwntcomputer
We're all going to be looking back in a year when these are commonplace and laugh "remember when 128GB were like $4K hahahahhaha"

A year? That would be very nice, but not likely.
 

swtethan

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Whatever happened to the ram drives? Those PCI cards that had 4 dimm's for DDR memory, and plugged in via a SATA port? That would have been useful now, maybe with 8 dimm's for DDR2 memory. Figure four 2GB kits of DDR2 memory runs maybe $220 or so, plus the cost of the card. Would be more tempting now.


Originally posted by: Pwntcomputer
We're all going to be looking back in a year when these are commonplace and laugh "remember when 128GB were like $4K hahahahhaha"

A year? That would be very nice, but not likely.

yeah we will be like, remember when we paid 4K for these drives... now theyre $1000
 

bigi

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You probably don't want to RAID 5 these. RAID (Redundant Arrays of Innexpensive Disks) is used to improve the reliability of inherintly unreliable mechanical devices. Since these are solid state they are presumably much more reliable. RAID 5 give better reliability at the cost of otherwise wasted space and slower write speeds. More reasons not to use RAID 5 on expensive reliable storage.

Your RAID definition is very, very wrong. RAID stands for Redundant array of INDEPENDEND disks. And it always has been.

It would have been really stupid to incorporate price trends into definition as expensive/inexpensive is a relative term.
 

cmbehan

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Originally posted by: bigi
You probably don't want to RAID 5 these. RAID (Redundant Arrays of Innexpensive Disks) is used to improve the reliability of inherintly unreliable mechanical devices. Since these are solid state they are presumably much more reliable. RAID 5 give better reliability at the cost of otherwise wasted space and slower write speeds. More reasons not to use RAID 5 on expensive reliable storage.

Your RAID definition is very, very wrong. RAID stands for Redundant array of INDEPENDEND disks. And it always has been.

It would have been really stupid to incorporate price trends into definition as expensive/inexpensive is a relative term.


actually, you're both right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

and the reason you'd want to RAID 5 these devices is for fault tolerance and not reliability.

Yes, they're spec-ed to go to 140 years @ 50gb per day, but is that a single 50gb file or 50gb worth of small sql writes...because when it comes to flash memory, the wear and tear on the memory is completely different between the two.

I could understand wanting fault tolerance on an array of these devices because the real world reliability is really an unknown, and I would presume that anyone willing to drop $4K+ per 128gb drive on an array of said drives would be be doing it for a specific, mission critical task.

Although given the price, and likely lessened life due to fast, small writes, I would imagine that these would be best suited to a write once, read many situation, in which case a simpler RAID 1 would be more appropriate (unless you need much more storage space in your array.
 

solleyman

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Might want to spell INDEPENDENT correctly when you're trying to smack down someone.

Also, check wikipedia for "sarcasm" and see if they use inexpensive in the definition of raid.
 

bigi

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I stand corrected. Those typos happen when English is not your native tongue....
Anyway, I give it 4 years until this type of storage reaches today's price/gb ratio.
 

dds14u

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Originally posted by: Pwntcomputer
W O W thanks for pointing that out OP those drives are cool

We're all going to be looking back in a year when these are commonplace and laugh "remember when 128GB were like $4K hahahahhaha"

I don't think that these will be commonplace in just a year...
 

Scrounger

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Originally posted by: bigi
You probably don't want to RAID 5 these. RAID (Redundant Arrays of Innexpensive Disks) is used to improve the reliability of inherintly unreliable mechanical devices. Since these are solid state they are presumably much more reliable. RAID 5 give better reliability at the cost of otherwise wasted space and slower write speeds. More reasons not to use RAID 5 on expensive reliable storage.

Your RAID definition is very, very wrong. RAID stands for Redundant array of INDEPENDEND disks. And it always has been.

It would have been really stupid to incorporate price trends into definition as expensive/inexpensive is a relative term.
If you dig back far enough (check the history section of the wikipedia entry, for starters), the original title did indeed include the term "inexpensive". As you pointed out, inexpensive is a relative term and one can only assume in the late '80s that perhaps the disk was less costly than alternatives. Over the years it seems to have been corrupted to the point that "independent" is also widely accepted if technically wrong.

So I guess by your reckoning you could say the original authors were "really stupid".

 

Googer

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Originally posted by: cmbehan
Originally posted by: bigi
You probably don't want to RAID 5 these. RAID (Redundant Arrays of Innexpensive Disks) is used to improve the reliability of inherintly unreliable mechanical devices. Since these are solid state they are presumably much more reliable. RAID 5 give better reliability at the cost of otherwise wasted space and slower write speeds. More reasons not to use RAID 5 on expensive reliable storage.

Your RAID definition is very, very wrong. RAID stands for Redundant array of INDEPENDEND disks. And it always has been.

It would have been really stupid to incorporate price trends into definition as expensive/inexpensive is a relative term.


actually, you're both right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

and the reason you'd want to RAID 5 these devices is for fault tolerance and not reliability.

Yes, they're spec-ed to go to 140 years @ 50gb per day, but is that a single 50gb file or 50gb worth of small sql writes...because when it comes to flash memory, the wear and tear on the memory is completely different between the two.

I could understand wanting fault tolerance on an array of these devices because the real world reliability is really an unknown, and I would presume that anyone willing to drop $4K+ per 128gb drive on an array of said drives would be be doing it for a specific, mission critical task.

Although given the price, and likely lessened life due to fast, small writes, I would imagine that these would be best suited to a write once, read many situation, in which case a simpler RAID 1 would be more appropriate (unless you need much more storage space in your array.

My interpretation was he wanted to put five of these in RAID:
"I'll RAID 5 of these drives together" (Presumably in RAID type 0)
 

Scarpozzi

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I don't trust any hard drive anymore. I've seen way too many failures in SATA, SCSI, etc...

I suggest though, if you do decide to run RAID on anything, go RAID 1 or RAID 10 if possible. I've had many RAID 5 arrays fail in the last few years due to poor design by the controller engineers. These are LSI logic and Adaptec cards... Normally, when more than 1 drive goes offline at a time the whole array is hosed... At least with RAID 10, it would take 2 disks in the same pair to screw you up.
 

jkresh

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Scarpozzi, how about raid 6 (still takes to disks to fail but scales better then raid 10)?
 
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