16X SLI - the end of jaggies

[suklee]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SonicIce
oh and rollo, :camera:'s?

Done.

Screenshots

Not working for me in IE and FF. anyone else? can't zoom in, only see thumbnails.

 

[fstime]

I can zoom in fine.

 

[IamTHEsnake]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I hope cards that are twice as fast as these come out tomorrow, and I hope they cost $10 a piece. Know why?

Because I'm not stupid enough to care if I have the fastest rig on the board, or how long what I paid seems like a good price.

I would never let you be my financial advisor. If what you say is true... you suck at shopping/ business.

 

[CP5670]

I tried out 16x a while ago on my 6800GT, although it only ran smooth at 800x600 in games that were a few years old. I couldn't tell any difference from 8x and 4xS was very close, so I can't see much point to it at the moment.

 

[Jeff7181]

Good effort, Rollo. It's a shame we can't really discuss your experience here. Nonetheless, thanks for the screenshots, they look amazing.

 

[BFG10K]

how do i get 16xAA?

You can use something like Riva Tuner or nHancer.

 

[biostud]

After 4xAA it doesn't improve gameplay for me. The new AA mode from nvidia is nice though.

 

[BFG10K]

The xS modes are great for old games because they AA everything including alpha textures.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
From what I can tell, the only difference in ATI multi GPU rendering is now the tiling (an inefficient form of SLI one of nVidia's driver programmers told me they rejected early on)

Guess they should've looked at it a bit closer.

One thing that works well right now is SuperTiling. Except for some random display corruption when switching modes, SuperTiling looked alright and ran with good speed.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: IamTHEsnake

Originally posted by: Rollo

I hope cards that are twice as fast as these come out tomorrow, and I hope they cost $10 a piece. Know why?

Because I'm not stupid enough to care if I have the fastest rig on the board, or how long what I paid seems like a good price.

I would never let you be my financial advisor. If what you say is true... you suck at shopping/ business.

:roll:

If what you say is true, you need to look at your values.

A. This isn't business, there's no profit to be made in buying computer hardware.

B. Only a very small man would begrudge others their good fortune.

C. Only a very small man cares if he has the "best" of a material possession, and for how long.


It can truly be said that no matter what you pay for a video card, it's going to be cheaper at some point in the near future. What is the point of worrying about the money you could have saved? Does it get you the money? No. Could you have bought the card at some point where it will never cost less? Maybe, but it will be pretty old by then. If you buy it at any point between brand new and real old, you've made a value judgement as to how much it's worth to you to have the card sooner rather than later. To you, a 7800GTX might be worth $500, tops. To another guy, $400. Does either of you "suck at business" because you've placed a different value on owning the card? No. I'm guessing you're pretty young, your viewpoint on this is sort of immature. (there's nothing wrong with being young, but you'll be amazed how much your perception changes)



I'm enjoying playing with these cards at settings I could not have used with my 6800GT SLIs. If cards come out tomorrow that are 20% faster, I'll still be enjoying these cards at settings higher than I could have run with my 6800GT SLI set.

You are in for a bitter life if you this is your philosophy. Someone will always have a better computer than you, a prettier wife, a nicer house, a better car. I'd prefer to enjoy what I have than second guess myself all day and whine about the deal that got away.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Good effort, Rollo. It's a shame we can't really discuss your experience here. Nonetheless, thanks for the screenshots, they look amazing.

Thanks. I've never really used above 4XAA, I have to admit it looks pretty nice. It also definitely adds a lot to the SLI "value" IMO if you play older games at all that already run lightning fast at pretty high settings.

 

[Acanthus]

This is another checkmark feature for me, at 16x12 i cant tell the difference between 4xS and 8xS.

I generally run quincux.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I'm amazed, we are still on the first page and already a flame war is happening.

Yeah it was pretty criminal of me to post my first experiences with the new SLI AA. I can see why that would anger people on a video card forum.

:roll:

i think people just dont like you for some reason

 

[Munky]

An nvidia engineer talking about ati's supertiling being inefficient is like a GM engineer talking how German cars are a hype. I'll believe it when I see it, and based on Anands initial review today, it doesnt look any less efficient than nvidia's sli.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Good effort, Rollo. It's a shame we can't really discuss your experience here. Nonetheless, thanks for the screenshots, they look amazing.

Thanks. I've never really used above 4XAA, I have to admit it looks pretty nice. It also definitely adds a lot to the SLI "value" IMO if you play older games at all that already run lightning fast at pretty high settings.

Exactly. I'd love to be able to play Soldier of Fortune 2 multiplayer at 1280x960 with 16XAA and 16XAF. Right now I can do 4XAA and 16XAF, but 8XAA slows down way too much even with that old game that uses the Quake 3 engine.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Rollo
What is not factual information about what you quoted?

1.nVidia doesn't have tiling, an nV engineer told me they rejected it early on due to it not being a good form of SLI.

Originally posted by: Rollo
the only difference in ATI multi GPU rendering is now the tiling (an inefficient form of SLI one of nVidia's driver programmers told me they rejected early on[/b]) and ATI has two defaults for non-profiled games instead of one.
(and of course availability)

I don't think the bolded part has been proven to be factual. I'm sure you'll forgive us if at this point we don't take either IHV's word about the other's hardware--or even their own.

As for inefficiency, I think ATI's been doing supertiling with their multi-chip solutions for some time, so it shouldn't be too new to them.

Anyway, back on-topic, it's nice to see more higher-IQ modes being offered. The next step is offering GF4-level AF!

 

[CP5670]

yeah, the AF on my old Geforce3 looked better than anything I've seen on modern cards. Too bad it had a big performance hit back then.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: Rollo
You are in for a bitter life if you this is your philosophy. Someone will always have a better computer than you, a prettier wife, a nicer house, a better car. I'd prefer to enjoy what I have than second guess myself all day and whine about the deal that got away.

Well said.

Oh, and thanks for the highlight and screenshots.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: Rollo
What is not factual information about what you quoted?

1.nVidia doesn't have tiling, an nV engineer told me they rejected it early on due to it not being a good form of SLI.

Originally posted by: Rollo
the only difference in ATI multi GPU rendering is now the tiling (an inefficient form of SLI one of nVidia's driver programmers told me they rejected early on[/b]) and ATI has two defaults for non-profiled games instead of one.
(and of course availability)

I don't think the bolded part has been proven to be factual. I'm sure you'll forgive us if at this point we don't take either IHV's word about the other's hardware--or even their own.

But you have to give Rollo credit for his diligence in highlighting possable flaws with ATI while patting Nvidia on the back at the same time. Not to mention his whole 'ATI is good enough for my child' cracks really set the tone for a good flamewar, don't you think?

 

[imported_X]

Rollo sometimes has some good things to say, but like many others I get sick of the constant ATI bashing. It makes me question what he says about Nvidia, knowing how biased he appears to be.

Why can't people just accept that both companies are great, and promote whatever card happens to rock at the time? The fanboi mentality is so juvenile, and is ultimately self-defeating.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I agree. Rollo actually have the hardware, the personal experience unlike you people who just whine. It could be becasue of jealously, i dont know, but if i had the cash to spend heaps on PC hardware i would defitentely buy the latest end.

I actually read the whole interview, it was quite a while ago, but the nvidia engineer talked about why Nvidia simply chose SFR and AFR, why supertiling was ineffective (due to perforamnce loss of GPUs rendering over the suggested sqaure, e.g erendering over the line), why the connector was needed, and etc.

And anyhow SLi is different to 3DFX SLi.

Not really. SLI was borrowed from 3dfx SLI. NVidia ADDED things like AFR and SFR. SFR was really just a retooled scanline method.

If you look at ATI's MAXX solution, it has been a primarily AFR solution. If you build a multi gpu solution with from AFR and then back down, you will have better results than if you build your way up to AFR. SLI needs some improvement but I'm sure NV will continue reworking the AFR capabilities.

Crossfire technology is definitely superior to SLI. That's like a no contest. IF you don't believe it, look at how the % increase over 1 card is greater than the % increase for SLI.

But in any case, we should all be mad in some way that ATI took forever to get this out their door. So whether you're a fanboy of either company, you need to admit that Crossfire is great technology. It's just that ATI hasn't done the best job in competition.

Now on to R520...

 

[T9D]

Man that looks super smooth. I didn't think it would look that good. Still looked kind of jaggy on the reviews. Of course both those games you played are totally boxy games so that probably helped.

 

[BlackAdam]

Trying to prove a point about image quality yet compressing the hell out of your pictures... not really gonna help.

 

[Gamingphreek]

YOu people look for a reason to whine an dcomplain dont you.

He simply quoted an Nvidia engineer. It wasn't his opinion. That is the only thing he said that was questionable, yet you a$$hats jump on him for everything. Instead of coming in here and ruining a thread for the people who do want to talk about it, either:
A. Dont come in the thread
B. Stop the damn flaming.

As i said earlier. Im getting sick and tired of having to scroll through flamewar after flamewar to rad an OT discussion.

-Kevin

 

[Rankor]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I'm amazed, we are still on the first page and already a flame war is happening.

I'm impressed that it started from the third post.