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EagleKeeper

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Incorrect. That in itself is not enough circumstantial evidence to provide reasonable doubt. If the defense tries to point to that as an attempt by McBride to gain unlawful entry, the prosecution is going to rightfully ask that the defense show that McBride was the one to pop out the screen and prove it wasn't popped out before she arrived. If the defense can't prove that, the evidence will more than likely be stricken and never make it into trial during an evidence hearing which usually takes places beforehand.

I would think:
When using the screen in arguments vs evidence; the defense can create reasonable doubt without having to prove that McBride did anything.

Also, they could call anyone that had been to the front door recently to state that the screen was intact. Again generating doubt.
 

tgferg67

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Of course it doesn't make any sense to you as you've already made up your mind that the homeowner is guilty.

When I was young and my parents didn't have a air conditioner they would leave the storm door open with the screen door locked and place a fan to pull the hot air out of the house. Having windows open throughout the house would allow cooler air to be pulled in.

Would your agree it it would be less likely for him to have his door open since he lives next to a 4 lane highway(noise) and the house has an AC unit(he isn't roughing it)?
 

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Would your agree it it would be less likely for him to have his door open since he lives next to a 4 lane highway(noise) and the house has an AC unit(he isn't roughing it)?

What 4 lane highway? I see a street with 2 lanes on either side for a couple of blocks. What is the real traffic flow? Specially on a Friday evening.

Many people turn off their AC once it starts getting cool to save electricity/lower their electric bill. That's why they open windows and possibly doors to allow air flow through the house.
 
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Given the state of decay Detroit is in, I'd shoot first and ask questions later.

Exactly right.

The police response in Wayne county is pretty much non-existent.


And spare me the 'oh it was a great area'. People go from the slums to these decent areas to do their home invasions and robberies.
 

tgferg67

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What 4 lane highway? I see a street with 2 lanes on either side for a couple of blocks. What is the real traffic flow? Specially on a Friday evening.

Many people turn off their AC once it starts getting cool to save electricity/lower their electric bill. That's why they open windows and possibly doors to allow air flow through the house.

Outer Drive is not a residential street, it's a main road. Its a 4 lane road - it just has a median in those couple of blocks you mention.
 

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Outer Drive is not a residential street, it's a main road. Its a 4 lane road - it just has a median in those couple of blocks you mention.

A main road that has a 35mph limit?


Wiki:
The speed limit on Outer Drive is at most 35 mph (56 km/h);
 
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EagleKeeper

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Dearborn Heights is not Detroit.
Two minutes after the initial dispatch, an officer reported: &#8220;Rescue 10 is on scene.&#8221;
www.detroitnews.com/article/20131112/METRO01/311120086#ixzz2kx4CtVrR

Given that the shooter was from the Detroit area and Detroit is known for it speedy response
According to information released by Detroit police, the accident occurred just before 1 a.m. Nov. 2, and Detroit&#8217;s emergency dispatch center received a 911 call around 12:57 a.m. saying a &#8220;female hit a parked car (and) the driver of the vehicle fled the location.&#8221;

In the initial call, there was no report of injuries.

When police arrived at the scene at 1:40 a.m., the driver, thought to be McBride by her family, was no longer there.
40 minute response time;

Dearborn responded fast because of a shooting/death report.

Had it been an B&E; would the time frame been the same? I doubt it.

It takes an average of 58 minutes &#8212; nearly an hour &#8212; for Detroit police to respond to any call, whether top priority or routine. The fastest response time for any precinct in the city is 31 minutes; the longest is 115 minutes, or almost two hours. By contrast, the average national response time is 11 minutes, while police in Dearborn, on Detroit&#8217;s western border, arrive on average within seven minutes
 
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tgferg67

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Given that the shooter was from the Detroit area and Detroit is known for it speedy response

40 minute response time;

Dearborn responded fast because of a shooting/death report.

Had it been an B&E; would the time frame been the same? I doubt it.

The 40 minute response was for Detroit Police in Detroit not the Dearborn Heights jurisdiction. It was a shooting report only with a 2 minute response time.
 

nixium

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Someone banging at my door at 3am? Sure a non-dead beat could potentially do that.

But nice strawman. The argument was over a drunk and drug addled person doing that. By definition that is a dead beat.

Hey, this is what you said bro:

I'd say non-dead beats really wouldn't be in her position.

Of course a non-dead beat could be in a position of frantically banging on a door enough to put off the screen door at 3 AM. Whereupon, apparently the homeowner would shoot them in the face, and that is perfectly acceptable to you.
 

nixium

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And no, it couldn't easily be someone else. Unless you have a habit of ripping down neighbors doors?

Of course it could be. Who made you god and a decider of what people do or don't do? What makes you think you understand the entirety of human behavior?

HumblePie himself gave an example in this thread of a perfectly valid non threat that wasn't neutralized by deadly force.

The real question is, is it possible you're a sociopath? Do you have a history of torturing insects or killing animals because they happened to intrude into your surroundings?
 

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The 40 minute response was for Detroit Police in Detroit not the Dearborn Heights jurisdiction. It was a shooting report only with a 2 minute response time.


2 minute seems legit too, probably in the area looking for a maniac drunk who crash a car and was vandalizing houses in the area.
 

nixium

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2 minute seems legit too, probably in the area looking for a maniac drunk who crash a car and was vandalizing houses in the area.

Yup, the community should consider themselves lucky that a fearless, selfless hero stood up to the marauder, braving arrest and prison time to end the menace.

These guys in the thread applauding his actions should help him out by volunteering for conjugal visits.
 

BallaTheFeared

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I wouldn't "jump the gun" on your early conviction prediction, a lot of the posters in the other recent trials were left without lube for the verdict.
 

HumblePie

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Hey, this is what you said bro:



Of course a non-dead beat could be in a position of frantically banging on a door enough to put off the screen door at 3 AM. Whereupon, apparently the homeowner would shoot them in the face, and that is perfectly acceptable to you.

Position means everything including being drug addled. That's why I said nice strawman because you attempted to change the scenario in your argument by removing that part specifically. Learn to debate better.

Bro.
 

werepossum

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Let me say this loud and clear. If the guy comes to the door with a shotgun because he heard banging, what in sam hill's name would you cause you to think this person would ever sleep with the door open?
Exactly.

So where do you draw the line? Do you need to get a waiver for a thug to sign that they were only selling girl scout cookies at 3am when they ripped your screen apart?

The bottom line is the majority of self defense laws revolve around reasonable perception. And it's certainly reasonable to think that a drunk and high person ripping apart your door has some bad intent towards your well-being.
She was 5'-4" and 185. What is she going to do, waddle over and cuddle him to death?

lol

When i was in hapkido we had a girl who was 5'2 and maybe 100 lbs. she was a tiny (and very hot) girl. BUT she was freakishly strong and fast.

I seen her put guys over 6ft tall and well build on the ground. she had made more then one yelp from joint locks.
LOL I had a coworker with that same experience. She told him "Now don't you hurt me, I'm a girl" and then proceeded to beat the crap out of him in sparring. Turned out she had been a yellow belt for half a decade and refused to test up because she just liked beating the crap out of men and needed a steady flow of fresh, unsuspecting meat to enjoy that.

However, 40+% overweight and .218 BAC is probably not a good fit with that.
 
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She was 5'-4" and 185. What is she going to do, waddle over and cuddle him to death?

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These are one of the common ways to do home invasions... Have a crying, bloody girl bang on the door for help. Homeowner opens door, and 3 thugs come barging in.

I'm not saying to never answer the door at 3am, but in detroit? Yeah..... Not the place to be letting strangers inside. And this particular seems to have refused to take no for an answer, ripping down the door to get inside anyway.
 

Zargon

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The 40 minute response was for Detroit Police in Detroit not the Dearborn Heights jurisdiction. It was a shooting report only with a 2 minute response time.

Im sure the incredible response time has nothing to do with them being in the area for the abandoned wreck where the driver fled the scene ()
 
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