14,500 American Jobs being sent to MEXICO .. Thank you Hewlett Packard

[dahunan]

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=hp+layoffs

What next... will they layoff Mexicans and send the jobs to CAFTA countries in the next couple years?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/12174283.htm
After 14,500 HP layoffs, what?

CEO DOESN'T REVEAL STRATEGY, BUT FIRM WON'T BE BROKEN UP

By Therese Poletti and Nicole C. Wong

Mercury News


Hewlett-Packard Chief Executive Mark Hurd began handing out 14,500 pink slips Tuesday but he left some on Wall Street and at HP wondering about his strategic blueprint for turning around the Palo Alto technology giant.

The layoffs -- about 10 percent of HP's 151,000-person worldwide workforce -- were widely expected as a move to make HP more competitive with rivals like Dell. Hurd, however, resisted revealing any further strategy for increasing the printing and computer company's sales and profits.

``The management team for the past several months have been focused on executing the current HP. That is what we are going to do,'' Hurd told reporters Tuesday morning.


BETTER ARTICLE HERE

HP memo tells of plan to move jobs from Springs


By JIM BAINBRIDGE THE GAZETTE

A confidential Hewlett-Packard memo obtained by The Gazette on Friday confirms that Colorado Springs is one of four cities to feel the effects of the latest round of high-tech industry outsourcing, losing an undetermined number of customer service jobs to Guadalajara, Mexico.

The document says the company hopes to improve profits by moving jobs from Omaha, Neb., Indianapolis, Littleton and here to its Guadalajara Business Center. The moves would occur ?from September 2005 through May 2006.?

A report Friday in the British online tech journal The Inquirer said the Colorado Springs operation may be moved out as early as Oct. 31 and that ?employees are training their replacements now? for the service center in Mexico, and possibly others in Costa Rica, Canada and Bangalore, India.

?We never comment on any of those reports in The Inquirer,? said HP spokesman Ryan Donovan, ?because we don?t consider them true media, but more of a rumor sheet.?

Donovan did, however, confirm that the memo to ?HP managers only? obtained by the Gazette was authentic, while declining to comment on when job cuts will become official, how many jobs might be lost and whether any of those let go might be able to find work in other HP divisions.
http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1309554&secid=1

 

[magomago]

Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Focus on a career that is difficult or impossible to export.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Pray to the gods of free trade that their rising tide raises all boats. (I'm trying to remember what the libertarian intern used to mumble all the time.)

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Focus on a career that is difficult or impossible to export.

O wasn't able to find out what kind of jobs those were...though I must say I looked through those links in a cursory manner~ Perhaps just general assembly?

As for focusing on a career thats difficult to export...I'm doing something simlar to that (Biomedical Engineering I figure its hard to export the thinking part where you need to design things...I may lose my job to a Biomedical Engineer outside of the USA, but I'll have peace of mind that it won't be to unskilled labor where they get paid 80 bucks a month...)

but even that can be difficult. I remember reading how people are traveling to India to get surgeories done because the doctors are European or American trained, and the surgeory+flight+touring the country is still cheaper than what it comes out to be here. What will you tell a doctor then...pick a better career?

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't be doing anything...but this global market thing is really increasing the competition like crazy because no one is really isolated anymore~ because even in the past where you have "compeition" you have to work with your regional situation...now you can just say "fvck it" and send it elsewhere
interesting to say the least

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: magomago
What will you tell a doctor then...pick a better career?

Go to the Junior College and retrain for a Job of the Future(tm)!!

 

[EyeMNathan]

I don't understand. If all the Mexicans are coming to the U.S., why are we sending our jobs there?

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Focus on a career that is difficult or impossible to export.

O wasn't able to find out what kind of jobs those were...though I must say I looked through those links in a cursory manner~ Perhaps just general assembly?

As for focusing on a career thats difficult to export...I'm doing something simlar to that (Biomedical Engineering I figure its hard to export the thinking part where you need to design things...I may lose my job to a Biomedical Engineer outside of the USA, but I'll have peace of mind that it won't be to unskilled labor where they get paid 80 bucks a month...)

but even that can be difficult. I remember reading how people are traveling to India to get surgeories done because the doctors are European or American trained, and the surgeory+flight+touring the country is still cheaper than what it comes out to be here. What will you tell a doctor then...pick a better career?

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't be doing anything...but this global market thing is really increasing the competition like crazy because no one is really isolated anymore~ because even in the past where you have "compeition" you have to work with your regional situation...now you can just say "fvck it" and send it elsewhere
interesting to say the least

Competeing on a global scale is just the way it's going to be and competing with illegal immigrants. High school educated laborers or non technical degreed people will have a tougher time at decent employment. Bilingual businessmen, IT security are probably good bets. Medical professions should do well for the next 30 years. I really doubt that many people will fly to Delhi for a surgery like prostrate removal that could leave you impotent and urinating on yourself for the rest of your life to save some money over going to Duke or University of Alabama.

 

[nergee]

More marketshare for DELL coming up.........................

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Pray to the gods of free trade that their rising tide raises all boats. (I'm trying to remember what the libertarian intern used to mumble all the time.)

If you haven't noticed that policy has made the US the strongest economy in the world.

Yes we lost jobs that pay $10 an hour but instead we gained the entire IT industry which pays $100 an hour. Rest of the world is still trying to catch up to that.

The point is it might be a small struggle inititally but we need to adapt and prevail.

FYI the jobs of checkout boys will soon be extinct with RFID along the way I suggest you start job hunting

 

[Engineer]

Buy Dell. They are moving jobs back from India and building a new 1,500 employee factory in North Carolina.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Quit buying products from companies that think that they don't need Americans to build it.
They don't need us, we don't need them.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: magomago
Its cheaper in Mexico, what can we do about it?

Quit buying products from companies that think that they don't need Americans to build it.
They don't need us, we don't need them.

That's sounds good but where is the American product alternative???

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Buy Dell. They are moving jobs back from India and building a new 1,500 employee factory in North Carolina.

:thumbsup:

Just don't buy directly from Dell, ebay is good

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: nergee
More marketshare for DELL coming up.........................

I thought the Dell printers were just re-badged HP's???

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: nergee
More marketshare for DELL coming up.........................

I thought the Dell printers were just re-badged HP's???

Rebadged Lexmarks. (about the same as HP as far as jobs - China and Mexico).

<--- Lives in Lexington, KY - HQ of Lexmark.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: nergee
More marketshare for DELL coming up.........................

I thought the Dell printers were just re-badged HP's???

Wrong. Lexmarks.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
I don't understand. If all the Mexicans are coming to the U.S., why are we sending our jobs there?

Good point.

Actually I know of many Americans moving South.

Previously it was retirees settling at places like Cozemel etc but now many are moving there to work.

Basically what we are getting is the Mexicans that can't hold a job down there (lack of any education) coming up here now.

Free Trade is happening, human trade.

We're either going to have to annex all of Mexico or they annex us or at least have it become a State or multiple new States. It's inevitable.

 

[heartsurgeon]

thank goodness somebody is doing something positive to turn the HP stock price around..

i've owned it for years, and that idiot Carly Fiorina ran the stock price into the ground...thank goodness she's gone.

let's get that stock price up boys!!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
thank goodness somebody is doing something positive to turn the HP stock price around..

i've owned it for years, and that idiot Carly Fiorina ran the stock price into the ground...thank goodness she's gone.

let's get that stock price up boys!!

Yepo, anything for a buck at the sacrifice of the U.S. Way to go :roll: :|

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
thank goodness somebody is doing something positive to turn the HP stock price around..

i've owned it for years, and that idiot Carly Fiorina ran the stock price into the ground...thank goodness she's gone.

let's get that stock price up boys!!

I wonder how many of you shareholder value boys would sacrifice your own job in the name of shareholder value?

Practice what you preach.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
thank goodness somebody is doing something positive to turn the HP stock price around..

i've owned it for years, and that idiot Carly Fiorina ran the stock price into the ground...thank goodness she's gone.

let's get that stock price up boys!!

You just rush right out and but all the HP products you can afford to prop up your own stock. I think their computers are trash,
but I do like their printers. - but there are other brands as good or better available.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Basically what we are getting is the Mexicans that can't hold a job down there (lack of any education) coming up here now.

Not in Memphis. They come here are get good jobs, and work their asses off. Construction mostly. They get paid a good penny and, like I said, work hard. I don't know who came up with the idea Mexicans were lazy, that's a bunch of crapola. These guys start working at 5:00 am building homes in my neighborhood.

Others who speak english get jobs in call centers. I was working in market research (when I worked for the man), and compared to other workers, they were much more likely to learn at a faster pace, and do quality work. Also, they help as the company did a lot of bilingual calling. Although these jobs didn't pay quite as much as the construction.

There is a fast growing population of Mexicans in Memphis, and I for one like it. They do the jobs others won't do. Actually I take that back. They do jobs well, that others do crappy.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
thank goodness somebody is doing something positive to turn the HP stock price around..

i've owned it for years, and that idiot Carly Fiorina ran the stock price into the ground...thank goodness she's gone.

let's get that stock price up boys!!

I wonder how many of you shareholder value boys would sacrifice your own job in the name of shareholder value?

Practice what you preach.

BFT :thumbsup:

 

[heartsurgeon]

but I do like their printers

i agree..i've bought several of their laser printers over the years, and they've been really reliable and cost-effective. they network great as well.

i like their scanners as well.

i've only ever bought one HP computer..it was ok. for the price, but Dell has them beat badly on the quality/value issue.

if the stock price rises, that is actually good for HP, good for it's employees, and good for the stock holders. Would you rather the stock price fell, and the company went under? Or became a takeover target by a giant Chinese conglomerate (move all the jobs to Guaungdong Provence [spelling?])..

it's a global economy, funded by global capital, and the most efficient are going to grow and prosper, while the less efficient are eliminated from the marketplace.