1440p gaming

[voodoo7817]

I have a Dell 2713hm and I love it. Before I got this monitor ($550 Newegg Shell Shocker deal a few months ago, which means I recommend people should keep their eyes out for it again), I had a 24 inch Dell 1920x1200 and was using a 560ti. I have kept the 560ti because I didn't see a graphics card solution at $300 or so (my artificial price barrier for videocards) that drastically increased my performance at 1440p (meaning all recent games (Bioshock, Tomb Raider, etc.) play at 60+ framerates). I can play all pre-2012 games at 1440p with almost no problem (save Crysis and a few CPU hogs like BF3), and most recent games at 1080p with no problem, so I'm simply working through my Steam back-catalog rather than playing the newest games. I think you'll likely be in the same position, but at a fairly significant higher performance level with your two 6970s.

I think it's easy to say that you'll be able to play most things at 1440p pretty fine for a while. IMO, you can wait at least a year but it depends on how much playing the most recent AAA titles matters to you.

 

[TY-1]

So, I've been looking at the various 1440p monitors and wow is there a lot to choose from. I have found one though that looks promising.

Nixeus Vue WHQD 27" for $484.99 on Amazon. The specs are:

• Display Size: 27" widescreen
• Panel Type: LG S-IPS panel, A grade
• Resolution: 2560*1440
• Aspect ratio: 16: 9
• Brightness: 380 cd/m2
• Contrast Ratio: 1500: 1
• Pixel Pitch: 0.2331mm*0.2331mm
• Response Time: 6ms (Gray to Gray)
• Viewing Angle: 178(H)178(V)
• Display Color: 16.7M, 8-bit, high color accuracy
• Stereo Speakers
• Connectivity: VGA, HDMI 1.4, DVI Display Port 1.2
• Power Power Consumption: <72W
• Operation Voltage: 100-240V AC 60/50Hz
• Accessories: DVI Cable*1, Power Adapter*1, User Manual*1, 3.5mm Audio Cable*1

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of reviews on it, so I'm not sure if it is a good choice or not.

Also, I'm debating on sticking with 1440p considering that my rig is a Mini-ITX build and will have either a GTX780 or one AMD's new Hawaii cards. Would dropping down to a 24" 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, like the ASUS PA248Q would be better?

 

[Face2Face]

So, I've been looking at the various 1440p monitors and wow is there a lot to choose from. I have found one though that looks promising.

Nixeus Vue WHQD 27" for $484.99 on Amazon. The specs are:

• Display Size: 27" widescreen
• Panel Type: LG S-IPS panel, A grade
• Resolution: 2560*1440
• Aspect ratio: 16: 9
• Brightness: 380 cd/m2
• Contrast Ratio: 1500: 1
• Pixel Pitch: 0.2331mm*0.2331mm
• Response Time: 6ms (Gray to Gray)
• Viewing Angle: 178(H)178(V)
• Display Color: 16.7M, 8-bit, high color accuracy
• Stereo Speakers
• Connectivity: VGA, HDMI 1.4, DVI Display Port 1.2
• Power Power Consumption: <72W
• Operation Voltage: 100-240V AC 60/50Hz
• Accessories: DVI Cable*1, Power Adapter*1, User Manual*1, 3.5mm Audio Cable*1

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of reviews on it, so I'm not sure if it is a good choice or not.

Also, I'm debating on sticking with 1440p considering that my rig is a Mini-ITX build and will have either a GTX780 or one AMD's new Hawaii cards. Would dropping down to a 24" 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, like the ASUS PA248Q would be better?

I wouldn't spend that much on that monitor.

Take a look at this one Pixel perfect for $308 with free shipping. Amazing deal if you ask me..

 

[QuantumPion]

Pretty much if you get any other monitor than the QNIX/X-STAR, you're wrong. They are the best quality, reliably overclock, and are the cheapest available choice.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Pretty much if you get any other monitor than the QNIX/X-STAR, you're wrong. They are the best quality, reliably overclock, and are the cheapest available choice.

Overclocking a monitor is a joke. The panel o lay does 60hz so you will get lots of streaking and such.

 

[Black Octagon]

Overclocking a monitor is a joke. The panel o lay does 60hz so you will get lots of streaking and such.

1) your post has typos ("o lay does"?) making your meaning cryptic

2) unless you have ever overclocked a monitor that supports high refresh rates (96Hz+) please refrain from commenting about this topic. You are wrong, and if by chance you are speaking from experience, your experience is not typical anyway.

 

[cmdrdredd]

1) your post has typos ("o lay does"?) making your meaning cryptic

2) unless you have ever overclocked a monitor that supports high refresh rates (96Hz+) please refrain from commenting about this topic. You are wrong, and if by chance you are speaking from experience, your experience is not typical anyway.

All 1440p panels are 60hz. None are going to work properly at anything above that. Do your damn research. They will have streaking, ghosting, and various issues visually.

 

[Black Octagon]

By ghosting I assume you mean motion blur, a function of IPS' slowish pixel response times, right?

No idea what you mean by streaking, nor by term 'work properly.' My 1440p IPS is overclocked to 120hz and it is a real, functioning refresh rate confirmed by both the Refresh Rate Multitool software and, more recently, by Mark Rejhon's TestUFO tool. I have done my research, extensively...

Perhaps I was too harsh of you. If so, please provide reasons for your claims and, if convinced, I will acknowledge your POV and apologise.

Now, have you actually owned an overclocker like the Catleap 2B, the Tempest OC or the QNIX 2710?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Look at the original secs for the panel built by LG. It isn't 120hz. It comes with problems I mentioned as they are not built with that type of refresh rate in mind. The panel can only show what it can show. There are no native 120hz 2560x1440 IPS panels.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1752735

 

[Black Octagon]

No one is saying that it is a native 120hz panel...it CAN be overclocked to about 120hz, however, in combination with the right PCBs. Yes, the panel was not designed to be overclocked but it does 'work' when successfully overclocked and the benefits of a native 120hz panel ARE experienced. See for example the photos at the end of ToastyX's excellent post here: http://overlordforum.com/topic/68-toastys-expert-post/

 

[cmdrdredd]

It is the panel that displays the image. There is no 1440p panel that is made to display a true 120hz or higher image. That's the whole point.

 

[Black Octagon]

Again, no one is disputing that. But that is NOT what you said. You said that overclocking a monitor is a joke because the monitor will only show 60hz, and that is NOT true. Pointing out that the panels are designed for 60hz only is irrelevant and does not substantiate your claim, neither does the bizarre reference you make to ghosting and 'streaking'

 

[TY-1]

I wouldn't spend that much on that monitor.

Take a look at this one Pixel perfect for $308 with free shipping. Amazing deal if you ask me..

Hmm, wouldn't I have to pay import taxes on it since it would come from Korea? Also, wouldn't support for it be difficult to come by if there is a problem since it is an imported monitor?

Also, what does the Perfect Pixel Designation stand for and how is that different from Matte and Glossy designations? Those last two I know but I've never heard Perfect Pixel used before. The seller has several monitors listed, some with different input options (ie Displayport and HDMI), but the Perfect Pixel designation is used on a few and I'm not sure what it stands for.

 

[Zargon]

Again, no one is disputing that. But that is NOT what you said. You said that overclocking a monitor is a joke because the monitor will only show 60hz, and that is NOT true. Pointing out that the panels are designed for 60hz only is irrelevant and does not substantiate your claim, neither does the bizarre reference you make to ghosting and 'streaking'

He apparently doesn't know what he's talking about

 

[MTDEW]

Also, what does the Perfect Pixel Designation stand for and how is that different from Matte and Glossy designations? Those last two I know but I've never heard Perfect Pixel used before. The seller has several monitors listed, some with different input options (ie Displayport and HDMI), but the Perfect Pixel designation is used on a few and I'm not sure what it stands for.

Perfect Pixel is worth mentioning since it isn't exactly what the description implies and has nothing to do with glossy/matte that you mentioned above.
Its good to be aware of exactly what Perfect Pixel means on ebay.

Please note that, for (Perfect Pixel) monitor, there may be 0-2 minor defective pixels and light backlight bleeding.

So it doesn't mean the pixels are perfect and that term should not be used IMO.

Myself and many others ordered our Catleaps from greensum on ebay since he was willing to actually check the monitors and ensure no dead pixels. (for a little extra of course)

 

[spat55]

sorry but you must have some other settings disabled as there is no way you are at 60 fps at 1440. my card is faster than yours and I just barely stay at 60 fps at just 1080 with those settings. in fact I reduced shadows another notch just to keep above 60 fps the whole time. now please explain how a slower card can do that at twice the pixels.

oh just realized you have 7850 crossfired...

Also mine are overclocked, so one would match your GTX 660ti, making it even.

 

[TY-1]

So I'm putting in my orders for parts today and have still not decided on a monitor. The Korean panels look nice, but I'm nervous about support should there be something wrong with them and paying an import tax on them. Are there other good alternatives for 24" to 27" IPS monitors that I can get in the USA for similar price?

 

[Black Octagon]

Yes: Overlord Computer and Monoprice both sell 'Korean' IPS screens locally in the USA under their own brand name and subject to local warranty

 

[TY-1]

Yes: Overlord Computer and Monoprice both sell 'Korean' IPS screens locally in the USA under their own brand name and subject to local warranty

The only one from Overlord that is currently in stock is the Tempsest X270OC (there is another one but it is bundled with mouse and keyboard that i don't need). The is only a DVI input, which is rather disappointing as I would expect at least HDMI or Displayport to be included as well.

The only one that Monoprice has in stock is this 27" IPS 2560x1440. It has more input options than the Overlord and is cheaper, but there is no indication of the maker or who warranty would be through.

Which would be the better option? Are there any better options under $400 that are not imports from ebay?

Sorry if I'm sounding picky, but I want the best bang for my buck and really don't know as much as I would like about 1440 IPS monitors.

 

[Bateluer]

By the way, for those doing gaming in 1440p, how much of a difference is there from 1080p?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUS3ZpgMORg

 

[Unoid]

Overlord 1440P OC works well for me.

I run 90hz, with 680's in SLI.

 

[blackened23]

No one is saying that it is a native 120hz panel...it CAN be overclocked to about 120hz, however, in combination with the right PCBs. Yes, the panel was not designed to be overclocked but it does 'work' when successfully overclocked and the benefits of a native 120hz panel ARE experienced. See for example the photos at the end of ToastyX's excellent post here: http://overlordforum.com/topic/68-toastys-expert-post/

CMD is correct on this one. I've "overclocked" various IPS panels to 120hz and it does not replicate 120hz on a lightboost screen - IE, there is still tons of tearing, visual anomalies and streaking. While the panel itself may overclock to 120hz, the electronics within the panel won't support it and the image you're getting won't be the "real deal" 120hz.

Anyone that has used a lightboost "real" 120hz screen and then tried to overclock their korean QNIX panel 120 hz would see the difference. Period. In fact, I dare say that anyone who has seen a real lightboost 120hz screen and then seen the an overclocked IPS panel @ 120hz would spot the night and day difference immediately. You're overclocking the panel, like I said, but since the electronics within the panel don't support it - it doesn't work properly. There is still tearing and streaking. In other words it doesn't work properly, it doesn't matter if your NV control panel "says" it is 120hz. The electronics inside the panel isn't driving that 120hz properly.

Don't take my word for it though. Once you actually try a real 120hz lightboost screen the difference is incredibly apparent. I'm not saying I prefer 120hz, I'd much rather game on an IPS panel because I hate TN panels.

 

[jackstar7]

Yeah... except I had 120Hz Samsung TN panels flanking my Overlord IPS. All at 120Hz.

How's about we just leave it at subjective, can we? Because my Overlord does 120Hz very well. Only reason I'm picking up an XL2720T is for Lightboost, not because my Overlord is anything other than excellent for me.

 

[KyleGates]

I barely bother with aa anymore. It still does something at this res but is far less important than it is at 1080p

Just figured I'd add my .02....LOVE playing on 1440p and I too would never go back. But BOs statement really rings true, I rarely use AA and if I do its just 2x because at that res aliasing is just not very noticeable.


The nice thing being, going from 1080p with 4x or 8x or whatever AA to 1440p with 2x or NO AA.......renders any performance hit moot as you gain extra for lowering the AA!!

 

[Black Octagon]

Blackeded23: 120hz on a normal TN monitor is different from 120hz on a LB-enabled monitor. Of course the latter is superior in the image integrity department. It gets CRT-like levels of motion blur ffs. That is not what cmd and I were discussing.

Like jackstar, I went to an overclocked IPS screen straight from a native 120hz TN screen (Samsung 950D) and I swear I find the two identical in the smoothness of motion department. It IS a 'real deal' refresh rate and unless you give me a reason why I should believe otherwise this discussion is going to go no where!

Edit: for instance, although overclocking to 120hz will not change an IPS screen's response time, CallSignVega still got a comparable PixPerAn score on his Catleap 2Bs to that of his 120hz TN screens: http://120hz.net/showthread.php?157-Vega-s-thoughts-on-the-Extreme-Catleap&p=3569&viewfull=1#post3569

For starters, tell me specifically which 'electronics' within the panel do not support 120hz properly. The fact that there is motion blur does not support your POV by the way, as this exists even on native 120hz (non-LB) TN screens, and in fact ALL LCD monitors that do not have a strobing backlight.