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Avalon

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If you've swapped out memory, the PSU, the hard drive, and even put the X1900XTX in another system which worked, it could be that the motherboard is bad. Have you tried putting a different CPU in the system? I would think the CPU is fine, otherwise games would simply crash and not stutter with a bad CPU. But like I said, from what you've done to diagnose the system, it seems like it shouldn't be a software problem, and the only other hardware you have that is questionable really is the motherboard.

Try this:

Take your current PSU, HDD, RAM, and X1900XTX and put it in another system, preferably the one you were using before to test your X1900XTX when it worked. If everything works, then it's almost gotta be the CPU or more likely the motherboard. I know this sounds like a pain, but sometimes you get stuck having to do these things.
 

the Chase

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Well I know you said you tried different memory but I went through the same thing a while back and finally ran memtest86 and found out I had a bad stick of ram. The other stick was OK so games would run but choppy (esp. in memory hog games ala BF2). RMA'd the ram - sweet smoothness again. I say run memtest to be sure. Maybe the other memory you tried was bad also.
 

patentman

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Originally posted by: hardwareking
Now thats extreme.That is looking more and more like a underpowered card.
And it looks like its throttling once u get into the game either because heat is building up or it doesn't have enough power.And i don't think gpu clocks throttle when heat is high like cpu's do.
Could u plz just do what i suggested?Ur the one who wants help.And u aint tryin anythin.

EDIT:
I'm sayin this cause i have ran my x1900 xt on a comp that is worse in terms of specs than urs.
P4 531 @3.0ghz
915GAV chipset
2x512MB DDR400 ram
ur rig is superior to that .But couple of differences.I had a 250Gb HDD andI used a 650W silverstone zeus.
And have had no problems other than the occasional cpu limitation.
So go figure.

After this I'm 99% sure its a PSU issue. Akshayt, I'm not saying anythign about your system, its fine. I had a 450W psu when I had issues with my x1900xtx and yours is a 500W. It is not inconceivable that this is your issue. What was the wattage rating for the PSU in the other computer that worked?
 

ayabe

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I don't know why you guys are insisting it's a PSU issue when he has none of the symptoms, i.e. resets, hard freezes, or BSOD.
 

josh6079

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Despite following most of what people said, my problem remains unsolved.
Ha! You haven't followed what people said, you just completely ignore half of their advice and abandon threads without commenting on any resolve like you did here.
Stuttering/Jerkiness or choppiness in games with very good or decent FPS throughout.
Of which you still haven't provided a clip of so we can see what exactly you're talking about.
Prey patched : Runs like crap at 12x10 with or without AA, FPS are mostly 60(locked).
Wait, wait, wait, wait....you're saying that constant 60fps is "crap?"
What I have tried :

Reformatting Windows.
Installing new drivers, CAT 6.9 right now, newer nforce drivers as well, I think I tried with and without IDE drivers as well.
Use Cat 6.6's.
I will try to post in game videos if they can show jerkiness in some games, please tell me how to take in game videos.
If you don't know how to post in-game videos don't say that you're going to post them and leave other threads unattended. Instead just come out and say that you don't know how to, this would have cut down A LOT of your troubleshooting if you didn't have to spend so much time describing the problem to others and could just show them. How many threads are you going to make for one issue?
I know that I said 1900XTX is crap. I was frustated and wanted to solve my problem soon,
so wanted an attractive title, that is why I did that, I know that the 1900XTX is not crap, it is a very good card, so can you please help me out now!
It wasn't just because you called the X1900XTX crap right after it's launch but the fact that you commanded all who tried to help you to "fix it" and told them that that's what they're here to do. You were ungrateful and demanding when asking a favor. That's why no one repects you. You haven't listened or appreciated any help whatsoever.

Why should we believe you'll do anything different now? Why should we help you page after page, thread after thread if you only do half of what we say only to make another thread a few days later asking for the same help?
 

LittleNemoNES

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Ha! You haven't followed what people said, you just completely ignore half of their advice and abandon threads without commenting on any resolve like you did here.

This is his biggest problem. I bet it spills over to his personal life too
 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: hardwareking
put surge compensation and capacitor aging all that at 20%.And put pci-e 16x cards to 1.And put in ur overclocks and overclocked voltages too.Cause when i did it u got 637W under full load.That is way more than the 500 ur PSU can take.And thats excluding fans and stuff.
The card alone consumes around 150W of power.

I seriously doubt it's his PSU unless it's defective. 38A is PLENTY for that rig. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers but there in no way he's using 637W under full load. With my computer running 3DMark06 and Orthos at the same time, fans on full blast, and the specs in sig, I only measured 587W at the wallplate. That's like 440W from the components themselves. There is no way he's pulling anywhere close to that.
 

TheRyuu

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Ok.
At this point, anyone who flames akshayt is an ass.
He/she (I presume it's a he) is just looking for help for a computer problem. It's been months since the "other thing" happened here so just give it a rest.

Now, if it ran fine in the other computer you put it in, what was different about it.
What kind of CPU did it have. What kind of PSU (if it's the same one, you can pretty safely say it's a PSU issue)
And I'm looking at the PSU too that MIGHT be a cause of the problem. Despite the specs, you could've got a bad one. You never know.

Seriously, at this point you can't rule anything out. And always play at the resolution your going to wind up playing at. If thats 1280x1024, test everything at that resolution with the settings that are right for your card (eye-candy, etc...)

It does sound like a PSU issue. Despite what people have said, what if the PSU is bad. There are a lot of "what if....." things here and thats why you really got to try everything.

See if you can't borrow or get a different PSU (if you can, try the same kind, just a different one AND try a more powerful one from a good brand. I know it might be harder to get stuff were you live but it's the best shot and the best lead that we got).
 

josh6079

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At this point, anyone who flames akshayt is an ass.
He/she (I presume it's a he) is just looking for help for a computer problem. It's been months since the "other thing" happened here so just give it a rest.
I didn't even bring up the "other thing" where he mentioned the card was crap, he did.

I'm not flaming him but pointing out the fact that he hasn't taken peoples advice and made the exact same thread multiple times. Someone's got to get through to him that he has to listen to people if he wants their help. I've tried to help him before yet still am waiting for a clip of this "jerkiness", and that has been months ago as well.

And I think that his judgment on what is "crap" is severely skewed. Why would having a practically locked frame rate of 60 be bad? If he's worried about his card "not performing" a pretty steady 60 frame rate would be some good news IMO.
 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: josh6079

And I think that his judgment on what is "crap" is severely skewed. Why would having a practically locked frame rate of 60 be bad? If he's worried about his card "not performing" a pretty steady 60 frame rate would be some good news IMO.

I think he's talking about the stuttering not that the frames are too low. It sounds like the problem is that he gets good framerates but weird stuttering and pausing at the same time. Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
 

Centurin

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Just get a new machine and be done with it. These threads are getting old. Or better yet, use the machine you said you used the GPU in and worked fine.
 

akshayt

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I have a MW video but it is 200MB. I am considering of trying another CPU. Do you think I should try he PCIe 4x slot as well?

Do you think there is a huge gaming difference between a Venice and Winchester?

Poewr needed is around 480 watts, my PSU has that much.

Do you want to know anything else?
 

akshayt

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The temperatures seem pretty good, 64C under full load for the card but that hardly made a difference. However adding 2 80mm local fans while gaming did made some difference, though I am not 100$ sure on that.

What is exactly josh saying?
 

josh6079

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What is exactly josh saying?
I'll make some cliff-notes for you:

[*] Stop making thread after thread concerning this same problem. Make one and stick with it.

[*] Give us a video clip, don't tell us the size of it. It would be so much easier if we could see the kind of "jerkiness" you're describing since any rig will have occasional "jerks" during most gameplay.

[*] Upon actually presenting the video clip, listen to any advice we may give. Listening has been your primary obstacle.
 

akshayt

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I will try to post the clips in 1-2 days, my internet is slow and it will take some time to upload it.
 

nullpointerus

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Your SB Live! card is a bit old -- maybe the drivers have issues with modern games. Have you tried disabling sound in these games just to be absolutely sure?
 

Keysplayr

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Can you disable NCQ (command queing) in you mobos bios? Maybe that is not functioning properly with the NCQ hard drive you have. Dunno but your system seems more than able to run any game just fine. I would look into hard drive issues. Start with NCQ.
 

akshayt

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How do I disable NCQ? Also, isn't NCQ meant to boost performance? Is it known to cause slow downs?
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: akshayt
How do I disable NCQ? Also, isn't NCQ meant to boost performance? Is it known to cause slow downs?


I have read (cannot remember for the life of me where I read or heard it) but some motherboards do not like NCQ. See if there is any way possible to disable NCQ. Might even be jumpers on the hard drive itself. NCQ is supposed to allow faster access times, but nothing earthshattering. So, what the heck, give it a shot. Everything else under the sun has been tried to stop the stuttering problem you have.
 

imported_Truenofan

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well temps arent thep problem, ncq doesnt help in terms of desktop performance, benches shown, it can hinder, but i dont think it causes stuttering, if your running games at 100% details on it, it could be going to a swap file for games, that would explain the stuttering during gameplay.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Truenofan
well temps arent thep problem, ncq doesnt help in terms of desktop performance, benches shown, it can hinder, but i dont think it causes stuttering, if your running games at 100% details on it, it could be going to a swap file for games, that would explain the stuttering during gameplay.


At this point, it absolutely cannot hurt to look into NCQ. You said yourself, that it can "hinder" but that doesn't always mean any hinderance will manifest itself the same way. My logic is, why not? There is no point in dismissing anything at this stage of the game.

Akshayt's system is just about equal with mine. I have a faster CPU while he has a faster graphics card. Same amount of memory. I don't ever stutter in any games I play. Just looking for subtle differences in our setups, and the NCQ is staring at me the most.
 
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