1900XTX not performing...

[akshayt]

Hi

I know that I have posted many times on forums regarding this. Despite following most of what people said, my problem remains unsolved. I don't want any flame wars or meaningless posts, I just want to solve my problem. I hope people here help me with it.


My Rig:

AMD 64 3200 Winchester @ 2.4GHz @ 2.45V
Previously (few months back) the CPU was not oced and yet I used to get the same problem, even now I get the very same.
Asus A8N E Bios 1011 previously 1005
2 X 1GB DDR 400 Transcend using mem divider 333
Seagate SATA 160GB NCQ
Antec NeoHE 500
2 Optical drives
1 FDD
Creative Sound Blaster Live 24Bit!
Navtech local cabinet with temp display

GeCube Radeon X1900XTX


The Problem:

Stuttering/Jerkiness or choppiness in games with very good or decent FPS throughout.

Most Wanted Patch 1.3 : 12x10 4x AA 16x HQ AF MAX (CCC Default)
The trees and building appear to be jerky almost throughout the race. Sometimes the motion of the car is smooth sometimes it is jerky especially during turns. The game as a whole is playable but not great and just too too jerky overall, far from what I expect even from a mainstream card.

NFS Carbon demo 1.2 : 12x10 4x AA MAX (CCC Default), the game gives an average of 40FPS but is very very jerky which is mainly felt durning even small turns of the car. The game barely runs smooth and is not exactly even playable. Reducing the resolution doesn't do much, nor does reducing the AA.

Fear : 12x9 4x 16x HQ AF no SS
Avg: 60+
Min: 28
32% btw 25 and 40

Prey patched : Runs like crap at 12x10 with or without AA, FPS are mostly 60(locked).

Hitman Blood Money demo : OKish at 12x10 no AA Hard Shadows but with Soft Shadows it becomes unplayable, even with the former it is not great and at best playable, a 6600GT could do better than this with Hitman Contracts at 10x7!

Serious Sam 2 demo : Runs choppy at 10x7 and 12x10 with or without AA.

NFS Underground 2 : Doesn't run fine with 6x AAA. 12x10

GRAW demo : AT 12x10 runs at best playable, isn't very smooth and not great at all. no AA

San Andreas : Jerky every now and then with huge jerks while walking while looking on the ground. 12x10 6x AA

Fear Expraction Point demo : Always locks for 2-5 secs infront of the first and second doors. While fights it isn't smooth at all. 12x10 no AA no SS

AOE 3 demo : Lags while moving the mouse cursor, unplayable.

Company of Heroes demo : Lags while moving the mouse cursor, unplayable.

HL2 : Runs fine.

Unreal Tournament 2004 : Runs fine at 12x10 6x AA but with 6x AAA it loses its smoothness and jerks now and then.


Conclusion:

From what I notice that games which are relatively old run fine without AAA but as games get newer they tend to run crap and sometimes to the extent of unplayable.


What I have tried :

Reformatting Windows.
Installing new drivers, CAT 6.9 right now, newer nforce drivers as well, I think I tried with and without IDE drivers as well.
Flashed BIOS
Tried different RAM, helped very little, nothing much.
Tried with the cabinet open and using 2 X 80MM fans just infront of the GPU to blow air towards it, it helps a little but not enough to make my games run decent enough.
Changed the HDD
Tried without the Sound Blaster


3D Mark scores are ok, 06 : 4800+, 05 : 10000+
Even 3d Mark runs choppy BTW.


Temps:
CPU: Not more than 50-55 under full load
MB: 48 idle
GPU: Tried increasing GPU fans speeds of stock cooler, full load at 61-64C, generall less than 80C in winters


Please help me out, I am having these problems since the time of upgradation that is a several months. Please tell me whether any of you has ever faced or seen such a problem and how did you solve it. What could the solution, what do I do?


I will try to post in game videos if they can show jerkiness in some games, please tell me how to take in game videos.


I know that I said 1900XTX is crap. I was frustated and wanted to solve my problem soon,
so wanted an attractive title, that is why I did that, I know that the 1900XTX is not crap, it is a very good card, so can you please help me out now!

 

[fire400]

man just get another XTX card. if the same thing happens, you'll know something is up with ur rig.

but man, a 3200!? why not just cut the card in half and upgrade your processor along with it?

 

[avi85]

are you seriously giving that proc 2.45v? isn't it a 1.5v proc? what are you using, phase change?

btw I agree with fire400

 

[akshayt]

I am giving 1.45V.

Also, the CPU isn't that bad, there are many people with similar or even worse CPUs(Intel HT) who are not getting any problems. The card doesn't appear to be a problem as my 3d Mark scores are fine and I have tried it on another PC.

Please don't post meaninglessly, all of us know that the CPU isn't that bad for what is happening, please post if you realy think it can help me.

Don't tell me that my rig has some problem, help me spot the problem.

 

[hardwareking]

u aint really helpin the guy.But i can't really help either.
U may have a slightly faulty card.But since u find the gameplay to be fine minus the occasional "choppiness" which i understand as the frame rate goes to below 20 FPS for a while.(right?)
The CPU has an impact on min FPS of a game.But in ur case its somethin else.I have a x1900 xt and don't experience any of ur troubles.
Though our builds are completely different.I didn't experience anything wrong using it with my old P4 531@ 3.0ghz either.
I'll have to get back to u.Sorry i couldn't help out.

 

[akshayt]

I never said the gameplay is fine. The jerks and all come every few seconds, that is not called occasional.

 

[TheRyuu]

Just RMA the dam thing and call it a day.

 

[akshayt]

The card is not the problem, tried on another PC, I have tried different RAM as well, I have even changed the HDD, nothing helps. Now what do I do?

HAS ANYBODY EVER FACED ANYTHING SIMILAR BEFORE IN THEIR LIFE?

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: akshayt
The card is not the problem, tried on another PC, I have tried different RAM as well, I have even changed the HDD, nothing helps. Now what do I do?

HAS ANYBODY EVER FACED ANYTHING SIMILAR BEFORE IN THEIR LIFE?

So it doesn't perform right, even in another PC?? Or does it?
I don't get what your saying.

If you changed everything and nothing helps wouldn't that make (presumably) the card the problem?

 

[akshayt]

The card gives fine scores on my PC, 3D Mark. It runs fine on another PC. Besides do you think that my problem could be the card when there is basically jerks etc and that too mainly in recent(1-3 yrs) games.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I am stumped. So I will just add the following -
Don't worry about posting videos. What you can do is:
1) Download and Install FRAPS
2) In the FPS tab, in the "Save Detailed Benchmark Statistics" section, check the FPS option. Set a Benchmark Hotkey above.
3) While playing a game, records statistics for a 5-minute run or so
4) The stats are saved in an Excel sheet in your FRAPS\benchmarks folder
5) Create a line chart in Excel such as this
6) Then, we can all see how often your frame-rates dip and to what extent. And we can all conclude if these are acceptable or unreasonable.

 

[patentman]

Probably a cacheing problem due to the fact that you are running a 3200+ with that card, overclocked or not. Up until a little while ago I had that card running on my system and I played most of those games without a hitch. I recetnly upgraded to the 8800gtx and I am experiencing this issue with my 4800+, even though its OC'd to 2.7GHz.

ONe other thing is the amount of ram you have. The games you have aren;t notorious for having huge ram requirements (compared to BF2 or Dark Messiah), but you "only" have a gig. If you are are running a bunch of programs in the background that can use up as much as 35% of your Ram, so this might be an issue.

Also, the PSU you are using should be fine, but depending on what else you have connected to your rig it might be possible that the card isn't getting enough power. When I first got my x1900xtx I was disappointed with the performance until I noticed that the card underclocked itself due to insufficient power (I had a 450W PSU at that time). I upgraded my PSU and performance of the card improved.

Also, you mentioned that you think older games run better then newer games. This is pretty much a given. Computer hardware has a given lifecycle, and as new games come out the old hardware can't keep up. Not that the x1900xtx is old by any stretch of the imagination. It is a sweet card. But the rest of your system looks like it has a couple years on it, and in the computer gaming world that can mean a whole lot. You will probably see substantial improvements by:

upgrading your processor: the 4800+ is extremely cheap now
upgrading your ram: 2GB makes a huge difference)
Upgrading your soundcard: the SB live is a great budget card, but today's games have very sophisticated positional sound that can take a toll on your CPU. If you upgraded to an SB X-Fi xtreme music it would offset this issue by handling all the sound based calculations on the sound card, not the CPU

 

[akshayt]

Look, majority will agree that this system is capable of playing almost any game today with real good speeds, better CPUs help, but aren't required for good play. Even MW doesn't run fine, that time nobody used to have a X2.
Also, others with similar rigs are having no problems.

I HAVE 2GB RAM and a very very powerful PSU for my comp(in sig))

 

[Hardlin]

I agree with Patentman that it may be a power supply issue. I thought you stated the card works fine in another system and you have replaced numerous parts of your system (didn't see anything about the power supply).

 

[LittleNemoNES]

must be all the indian porn on yer PC
jk
Look, yakshat, you need to reinstall windows cos you have too many problems with your PC. is your HDD 7200 rpm @ least?

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Just get a 360 dude... make your life and ours a lot easier

btw GoW is unvelievable

 

[akshayt]

I had previously had Antec SP 500, upgraded to NeoHE 500, the PSU is very powerful not sure whether something is bad in it or not.

I have reinstalled windows many times.

I have a Seagate SATA NCQ 160GB 7200.7 HDD 7200RPM.

 

[hardwareking]

just tell me one thing.All the stuff in ur sig are the only things that are plugged into ur PSU right?Or are there anything else.And dudes he lives in India.Not the best place for computer parts.Either they are not there or are extremely inflated in prices.AMD is next to non-existant.Dude,do the fraps thing so we can know what exactly ur problem.
Although core 2 duo's are available for reasonable price over there.I think its E6300+945G=Rs15000.
Not bad and would solve all ur problems.
For all we know the problems could be ur chipset drivers for ur A8N-E(which is pretty much out of date).
And u should just check this site.http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
The results might surprise u.Ur rig draws more power than u think.Try that before fraps.
Put 20% for surge and capacitor aging.Put motherboard as regular desktop.Put cpu utilization as 100.This is to make conditions like when u are gaming.Put accurate information and tell us how many watts ur system draws.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Your mobo runs 48 idle? O_O wow that's really hot

 

[akshayt]

There are many many people with lower PSUs yet more intensive systems yet fine. Dude, I have 38A continous at 50C which is more than enough for my system. 347 watts, no surge compensation and all. Anyway, I have a PSU/system ratio more than 80-90% ppl at AT. Most people have a similar PSU for C2D oc + GPU oc + 2-4HDDs.

 

[akshayt]

MW FPS, the game was jerking very very badly, worst I have seen in weeks, it was unplayable.

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[hardwareking]

put surge compensation and capacitor aging all that at 20%.And put pci-e 16x cards to 1.And put in ur overclocks and overclocked voltages too.Cause when i did it u got 637W under full load.That is way more than the 500 ur PSU can take.And thats excluding fans and stuff.
The card alone consumes around 150W of power.

 

[hardwareking]

Now thats extreme.That is looking more and more like a underpowered card.
And it looks like its throttling once u get into the game either because heat is building up or it doesn't have enough power.And i don't think gpu clocks throttle when heat is high like cpu's do.
Could u plz just do what i suggested?Ur the one who wants help.And u aint tryin anythin.

EDIT:
I'm sayin this cause i have ran my x1900 xt on a comp that is worse in terms of specs than urs.
P4 531 @3.0ghz
915GAV chipset
2x512MB DDR400 ram
ur rig is superior to that .But couple of differences.I had a 250Gb HDD andI used a 650W silverstone zeus.
And have had no problems other than the occasional cpu limitation.
So go figure.

 

[ayabe]

This may sound crazy but what kind of crap do you have running in windows? Have you tried using MSCONFIG to disable anything that might be accessing the HD or stealing CPU cycles? I would disable pretty much everything and run through some of the same tests.

I really don't think it has anything to do with your PSU and from your FPS log, even going into the high 30's doesn't make a game unplayable. Unless you're a competitive CS douche.

 

[videopho]

What I have tried :


Installing new drivers, CAT 6.9 right now, ,


Why not try the latest driver ATI 6.10?