13 year old boy tries to rape Mom.

[jlee]

Yeah and I think that's stupid. My friends have guns and teach their kids to use them etc but they have them locked up in safes and the ammo is kept separate. Who in their right mind would allow a little kid access to a weapon and ammo? Forgot murder for a moment. I'd be most concerned about accidents.

You do have a problem staying on topic, don't you!

 

[SkullWalker]

I still can't understand the philosophy behind buying your kid a gun, even if he doesn't have any anger issues in the past...It's almost like begging to get included in Darwin Prices. But sorry ma'am, this doesn't count.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I've already spent too much time on this, but let me just say that I view the documents as unnecessary because one thing that you learn as you grow up is that the world is fundamentally indifferent, and that poverty is a bigger concern than theoretical rights. So free speech, for instance, is a silly concept IMO. The world doesn't care enough to take away your right to free speech. What the world cares about is you being a loud jerk who bothers other people with speech. So in the US, the biggest cases involving the 1st amendment often involve the Westboro Baptist church or the Nazi party.

So, by that notion, I am kind of indifferent if you use a gun to kill yourself, but I do care if you use the gun to kill 20 children in an elementary school.

This kid has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment, though. I'm simply criticizing the mindset that seems widespread among gun owners that they're protecting from intruders. That might have been why this 13 year old crazy person had such easy access to guns, so a gun safe wouldn't slow him down when the worst home invader of paranoid dreams came knocking on the door.

I'd say that you are a tyrant's dream. Someone is so afraid of a .22 that they'd surrender their rights. That's ok by me. Let us have ours.

I do know this, that if the kid had taken an axe or a knife, something equally deadly and effective, you wouldn't have posted it here. The rape counted for nothing. The deaths ditto. It's the .22 that's the bad guy.

Oh so did you figure out how to link the two brothers who bombed Boston to pro gun groups? That was a hoot.

 

[MarkXIX]

I'm about to blow minds here, wait for it....

I grew up with numerous guns in the house. They were in an unlocked cabinet in my parent's bedroom, right along with the ammo. I had four brothers and a sister (half of them step siblings). My two oldest brothers, who were younger than me by six months and 18 months, got "Rambo" type survival knives for Christmas at about age 8 before we went on a camping trip with dad. Dad allowed us to shoot the guns on numerous occasions, teaching us the finer points of marksmanship while demonstrating the destructive power of them. The first time we shot them, we bought various melons at the store to simulate the damage that they could do to a human and that was enough for us.

We knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that if we ever misused those weapons, we would fear the punishment from our father worse than anything else. No, it was not an abusive household either. So, let's cut through the bullshit here, the kid was fucked up, period.

 

[desura]

Cabinet? Hell, she should have had that shit strapped to her side!

While making homemade donuts!

 

[Gibsons]

This wasn't in Florida?

 

[flyboy84]

This wasn't in Florida?

Came to thread to post this. Very surprised.

 

[Spungo]

Buy a .22 for an 11 year old? WTF really?

r u gay?

My dad got a 30-06 for his tenth birthday. Modern kids are pussies.

 

[NFS4]

r u gay?

My dad got a 30-06 for his tenth birthday. Modern kids are pussies.

Modern kids are pussies for not firing guns?

My dad was in Vietnam, and was a cop for a few years for the Baltimore City PD (before I was born). After that, he'd had enough of guns, so I didn't grow up around them.

Not being exposed to guns, nor having any inkling to dabble with guns doesn't make me a pussy. It just makes me someone who isn't into something you like.

 

[OverVolt]

This is NSFA - Not safe for anyone :awe:

 

[Paladin3]

At the tender age of 10 I was given a single shot .22 that I still own. At twelve I received my first shotgun, a 20g single break-open. At thirteen I became the proud owner of a .45 black powder Kentucky rifle. For my seventeenth birthday a 12-gauge pump. We had many other guns in the family, but those were mine.

Guns were left around the house, but when I was younger I had no access to ammo. As I grew up, my father got sloppy with his guns and ammo storage, but neither my younger brother or myself ever abused them. My dad once told me, "if I leave a loaded gun here I want cobwebs on it when I return". I took him pretty seriously.

Still, children aren't mentally equipped to make good decisions. Hell, most adults aren't either. I have no problem with giving a kid a gun that is technically "his/hers", but it doesn't mean you give them unrestricted access to it.

And, above all, if you know your kid had anger issues and mental problems, get the damn guns the hell out of the house, turn off the violent video games and GET THEM TREATMENT!

The parents failed to do any of the above and tragic things happened. It's easy to blame the video games or gun, but it was the lack of action by the parents that was the root cause. Nobody wants to think their kid has problems, but you must force yourself to address it.

As a society, we need to have more concern for our loved ones and neighbors who have mental, psychological and emotional problems. We fail to get them treatment and are then shocked when something bad happens.

We also need to reinforce to our young people and parents that actions have consequences, even if you have a "problem" like ADHD or something. Growing up with a disability does not relieve you of the responsibility to be a decent and law abiding member of society.

 

[sactoking]

Also kid's a ginger. They have no souls. :hmm:

This is the correct answer.

 

[OverVolt]

There was a teenager who killed his abusive dad with a hammer. I suspect abuse honestly.

 

[pontifex]

guessing a lot of the anti-gunners have never been outside of a city.

the kind of people that are appalled to find that beef comes from cows and is not magically created by the grocery store.

firearms are a way of life and tradition in a lot of rural families. They use firearms to hunt for their food, protect their animals from predators, and for entertainment (shooting targets, cans, etc). They then teach this to their children so they can also provide for the family, defend their animals, and bond with the rest of their family.

my family has been hunting and shooting firearms for a long time - great grandfather, grandfather, father and his brothers, myself.

 

[Paladin3]

There was a teenager who killed his abusive dad with a hammer. I suspect abuse honestly.

If there were any signs of abuse the defense attorney would be using it as a defense for the kid. Some kids have mental and emotional problems despite receiving the best of parenting. Combine that with a lack of treatment, violent video games and a readily available loaded gun and you have tragedies like this.

 

[OverVolt]

If there were any signs of abuse the defense attorney would be using it as a defense for the kid. Some kids have mental and emotional problems despite receiving the best of parenting. Combine that with a lack of treatment, violent video games and a readily available loaded gun and you have tragedies like this.

I agree except the videogame part.

 

[Gibsons]

There was a teenager who killed his abusive dad with a hammer. I suspect abuse honestly.

Maxwell. Went on to major in medicine.

 

[DrunkenSano]

So many idiots keep thinking this is a gun issue when it's a mental issue. Most of the crazy shootings are just that, because the ones guilty are messed up in the head. How about we fix mental issues and how we deal with them these days instead of scapegoating something else. These days, we just stuff mental cases with pills instead of fixing them. Then shit like this happens and people are blind to the actual source of the problem.

 

[desura]

Guns were left around the house, but when I was younger I had no access to ammo. As I grew up, my father got sloppy with his guns and ammo storage, but neither my younger brother or myself ever abused them. My dad once told me, "if I leave a loaded gun here I want cobwebs on it when I return". I took him pretty seriously.
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That's what I'm trying to emphasize here. Over time, you become too accustomed to the weapons.

 

[Paladin3]

I agree except the videogame part.

Violent video games have NEVER helped any kid who has an anger issue. I'm not saying they cause it, but if the kid has anger issues dump the video games.

Video games aren't necessary for a happy, healthy childhood, despite what many think.

 

[BoberFett]

Morale of the story: don't date/marry/have children with people who are into guns.

So what you're saying is that you're OK with teenage boys raping their mothers?

 

[LTC8K6]

I still can't understand the philosophy behind buying your kid a gun, even if he doesn't have any anger issues in the past...It's almost like begging to get included in Darwin Prices. But sorry ma'am, this doesn't count.

I don't understand what you don't understand. We are just from different cultures, I guess.

And times are different, for sure.

Many kids in the U.S. are probably shooting deer and small game for the table at 13. They are probably skinning the game as well.

Kids in the US used to learn to shoot .22 rimfire rifles in school.

I was shooting .22 rimfire pistols in my early teens.

No one ever gave it a second thought. Just like the pocket knives almost all boys carried to school.

I never shot or stabbed or robbed anyone, nor did the thought of any of those ever occur to me or to any of my friends.

 

[desura]

I don't understand what you don't understand. We are just from different cultures, I guess.

And times are different, for sure.

Many kids in the U.S. are probably shooting deer and small game for the table at 13. They are probably skinning the game as well.

Kids in the US used to learn to shoot .22 rimfire rifles in school.

I was shooting .22 rimfire pistols in my early teens.

No one ever gave it a second thought. Just like the pocket knives almost all boys carried to school.

I never shot or stabbed or robbed anyone, nor did the thought of any of those ever occur to me or to any of my friends.

Did you have a pistol in your room, or did your parents keep them safe and out of reach? Were the guns "yours", really?

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=3153

http://www.americanhunter.org/blog.php?id=21786&cat=62

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photo...012/11/minnesota-teen-tags-28-point-whitetail

 

[Paladin3]

That's what I'm trying to emphasize here. Over time, you become too accustomed to the weapons.

The problem I have with most of what you've said on this topic, both in this thread and others, is that you assume that the tool is to blame. That dumb human beings are someone unable to rise to the level where they don't purposefully or accidentally misuse a tool. Guns are too dangerous for us idiots to have, but you're smart enough to help take them away from us for our own good.

Yes, some people are so stupid, or mentally incompetent, or young that they can't rise to the level of competent, reasonably responsible adult. Those people should have rights and access to dangerous tools stripped from them. That's only common sense.

You, on the contrary, feel that ALL people should be stripped of those rights because YOU feel you know better than everyone else. That is the entire philosophy of the "progressive" or "liberal" party: We know best, do what we say, everyone will be happy and we will be in power. Heck, that's the philosophy of every party, and it's equally disgusting across the board.

How dare you think you have any right to tell me what to do as long as I'm not hurting other? I didn't shoot up a theater. I didn't kill a classroom full of kids. The vast majority of gun owners never have a single accident or misused their weapons in any way.

Nothing corrupts human beings more than power over others. I know you THINK you are smarter than the rest of us and that what you personally believe is the right course for mankind. But who the heck elected you grand savior of the human race? What wealth of wisdom or credentials do you have to tell anyone anything?

We will only solve our society's problems through education and teaching our children to be better members of our society. Government, in all forms, should be limited to the bare essentials so a free society can exist. When governments micromanage the lives of their citizens they just fuck it up. They can't even run a damn postal service right, so get the hell out of my life unless I'm hurting someone.

The sheer arrogance of anyone who thinks they always know what's best for their fellow man astounds me.