16gb ram user experience

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sdifox

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On my PE R710 I have 24gb. 10gb is setup as ramdrive for plex vm to use as scratch disk. pfsense vm is running with 3gb, plex with 4gb. I still have a pagefile in the ssd.


When I find some more coinage I'll bump it to 72.
 

tortillasoup

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Chrome and Firefox? Yeah, it's a bit crazy to see browsers "hogging" up so much RAM. I actually like when the hardware is being used to its best potential.

You see it as efficient hardware utilization, I see it as waste. You may think all that ram utilization is great, but it's not when you spend a great deal of time waiting for the HDD to load content because you've run out of ram. I probably spend 10 minutes an hour just waiting for things to finish loading from the HDD or having memory sent to the page file because of insufficient memory. See I think 4GB of ram should be more than plenty for web browsing yet Chrome/Firefox do not and instead, I get to suffer for it. I spend a great deal of time waiting for things to load due to insufficient ram. Your solution is just buy more ram, but all I can go to is 8GB. Why should I need 8GB of memory to use the internet comfortably? I didn't need this much memory 10 years ago and I'm doing the EXACT SAME THING as I was 10 years ago. On another computer, I've been able to tap out 16GB of ram on a regular basis with just tabbed browsing. You call that efficient?! I don't! In 2005, I could have the same # of tabs open and I'd have maybe 1GB of ram usage. The difference was, back then, the experience was quick and comfortable. Now? I use an assload of ram and the web browsing experience is slow as shit because the constant page file utilization due to 'insufficient' memory.


Utilizing ram is great and all but you know you've got a bloated web browsing experience when your computer becomes dog slow because '8gb' of ram 'isn't enough'.
 
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JimmiG

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Didn't really notice any difference when I went from 8 to 16 GB of RAM. One advantage is that I can keep a VM or two running with no impact on performance.
If you're building now, there's no reason to get less than 16GB, but upgrading from 8 to 16 GB might not be worth it. It's a cheap upgrade, though.

Don't understand the obsession people have with turning off the paging file.
 

Ketchup

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Didn't really notice any difference when I went from 8 to 16 GB of RAM. One advantage is that I can keep a VM or two running with no impact on performance.
If you're building now, there's no reason to get less than 16GB, but upgrading from 8 to 16 GB might not be worth it. It's a cheap upgrade, though.

Don't understand the obsession people have with turning off the paging file.

It's the idea that the paging file is just for "whatever." While the paging file can come into play when you are running low on memory, that it's it's only function. It is also used for backing storage, as it is a less volatile space than RAM (loses all data once power is removed).
 

skipsneeky2

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It's the idea that the paging file is just for "whatever." While the paging file can come into play when you are running low on memory, that it's it's only function. It is also used for backing storage, as it is a less volatile space than RAM (loses all data once power is removed).

I know i wouldn't be running out of memory ever with 16gb,i wasn't sure if disabling the pagefile would hurt anything considering i would have more then enough ram.

I will just keep it at 2gb.I guess some games use it when vram runs out.I saw that with Titanfall and COD AW.Disabling it caused crashes but this was with 8gb of ram.
 

Magic Carpet

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pathetic how 16gb of ram us necessary for decent computing performance due to bloated webbrowsing.
That's why the old saying is as true as ever:

"There is no such thing as too much RAM". When I upgrade, I always try to put the highest capacity stick available in a mobo. I am already thinking about 16gb ddr4 sticks when the price is right. Two sticks in dual-channel should kick @ss nicely on 1151 builds
 
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skipsneeky2

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Installed the memory yesterday.

Played some GTA V and some BF4,not sure what the deal is but both games are acting as if i am running out of memory.All memory ends up cached,none is free and especially BF4 ends up running like garbage.

Hard drive goes heavy busy especially when my frames drop in BF4,i'm typically staying above 70 but for i drop into the 30's.Its acting exactly like it did when i had just the 4gb of ram in there.

System managed size of 16gb for the pagefile,custom 4gb and a set 2 and the results are the same.
 

Ketchup

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Go to resource monitor and the Memory tab while this is occurring. What is the breakdown for Reserved, In Use, Standby, and Free.
 

Leyawiin

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Haven't noticed any performance difference with an SSD upgrading from 8GB to 16GB of RAM. Still, memory is so cheap I run 16GB in two out of my three PCs.
 

skipsneeky2

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Go to resource monitor and the Memory tab while this is occurring. What is the breakdown for Reserved, In Use, Standby, and Free.

Played around with some different versions of Nvidia drivers,the latest caused some usage for idk what reason.I still had the odd fps dips and then i found out what was causing that......

Idk if the dust bowl hit my computer a couple times but my heatsink got caked up with dust quick.Usually my cpu hits 77 cel with the stock cooler but i was constantly sitting at 83-84cel in-game and my chip was downclocking to 1.5Ghz causing those dips.

Let the system set up the pagefile,left all else alone and i felt like the 16gb was a worthwhile investment.Certain spots i usually would hitch and stutter at with 8gb in GTA V have stopped.Those same spots i am hitting nearly 7gb total ram usage. :thumbsup:
 

Ketchup

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Played around with some different versions of Nvidia drivers,the latest caused some usage for idk what reason.I still had the odd fps dips and then i found out what was causing that......

Idk if the dust bowl hit my computer a couple times but my heatsink got caked up with dust quick.Usually my cpu hits 77 cel with the stock cooler but i was constantly sitting at 83-84cel in-game and my chip was downclocking to 1.5Ghz causing those dips.

Let the system set up the pagefile,left all else alone and i felt like the 16gb was a worthwhile investment.Certain spots i usually would hitch and stutter at with 8gb in GTA V have stopped.Those same spots i am hitting nearly 7gb total ram usage. :thumbsup:

Good find! I just dusted out my desktop and server today, so it must have been a good de-dust day.
 

Magic Carpet

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Another observation I've made recently. Win 10 x64 manages 16 gigs of ram much better than Win 7 x64. Both systems run with pagefile off, but 7 hits out of memory waaaaaay sooner when I memory stress test it. I'd imagine 8/8.1 to beat 7 in this department as well. Moral of the story, if you care about efficient use of your memory and still running Windows 7. Upgrade the OS too.
 
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MongGrel

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Still just use 12 myself on the old tri channel, but I would think these days a couple 2X 8 sticks would be the way to go one newer rigs minimum myself.
 

Magic Carpet

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Still just use 12 myself on the old tri channel, but I would think these days a couple 2X 8 sticks would be the way to go one newer rigs minimum myself.
I upgraded one of the X58 systems with 3 x 8 gb sticks and it runs them so beautifully (~1600 CL8). Definitely 24 > 12.
 

MongGrel

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Still just use 12 gig of these with the X5680, seems to scale pretty well OCing the thing around 4.6

Haven't really felt the need to put more in myself I guess.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7T-12GBRH

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231405

Has some pretty nice timings on it.

The RAM itself is OC'd pretty well over 1333, with those 7-7-7-21 timings.

I'm a bit of a GSkill fanboi these days, but haven't rebuilt much lately anyways I guess, and still have some Corsair and a really oddball set of OCZ in a couple others.

The Egg even sold this OCZ DDR2 once, at the time, and they were limited to one per customer. 5-5-5-18 , they sold out and never were restocked. They are still in the wife's Q9650, just one of the weird old things around here.

OCZ Blade Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1200 (PC2 9600) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ2B1200LV4GK

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227455
 
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mikeymikec

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The only difference I have noticed when changing from 4 to 12GB RAM is that StarCraft 2 LotV has stopped complaining about lack of memory (running Win7).

NB: I'm not saying "no-one needs more than xGB RAM"... that's just silly. I was responding to this:

16gb is the absolute minimum these days for ANY performance* user. So the question is, do you consider yourself a performance user?

*So you can have your swap file disabled and get extra performance gains from that.

Otherwise, 8gb is enough for general usage.
 
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Magic Carpet

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I still have yet to go over 7GB even while gaming and multi-tasking.
Yeah, it greatly varies how you multi-task and what apps you use. Personally, I don't like closing tabs much in Chrome, that alone can take up close to 10 gigs of ram (~1oo tabs or so), easily for me. Heh.

And then memory leaks kick in, so it's always nice to have extra ram just in case. Considering how it's gotten cheaper over the past two years.
 
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With 8GB, I would get out of memory errors on Windows 10, while playing SWTOR with Firefox open.

With 16GB, I do not.

The only user experience I want is my computer doing WTF I tell it to. No arguments. I have that again.
 

jimbob200521

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Been running 6gb DDR3 (3x2gb) from when I built this computer, no issues thus far. I have come close to maxing it out once or twice but never had an issues. I may be picking up a dirt cheap ($10 from a buddy) 3x1gb kit to take me to 9gb but I don't expect it to do much for me. I primarily don't game so that's a big factor. I will do occasional video encoding, Chrome with lots of tabs open, but beyond that that's it.

My laptop has 4gb of RAM and I have debated going to 6gb or 8gb as there are times it could use it even just web browsing with multiple tabs open and an HD video playing. If I relied on it more or used it for more than browsing I would upgrade for sure. My work PC, on the other hand, has a pathetic 2gb of RAM and if I open more than 2 or 3 tabs or try to keep my email open while Chrome is open the PC has a damn heart attack. I'm surprised the hard drive hasn't said f&ck this, I'm out yet. I hate my work computer so bad but that's another topic for another day.
 

Zodiark1593

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Been running 6gb DDR3 (3x2gb) from when I built this computer, no issues thus far. I have come close to maxing it out once or twice but never had an issues. I may be picking up a dirt cheap ($10 from a buddy) 3x1gb kit to take me to 9gb but I don't expect it to do much for me. I primarily don't game so that's a big factor. I will do occasional video encoding, Chrome with lots of tabs open, but beyond that that's it.

My laptop has 4gb of RAM and I have debated going to 6gb or 8gb as there are times it could use it even just web browsing with multiple tabs open and an HD video playing. If I relied on it more or used it for more than browsing I would upgrade for sure. My work PC, on the other hand, has a pathetic 2gb of RAM and if I open more than 2 or 3 tabs or try to keep my email open while Chrome is open the PC has a damn heart attack. I'm surprised the hard drive hasn't said f&ck this, I'm out yet. I hate my work computer so bad but that's another topic for another day.

And lemme guess, your work PC probably has some overkill i5 or another quad that will never be fully utilized either.

Similar story with the work pcs here too, though at 4 GB of RAM, it's somewhat less dire. Still, why buisnesses haven't jumped on SSDs in 2016 (when network drives house the important stuff) is well beyond me.
 

jimbob200521

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And lemme guess, your work PC probably has some overkill i5 or another quad that will never be fully utilized either.

Similar story with the work pcs here too, though at 4 GB of RAM, it's somewhat less dire. Still, why buisnesses haven't jumped on SSDs in 2016 (when network drives house the important stuff) is well beyond me.

Nah, C2D E7500 (2.93ghz). All of our machines here are from original construction back in 2009 except mine which was purchased a year or two later. So, most people around here have some old dual core AMD in their machines so it could be worse. I remember not too long ago when we all upgraded to Windows 7 they had some computer advisor come in and check out the PC's to make sure they could handle Windows 7. Most of them (except mine) had 1gb of RAM in them and they were forcefully upgraded to 2gb just so they could get by with the new OS. Everyone hates their computers here, I could go on but I digress. But weirdest of all our receptionist just got a computer from corporate and it's Pentium G3220 with 4gb of RAM and she types in word all day, talk about relative overkill. Anywho, hope that addresses your thought hah
 

bradly1101

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From what I've seen checking an always on resource monitor, large dynamic page files exist alongside RAM that is not nearly full. I'm not familiar with how or why this would be done, but clearly some programs are loading up V-RAM before they run out of RAM. It has been said before that the technology knows how to manage this better than we do.

I know the goal is to put all that in faster RAM, but in operation that access isn't needed, and won't make up for other weaknesses in the system. The default works best and if the page file is on an SSD with 16GB RAM you'll get great performance.
 

nerp

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I have 8 in my new Skylake build. Seems perfectly good enough for what I do.

Still just ordered 8gb more, anyway.
 
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