13 US Soldiers Commit Suicide

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: beyoku
1. dont get pissed at me im just the messenge, are you meanting to say the bible is a piece of sh*t?
2. why am i leberal?
3. This is the way i feel, i dont believe in war. my thought is - IF you feel that you need to takes somebody's life then you should be killed yourself. If you have THAT much vengance in yourself, that you actually will put and END to a human life yours should be taken as well. I dont believe in WARS and SIDES. How can you get a gun and KILL anothe human cause somebody orders it? What would you say when you get to GOD (if you believe). Each human life is all worth the same therfore if you TAKE you must GIVE and they just gave.
Now you tell me, why is this wrong. What is wrong with this believe exactly. This is the law of the universe, this is the rule in YIN and YANG. Its too bad you dont understand a concept like this cause you have no honor. Not many people do, your would probably kill 10 people and not care. I bet your would kill a whale for 100.oo. Yet your are pissed at me. With a concept like this i would never take another humans life unless i was prepared to take my own as well.....THIS is the ultimate sacrifice and expression of selflessness - NOT shooting people from 100.00 yards with an M-16 or dropping bombs from a different time zone. - YOU are the peice of sh*t.

If we all followed your beliefs, the U.S. wouldn't exist today. Not to mention, we wouldn't have beat the Nazis and the Japanese. What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

 

[bjc112]

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

I'd just like to interject here. One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many. Iraq was no threat to us and Iraqnot only wasn't attacking us but in truth couldn't have attacked us.

This entire unnecessary invasion was cooked up by warmongers in the Bush administration who are now profiteering off of their invasion.

And this ISN'T WWII by any stretch of the imagination.

It may, however, turn out to be another Viet Nam.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alchemize
"The Army and Navy annually average about 11 suicides per 100,000 personnel, the Air Force about 9.5 per 100,000 and the Marines about 12.6 per 100,000. "

Probably higher when combat conditions/overseas is included. It's just too bad they couldn't find another way through their problems.

Anyone know the suicide average among regular civilian citizens?

 

[beyoku]

1. i depends on who the suicide bomber is killing.
2. if they were soldiers....YES im just assuming that they killed somebody and in that case then yes i think they should kill themselves.
3. Whos side are you on, were you cheering when we were dropping bombs on iraq? What about when an iraq soldier was killed? did you say yes "we" got one. Just think, you are mad if an american soldier is killed by an iraq soldier. Yet an iraq man is killed and his family is sad. You being happy that we kill them IS THE EQUIVILENT of you thinking that they should NOT be sad thay thier soldiers are dead. THis is crazy, NOT me. Ask youself why are you pissed when they cheer our deaths....Yet we cheer thiers - THIS is hipocracy. I am telling you how i feel, im taking a totally neutral stance. - "If you are going to kill somebody then kill yourself." - this will eleminate all of the evil people in the world.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" - bible.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: bjc112
That's terrible.. And i'll pray for the families of those men..

But having a good friend that did commit suicide, i have to say that they are just plain stupid..

NOTHING is that bad that it is worth taking your own life over it.

You have no idea what they saw or what nightmares were plagued by. And you are no position to judge them.

It doesn't matter what they saw, there is nothing that bad to give you reason to take your own life.

Maybe not, but you are in no position to call them stupid. Seeing civilians/ close comrades dying are not conducive to mental well-being. These soldiers are witnessing the worst in humanity first-hand. It's not like they have shrinks to counsel them or their mommys out there to tell them it's going to be ok.

This guy clearly has a political slant but putting that aside and reading the descriptions of what he has faced, it is very easy to imagine people losing their will to live out there:

Interesting read.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

I'd just like to interject here. One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many. Iraq was no threat to us and Iraqnot only wasn't attacking us but in truth couldn't have attacked us.

This entire unnecessary invasion was cooked up by warmongers in the Bush administration who are now profiteering off of their invasion.

And this ISN'T WWII by any stretch of the imagination.

It may, however, turn out to be another Viet Nam.

I never compared Iraq to WWII... but thanks for taking the time to interject with your usual anit-war in Iraq and anti-Bush rhetoric.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

I'd just like to interject here. One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many. Iraq was no threat to us and Iraqnot only wasn't attacking us but in truth couldn't have attacked us.

This entire unnecessary invasion was cooked up by warmongers in the Bush administration who are now profiteering off of their invasion.

And this ISN'T WWII by any stretch of the imagination.

It may, however, turn out to be another Viet Nam.

I wondered when you would jump in to insert your political stance on this and take it totally off topic to make your biased partisan stance. What a joke that you put the "One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many" comment to start the spew. Yet again you disrespect the soldiers who have died.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: bjc112
That's terrible.. And i'll pray for the families of those men..

But having a good friend that did commit suicide, i have to say that they are just plain stupid..

NOTHING is that bad that it is worth taking your own life over it.

You have no idea what they saw or what nightmares were plagued by. And you are no position to judge them.

It doesn't matter what they saw, there is nothing that bad to give you reason to take your own life.

Maybe not, but you are in no position to call them stupid. Seeing civilians/ close comrades dying are not conducive to mental well-being. These soldiers are witnessing the worst in humanity first-hand. It's not like they have shrinks to counsel them or their mommys out there to tell them it's going to be ok.

This guy clearly has a political slant but putting that aside and reading the descriptions of what he has faced, it is very easy to imagine people losing their will to live out there:

Interesting read.

I really don't knoow what else to call it? It is stupid to take your own life for uneccesary reasons...

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

"WE" "WE" "WE" .............."FIGHT" "FIGHT" "FIGHT".......................That is all that you think about is where would "we" be if we didnt "fight" - you know what since "we" and "fight" is already built into the back of you skull you dont understand that according to the way i think either

a - all the bad people would have just killed off each other and the peace lovers could have just lived in harmony or
b - no body would have wanted to kill themselves so they would have just been contenet and minded their own damn business.
This is why i make sense. Becease the people that are willing to kill will ELEMINATE THEMSELVES. So there wouldnt have been a WW2, we would have needed to worry about hitler.

its like 4 fish in a bucket. If some want to fight over a worm then fine - 2 fish DESERVE to kill each other cause they want to fight and the other 2 can simply share the worm.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

I'd just like to interject here. One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many. Iraq was no threat to us and Iraqnot only wasn't attacking us but in truth couldn't have attacked us.

This entire unnecessary invasion was cooked up by warmongers in the Bush administration who are now profiteering off of their invasion.

And this ISN'T WWII by any stretch of the imagination.

It may, however, turn out to be another Viet Nam.

I wondered when you would jump in to insert your political stance on this and take it totally off topic to make your biased partisan stance. What a joke that you put the "One American life lost in Iraq is one life too many" comment to start the spew. Yet again you disrespect the soldiers who have died.

My comments were right on topic. They wouldn't be in Iraq if not for the war profiteers you support in the White House.

I disrespect the draft dodger you defend who sent them unnecessarily to their deaths.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

"WE" "WE" "WE" .............."FIGHT" "FIGHT" "FIGHT".......................That is all that you think about is where would "we" be if we didnt "fight" - you know what since "we" and "fight" is already built into the back of you skull you dont understand that according to the way i think either

a - all the bad people would have just killed off each other and the peace lovers could have just lived in harmony or
b - no body would have wanted to kill themselves so they would have just been contenet and minded their own damn business.
This is why i make sense. Becease the people that are willing to kill will ELEMINATE THEMSELVES. So there wouldnt have been a WW2, we would have needed to worry about hitler.

its like 4 fish in a bucket. If some want to fight over a worm then fine - 2 fish DESERVE to kill each other cause they want to fight and the other 2 can simply share the worm.

Unfortunately, sometimes bad people attack good people... kinda throws a wrench in that little theory.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: bjc112

What ype of place would the world be today without the U.S. fighting WWII? War is ugly, but sometimes it's necessary.

I totally agree.

"WE" "WE" "WE" .............."FIGHT" "FIGHT" "FIGHT".......................That is all that you think about is where would "we" be if we didnt "fight" - you know what since "we" and "fight" is already built into the back of you skull you dont understand that according to the way i think either

a - all the bad people would have just killed off each other and the peace lovers could have just lived in harmony or
b - no body would have wanted to kill themselves so they would have just been contenet and minded their own damn business.
This is why i make sense. Becease the people that are willing to kill will ELEMINATE THEMSELVES. So there wouldnt have been a WW2, we would have needed to worry about hitler.

its like 4 fish in a bucket. If some want to fight over a worm then fine - 2 fish DESERVE to kill each other cause they want to fight and the other 2 can simply share the worm.

YOu are so seriously misguided it isn't even funny.

a) - all the bad people would have just killed off each other and the peace lovers could have just lived in harmony or

Um, no...bad people generally kill the peace lovers off first. They are the easiest. Or have you ever read a history book?

b - no body would have wanted to kill themselves so they would have just been contenet and minded their own damn business.

I don't know what the hell you are saying on "b".

 

[bjc112]

I don't know what the hell you are saying on "b".

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

A member of our research group was just deployed to Afghanistan for a minimum of 6 months. She's a good child psychiatrist but she just finished her residency (ie fresh off the farm). Now she will be responsible for 11K troops, outpatient care, and head of the psych ward at a hospital. The part that really sux is that American children are horribly underserved b/c we don't have enough child psychiatrists . . . yet the American military thinks it makes sense to send a child psychiatrist to take care of soldiers in a war zone.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
A member of our research group was just deployed to Afghanistan for a minimum of 6 months. She's a good child psychiatrist but she just finished her residency (ie fresh off the farm). Now she will be responsible for 11K troops, outpatient care, and head of the psych ward at a hospital. The part that really sux is that American children are horribly underserved b/c we don't have enough child psychiatrists . . . yet the American military thinks it makes sense to send a child psychiatrist to take care of soldiers in a war zone.

The government/military just can't win. If they didn't send these psychiatrists, they would be told that they don't care for their own soldiers.

Not to mention, child psychiatrists, for the most part, are a joke.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: beyoku
1. dont get pissed at me im just the messenge, are you meanting to say the bible is a piece of sh*t?
2. why am i leberal?
3. This is the way i feel, i dont believe in war. my thought is - IF you feel that you need to takes somebody's life then you should be killed yourself. If you have THAT much vengance in yourself, that you actually will put and END to a human life yours should be taken as well. I dont believe in WARS and SIDES. How can you get a gun and KILL anothe human cause somebody orders it? What would you say when you get to GOD (if you believe). Each human life is all worth the same therfore if you TAKE you must GIVE and they just gave.
Now you tell me, why is this wrong. What is wrong with this believe exactly. This is the law of the universe, this is the rule in YIN and YANG. Its too bad you dont understand a concept like this cause you have no honor. Not many people do, your would probably kill 10 people and not care. I bet your would kill a whale for 100.oo. Yet your are pissed at me. With a concept like this i would never take another humans life unless i was prepared to take my own as well.....THIS is the ultimate sacrifice and expression of selflessness - NOT shooting people from 100.00 yards with an M-16 or dropping bombs from a different time zone. - YOU are the peice of sh*t.

So you think it is ultimately wrong to take a human life. You believe in this so much, that you believe war is wrong.

But when someone kills himself, for whatever reason you do not know, you come in with a smart ass comment mocking their deaths.

You say "Sad - please". Ok, it isn't sad. It's something else you imply. What? Happy? Deserved? AHA that's it, you meant it was deserved. Live by the sword, die by the sword. They deserved to die because they were soldiers.

So not only do you declare they deserved to die, you are totally uncaring about their deaths. And yet, you claim to care about life. What a joke. You practically made the argument of suicide bomber at the end there...

Jesus Christ, get off your high horse for once Alchemize.

 

[her209]

the administration doesn't give a sh1t cuz it ain't their kids out there

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: her209
the administration doesn't give a sh1t cuz it ain't their kids out there

Oh shut up...

Of course they don't feel that way, and I don't know any human who would..

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Not to mention, child psychiatrists, for the most part, are a joke.

Right

. . . you have no idea the kind of work performed every day that literally changes the lives of children. A good child psychiatrist is worth his weight in gold. Now some of them definitely bite but your blanket statement sounds like ignorance or a grudge.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: her209
the administration doesn't give a sh1t cuz it ain't their kids out there

Oh shut up...

Of course they don't feel that way, and I don't know any human who would..

then you don't know bush, cheney, rumsfield, and ashcroft.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Not to mention, child psychiatrists, for the most part, are a joke.

Right

. . . you have no idea the kind of work performed every day that literally changes the lives of children. A good child psychiatrist is worth his weight in gold. Now some of them definitely bite but your blanket statement sounds like ignorance or a grudge.

Actually, I do know what kind of work they do, and I appreciate the few psychiatrists that are truly worth their weight in gold. As for those that just diagnose every kid they see with ADD and prescribe them with ritalin, they aren't worth a darn. Psychiatry has as much scientific backing as philosophy, but at least philosophers aren't prescribing medication to kids.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Check the Woe Canada thread . . . you will find a link to Arvid Carlsson's Nobel Prize in 2000 and the various achievements in neuropsychopharmacology. I think you are confusing the psychoanalytical side of psychiatry (which has more in common with psychology than medicine) and the neuropsychiatry side (that is essentially shared between neurology and psychiatry). The psychiatry board exam is 25% neurology, while the neurology board is 25% psychiatry. Many psychiatry residency programs have all but abandoned psychoanalysis. Few psychiatrist practice it b/c the reimbursement sux plus schizophrenia and depression have much better responses to 2nd generation antipsychotics and SSRIs, respectively than therapy.
American Board for Psychiatry and Neurology

During my stint in Neurosurgery I found it to be the most voodoo of disciplines I've seen in medicine . . . not what you would expect from brain surgery huh?

 

[Zebo]

They should put Prozac in the water supply over there. It would not only help our guys but those fundamentalists.

 

[Moonbeam]

In the twentieth century Psychoanalysis pealed open the interior of the human psyche and discovered unconscious motivation. This discovery, central to the truth of human experience, is so profound, and the motivation not to deal with it so powerful that the human race, in its collective unconscious, has been trying to slam that lid back shut ever since it was opened. Thew notion that we don't know what we are doing, that we are programmed machines, is so odious, and the mechanism that makes it possible, the amnesia of early pain so powerful that humanity wants only to go back to sleep again. It is no coincidence, I think, that the discovery of the truth of the mind and the atom were made at about the same time. Only the threat of extinction enables some few to go deep inside.

Such a pity that man is such a fool. For his sleep he will pay with all his children's children. We will awake or go extinct.