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[NoStateofMind]

Is it now time for people to wake up? Or will it take police on every corner, common citizens being arrested for being a "terrorist threat" or an "enemy combatant"? :|

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Is it now time for people to wake up? Or will it take police on every corner, common citizens being arrested for being a "terrorist threat" or an "enemy combatant"? :|

USA Circa 2014?

 

[RESmonkey]

Fuck that.

 

[Genx87]

I think our best course of action is to expand govt.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think our best course of action is to expand govt.

Agreed. McCain or Romney for POTUS.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Wtf? Did you truly read what Skoorb said? He's right. You can thump your chest all you want, but in such a situation you're either basically committing suicide or you'd be thrown in prison for an indefinite amount of time. They won't say 'Oh well, since you have a gun we wont bother you. Have a nice day.'


He didn't say violence wasn't a part of human nature. But submitting to an extremely powerful authority is in human nature.

I believe "live free or die" is the phrase you're looking for. At the very least, I would move somewhere that didn't try to inhibit legitimate behaviors by intimidating its citizenry.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Do you use a debit card or credit card? How about a cell phone? Wireless laptop? Do you ever drive through toll booths? Punch a clock at work? ATM machines? If so you are already being tracked, in a way. At the very least a trail can be forensically resurrected.

The prints, eye scans, and tattoo mapping aren't tracking, they are identification. If you want to pretend you're someone else I guess you'd be concerned. For those who aren't concerned about being anyone else besides themselves, what's the concern here?

 

[MovingTarget]

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

More fearmongering here to increase the police powers of government, to trade liberty for security. Nothing new here we haven't seen in the past few years. When will it stop?

 

[vhx]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think our best course of action is to expand govt.

Agreed. McCain or Romney for POTUS.

McCain is Bush on crack.

 

[Sacrilege]

You sillynancies whine about big government now, but Specop is exactly right. As soon as some new scary deadly terror attack happens you'll all be first in line to submit more of your life and soul to your authoritarian overlords.

Look how much privacy and rights you all gave up after 9/11.
Look how easily the Iraq invasion was spoon fed to you, and now you look back with 20/20 hindsight, smugly claiming you weren't part of the.... what.... 80% that was gung ho for invasion.

 

[IGBT]

..good. if you don't like it pick another country. nobody's making ya stay.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..good. if you don't like it pick another country. nobody's making ya stay.

Are the ridiculous quotes in your signature there for sarcasm, or are they beloved lines from your idols?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Do you use a debit card or credit card? How about a cell phone? Wireless laptop? Do you ever drive through toll booths? Punch a clock at work? ATM machines? If so you are already being tracked, in a way. At the very least a trail can be forensically resurrected.

The prints, eye scans, and tattoo mapping aren't tracking, they are identification. If you want to pretend you're someone else I guess you'd be concerned. For those who aren't concerned about being anyone else besides themselves, what's the concern here?

There's a pretty hefty difference: all of the things you listed require a warrant before law enforcement can access them. It will be possible in the very near future to track someone using iris scans (I would guess in the next ~10 years based on the latest commercial products I've seen at research conferences). It is already feasible to track someone with reasonable accuracy using facial recognition.

 

[bamacre]

I always assumed I'd have to change my sig to, "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul," after the election was over.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: IGBT
..good. if you don't like it pick another country. nobody's making ya stay.

Are the ridiculous quotes in your signature there for sarcasm, or are they beloved lines from your idols?

..I'm a registered democrat. I think you deserve everything you have comming to you.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The solution is simple....

Gouge out your eyes and then cut off your hands.

Problem solved.

But I have tattoos...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Where are all the ones who say "there is no police state" in this thread? They conveniently don't show up or pass off a BS one liner and run away. Cowards.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
But I have tattoos...

Amputate. Sorry about your luck if they're on your head/torso.

 

[Fern]

It's just for convicts and those applying for sensitive jobs. Maybe the military.

These people are already required to get fingerprinted. They're just expanding the biometric data acquired from this group.

Unless you wanna complain about them getting their fingerprints too, I don't see the big deal.

Fern

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Fern
It's just for convicts and those applying for sensitive jobs. Maybe the military.

These people are already required to get fingerprinted. They're just expanding the biometric data acquired from this group.

Unless you wanna complain about them getting their fingerprints too, I don't see the big deal.

Fern

From the article:

The FBI says it will protect all this personal data and only collect information on criminals and those seeking sensitive jobs.

What is a "sensitive job"? Who decides what that is?

Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI's Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is "important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in."

How does this program help with border security? How does this protect the citizens? Our children? How does this program seem to "create" good jobs?

Critical thinking is good. Not that I am right, but that we must investigate and keep honest those in power.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Fern
It's just for convicts and those applying for sensitive jobs. Maybe the military.

These people are already required to get fingerprinted. They're just expanding the biometric data acquired from this group.

Unless you wanna complain about them getting their fingerprints too, I don't see the big deal.

Fern

I just applied for a job with a security clearance and wasn't fingerprinted. Why should this information be on file simply if I apply, anyway? If I get the job and get a security clearance, that's one thing, but simply applying? Not so much.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

How does this program help with border security? How does this protect the citizens? Our children? How does this program seem to "create" good jobs?

Critical thinking is good. Not that I am right, but that we must investigate and keep honest those in power.

I can only guess. But I seem to recall a lot of confusion about the real identity of terrorists, whether the ones in the 911 attack or others. So many aliases.

We've also had scandels where personnel in our foreign embassys were selling passport material to be used "forgeries". I.e., real US passports & visas etc but using bogus names.

Better biometric data can only help. Fingerprints alone aren't perfect. Remember the guy in CA (IIRC) implicated in the Madrid train station bombings because his fingerprints were said to match?

We've also had some woman, accused of being a terrorist, found working in Homeland Security.

Fern

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Where are all the ones who say "there is no police state" in this thread? They conveniently don't show up or pass off a BS one liner and run away. Cowards.

Those people are probably laughing at your blatant "OMG, they's out to git us!" paranoia too hard to bother to post.

Do you know how many decades people have been making this very same claim? Each new generation swears we are becoming a police state. Each new generation has been wrong. You have about a %99.9999 chance of being wrong too unless something changes drastically. We are not in a police state and posting police in riot gear in the subway is not a sign of one happening. Sorry to burst your rhetorical and fearmongering bubble but that's the way it is.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Where are all the ones who say "there is no police state" in this thread? They conveniently don't show up or pass off a BS one liner and run away. Cowards.

Those people are probably laughing at your blatant "OMG, they's out to git us!" paranoia too hard to bother to post.

Evidently you didn't think it was funny cause you responded.

Do you know how many decades people have been making this very same claim? Each new generation swears we are becoming a police state. Each new generation has been wrong. You have about a %99.9999 chance of being wrong too unless something changes drastically. We are not in a police state and posting police in riot gear in the subway is not a sign of one happening. Sorry to burst your rhetorical and fearmongering bubble but that's the way it is.

So Mr. Circular argument himself is making a statement. Well I'm sure no matter what I say you will twist and turn it like so many times in the past with many other people in many other threads. Why do you even bother to post?

You want to talk about "fearmongering" of others but disregard that very tactic used by government officials to remove rights (Patriot Act), create paranoia so they may put officers in full black armor with automatic machine guns on streets. The government is answerable to the people, not the other way around. We (citizens) are not the enemy but it is being shown to us every day that the government does not trust its own people. REAL ID and RFID passports, fingerprinting at traffic stops and any and all cataloging of who or what citizens do is NONE of the governments business. We are not cattle, we do not need to be "checked in" or "checked out" by a tyrannical and very scared government. Changing the definition of "terrorist" to include the most basic of misdemeanors, removing habeas corpus, jesus I could go on forever. Much if not all of this has happened in a few short years. Go do some research on how fascist countries rise, what they do to gain power and influence. Then you may see the same signs as we do. But you won't, you'll come back with some bullshit argument, pounding some ignorant talking point government protection crap. Go look at how democracies fell and how they became fascist police states. If we were a Republic as we were founded, this ignorance of yours wouldn't matter. Maybe you should study the differences in a Republic and a Democracy as well.

Take this :thumbsup: and stick it up your ass, your response will be just as entertaining.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
But I have tattoos...

Amputate. Sorry about your luck if they're on your head/torso.

But then I'd be the blind guy with no hands and one leg...

Of course... that would also make it harder to get into the kind of trouble that the FBI would want my retinas, prints and tattoos on file for.