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akshayt

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are you 100% sure that if flip que size is at 2 and there is still stuttering, it means bad card or mobo. Could it be mobo- card incompatibility?

now i can't even run carbon or SA.

how do i get to know whether it is the mobo or the card?
 

josh6079

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For God's sake akshayt, calm down and learn to use the edit button instead of making post after post. If you're not making multiple rambling threads you're making multiple rambling posts.

I have rest the bios by using load bios default option, is that fine?
I said, reset the CMOS, not load bios default. RESET THE CMOS
at default, tried flip que at 2 in MW, made stutters worse.
That's because the frames to render ahead/flip que causes mouse lags and such. If anything, setting it to a higher number will increase lags, stutters, etc.
what do you think is the reason for my stuttering/lagging?
User error. PICNIC.

You need to follow the advice, not make post after post of nothing but what your computer does and doesn't do.
Now, when I click on Carbon demo, the comp restarts and nothing happens on clicking on SanAndreas.
Sounds like:

[*] You messed up with an installation somewhere.

[*] You've got some virus or spyware

[*] You've got some peice of faulty hardware.

Again, you need to follow the advice people give you verbatim. You're still not listening.
 

akshayt

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Those games were working fine earlier.

What do we conclude if the game stutters and I have tried flip que 0 - 3?

I can't identify the cmos, please tell me.

also, please tell me how to make a bootable disc using nero.
 

sodcha0s

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please mention a good tweak guide as well.

Are you fooking serious? I've mentioned THE BEST g-damn tweak guide there is 3 TIMES NOW in 2 different threads, and you just ignore the advice. Your problem will never be fixed because you are too much of an idiot to actually take the advice people give you. I'm done with this thread, and with you and your problems.
 

josh6079

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What do we conclude if the game stutters and I have tried flip que 0 - 3?
Again:

[*] You messed up with an installation somewhere.

[*] You've got some virus or spyware

[*] You've got some peice of faulty hardware.
I can't identify the cmos, please tell me.
The CMOS isn't a setting in your bios but rather a jumper that you manually reset on your motherboard. Look in your motherboard instruction booklet to find out where it is. It wipes out any and all changes made to the bios and resets everything back to the bios's native state. If you've overclocked your CPU/Mem at all and don't know what that is I'm kind of thinking you shouldn't have been overclocking.
also, please tell me how to make a bootable disc using nero.
Why do you need to do that? Don't you have your copy of XP?
 

BFG10K

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I'm pretty sure memtest makes its own bootable floppy.

Anyway I seriously doubt this has anything to do with RAM. RAM problems generally cause lockups and reboots, not game stuttering.
 

octop8

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Originally posted by: akshayt
i need a bootable disc to run memtest 86, now please tell me.

are you new to computers??? run memtest86 and it will help you make one
 

the Chase

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It was a while ago since I did it but I think you have to make sure the floppy disc is formated(right click on your A drive and click on format with the disc in drive A). Then just save the memtest86 program to that disc from their webpage. Then select boot from the floppy drive in your bios options. When you reboot the memtest86 program will run is DOS mode and start itself I believe. If you have a bad stick of ram it will show up pretty quickly with constant errors shown in the program's test field.

Edit- Oh wait - you don't have a floppy drive or disc?
 

akshayt

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I have a floppy disk and drive. But memtest 86 is slightly larger than the max supported space.
 

hardwareking

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dude to clear ur cmos.Just remove the the cmos battery and put it back in.
Then try runnin ur games.If u don't know what a cmos battery looks like its a small circular battery which located near the pci slots on the motherboard.
 

josh6079

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Originally posted by: hardwareking
dude to clear ur cmos.Just remove the the cmos battery and put it back in.
Then try runnin ur games.If u don't know what a cmos battery looks like its a small circular battery which located near the pci slots on the motherboard.
You shouldn't even need to do that. The CMOS jumper is enough and most if not all motherboards have them.
 

avi85

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Originally posted by: akshayt
please tell me how to make a bootable disc using nero.

Choose new compilation then the compilation type you choose is "CD-ROM (Boot)"

Under the "Boot" tab on th right choose "Image File" and find the location of the memtest86 image.

Under the "ISO" tab:
Data mode = mode1
File system = ISO 9660 only
Filename length = max of 11 (level 1)
Character set = ISO 9660
Remove all the checkmarks below those options (no relaxed restrictions)

Now burn it.

Edit: Hey cool! This was my 666th post...maybe it's some sort of sign...
 

Stumps

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how did you go with the 6600GT?

did it work better(In that it didn't suffer any stuttering) than your XTX?
 

akshayt

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consider yourself lucky you don't get stuttering.

I am regretting going in for a 1900xtx, anyway first I will try my 6600GT and then get back.

BTW quite a few ppl are having trouble with 1900xtx as i searched google.


Tried flip que size from 0-3 and even 5, stutters.

Haven't reset CMOS yet, will try soon.

What do we conclude from this flip que thingie?

There is an option to change hardware video acceleration to full and min and anything between it, I don't remember how to access that setting, where is it located?
 

akshayt

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All these things were tried at stock settings with orignal gecube supplied drivers. If I use Vsyn then stutters almost vanish but then the motion of the card becomes uneven and also it looses its pace which makes it pointless in a game like NFS, in a way it makes me not feel like racing at all.
So I can't actually use that, however it corrects the stutters. Without it I again get that constant stuttering. Also, if in increase settings from 800x600 low to 12x9 maxed out 4x AA, I do loose on smoothness and performance especially if I use Vsyn as well.


Hitman Blood Money demo runs a lot better now
Old drivers
Stock settings
No EAX together or any of these thing made the game better

It doesn't run perfect but playable, I would like some more improvement especially with aiming during fights, it runs better without vsyn, although vsyn makes it smooth in terms of mouse movement it makes the motion slower to the extent of far more evident jerks which aren't visible otherwise.

With all this progress, what are the likely things possible with my computer?

Acc to xbit a 1900xtx can't get great performance at 12x10 max 4x AA without Blood Money, as 40FPS for me atleast is just about ok, nothing great, so is this performance right for a 1900xtx. however, mw still lacks badly.
 

josh6079

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Knowing you, you probably damaged something in your overclocking.
If I use Vsyn then stutters almost vanish but then the motion of the card becomes uneven and also it looses its pace...
How exactly does it become "uneven?" Vsync does the opposite, makes every graphic even instead of chopped or ripped.
So I can't actually use that, however it corrects the stutters.
Video Clip?
Tried flip que size from 0-3 and even 5, stutters.
Why would you try 5? I told you that the higher you go the greater the chance of having mouse lag will be. Why would you increase it? Set it to 0 and be done with it.
What do we conclude from this flip que thingie?
Um, we can conclude that you're not listening. I said set it to 0 earlier as well.
Haven't reset CMOS yet, will try soon.
It's not like it takes very long...
 

nullpointerus

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Originally posted by: akshayt
All these things were tried at stock settings with orignal gecube supplied drivers. If I use Vsyn then stutters almost vanish but then the motion of the card becomes uneven and also it looses its pace which makes it pointless in a game like NFS, in a way it makes me not feel like racing at all.
So I can't actually use that, however it corrects the stutters. Without it I again get that constant stuttering. Also, if in increase settings from 800x600 low to 12x9 maxed out 4x AA, I do loose on smoothness and performance especially if I use Vsyn as well.
The screen refreshes itself at a constant rate (i.e. 60fps) regardless of how fast your game is running. Enabling VSync locks the framerate to your monitor's refresh rate: 15/30/60 on an LCD. So, if your computer can render a certain section of the game at 47fps, it will only render at 30fps when VSync is on. This sudden drop in fps is what most people on this board call "stuttering."

Why enable VSync if it decreases performance? Without VSync, the video card will update the image to be displayed on the screen while the screen is busy refreshing itself (i.e. drawing from top to bottom). So, if the video card is drawing one frame while the screen is busy drawing the previous one, the top portion of the screen will have the old frame and the bottom half will have the new frame. This is what you mean by "stuttering," but it's really called "tearing."

Having watched your video, I can see nothing different from my experience with the game. In fact, it looks perfectly playable. Note that the tearing caused by turning off VSync will NOT show up in a Fraps video because the video only records the contents of the video card before it is sent out to the screen.

(Also, for others who watch the video, I found that Windows Media Player stuttered horribly the first time the video played, but the second time it played smoothly. So you should let it play through once on its own and only judge performance based on the second play though.)

There are four ways to get VSync running with acceptable performance:

1) Buy a better single video card, or get Crossfire/SLI.
2) Use DXTweaker to hack the game to support triple buffering.*
3) Lower your resolution/quality settings and your expectations.
4) Overclock your video card and/or tweak the game for more fps.

* I do not recommend triple buffering for action games because it increases input lag; that is, the time between using an input device and the change showing up on the screen.

As far as NFS:MW is concerned, I would combine 3) and 4). Spend a half hour playing with the advanced video settings to see which options most affect the performance of your video card without decreasing quality too much. Believe me, I know how annoying it is to lose a race because the fps suddenly dropped while going around a tight corner.
 

LordGestle

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Originally posted by: LordGestle
I'm assuming the sound card is not onboard. Disable the sound card in device manager, or bet yet remove it, and retest.
If It's better:
1) Try a different PCI. I have had luck in PCI 3 or 5, or the bottom one.
2) Try onboard

Also while people are trying to help, make sure you turn everything back to stock. Rule of thumb with overclocking is make sure it works first at stock. Once everything is confirmed working and a history is established, you can OC so you can narrow issues down quicker.

Update:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1120450 . This guy also has a software based audio card (XFI Xtremeaudio and your 24 Bit live if software not hardware based) and he noticed a 20% drop.


Have you tried that yet?
 

josh6079

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There are four ways to get VSync running with acceptable performance:

1) Buy a better single video card, or get Crossfire/SLI...
Um, I don't know about Crossfire, but SLI will definatley NOT help with Vsync. If anything, SLI worsens Vsync in that you have to sync two GPU outputs with the screen instead of one. It's a pretty known issue with certain games, Vsync and SLI. In my experience, even when the screen could sync and the graphics wouldn't rip, SLI caused a horrid stuttering that couldn't be rid of. It didn't happen in every game, but when it did it was rather annoying knowing I spent that much money for cards that couldn't even keep graphics together and at an acceptable playability.

Anyways, triple buffering is alright but only if you have enough virtual RAM. In some more intensive games the VRAM can already be using everything it has and in those cases it is just better to have only the vsync on.
 
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