1993 300 ZX

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I was quoted today for a rotor replacement and pad replacement (Brembo Cross Drilled and Slotted). One of my rotors is cracked.

Front rotors - 101.98/each
Rear Rotors - 93.98/each
Pads Front - 87.30/pair
Pads Rear - 79.47/pair
Labor - 307.50
Tax - 83.99

~900.00 total

Does this seem in line. A quick search on google shows yes, but man... that's a lot of money for a brake job.
 

Arkaign

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Yep, that's about right.

Unless you're tracking your car, I wouldn't go with cross-drilled/slotted rotors. Going with Beck Arnley will save you over 50% on the rotors and Pads, and doing the labor yourself or with a mechanic buddy will also save you huge.

Beck Arnley is basically identical to OEM. Many dealerships (usually Honda/Acura) use BA for various parts anyway.

So yeah, you can cut that cost by $400 on the parts, and $300 on the labor, which also saves a crapload of tax.

Fancy rotors really don't stop any better, they're just more resistant to fade.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Yep, that's about right.

Unless you're tracking your car, I wouldn't go with cross-drilled/slotted rotors. Going with Beck Arnley will save you over 50% on the rotors and Pads, and doing the labor yourself or with a mechanic buddy will also save you huge.

Beck Arnley is basically identical to OEM. Many dealerships (usually Honda/Acura) use BA for various parts anyway.

So yeah, you can cut that cost by $400 on the parts, and $300 on the labor, which also saves a crapload of tax.

Fancy rotors really don't stop any better, they're just more resistant to fade.

It's actually the other way around.

If he IS tracking the car, he should go with solid vented rotors. The cross drilled rotors are prone to cracking.

The purpose of cross drilling is solely to reduce weight. Cross drilled rotors actually have less heat capacity. (think of it as a heatsink, the more material the better) and the purpose of slotting is to clean the disc from debris/mud etc (used in rallying). For iron rotors and street applications, solid is the way to go. Cross drilled/slotted is for show.

This thread explains more http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3423309
 

Arkaign

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Ah, I had the wrong impression then, I thought the holes were for ventilation? Well, anyway, I don't see the point of expensive rotors when the stock OEM work great, and the supporting braking system (calipers, etc) haven't been upgraded. Moving from a 10" rotor to a 12" rotor is a huge gain in braking power as long as you also get larger calipers and pads, but the thought of custom brake system upgrades just gives me a headache.

Stock, the 300ZX had no problem stopping perfectly, so I'd leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the info MK2K6, after seeing cars like 911s, ZR1, etc with the cross-drilled rotors, thought they served a different purpose.
 

JulesMaximus

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Seems reasonable to me. I just paid $400 for a rear brake job on my wife's Lexus and that didn't include new rotors.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Ah, I had the wrong impression then, I thought the holes were for ventilation? Well, anyway, I don't see the point of expensive rotors when the stock OEM work great, and the supporting braking system (calipers, etc) haven't been upgraded. Moving from a 10" rotor to a 12" rotor is a huge gain in braking power as long as you also get larger calipers and pads, but the thought of custom brake system upgrades just gives me a headache.

Stock, the 300ZX had no problem stopping perfectly, so I'd leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the info MK2K6, after seeing cars like 911s, ZR1, etc with the cross-drilled rotors, thought they served a different purpose.

It is a different story for carbon ceramic brakes like on the ZR1, GT2, etc.

I believe porsche and mercedes even admitted that the cross drilling of their rotors served no performance advantage and was only for aesthetics. I don't remember where I read it though.
 

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I paid $800 for slotted rotors and hawk hps pads for my trans am. My rims aren't filthy after 2 weeks anymore and they feel great.
 

AMCRambler

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Ah, I had the wrong impression then, I thought the holes were for ventilation? Well, anyway, I don't see the point of expensive rotors when the stock OEM work great, and the supporting braking system (calipers, etc) haven't been upgraded. Moving from a 10" rotor to a 12" rotor is a huge gain in braking power as long as you also get larger calipers and pads, but the thought of custom brake system upgrades just gives me a headache.

Stock, the 300ZX had no problem stopping perfectly, so I'd leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the info MK2K6, after seeing cars like 911s, ZR1, etc with the cross-drilled rotors, thought they served a different purpose.

It is a different story for carbon ceramic brakes like on the ZR1, GT2, etc.

I believe porsche and mercedes even admitted that the cross drilling of their rotors served no performance advantage and was only for aesthetics. I don't remember where I read it though.

I've always heard that the cross drilling was to reduce fade. With fade as being caused by the porous material of the brake pads containing air pockets and when they heat up the gas expands and acutally pushes the pad away from the rotor. So the cross drilled holes provided a place for the gas to escape from between the rotor and the pad.
 

Arkaign

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Hmm, an interesting post related to this :

http://www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/brakes.html

The summary was pretty cool :

Ok to sum everything up. Cross-drilled rotors are good for fast heat dissipation and reduction in braking gasses, however they are prone to warpage because of their less amount of material, and lower peak temperature tolerance. They are good for racing applications where you need very fast cooling from high-speed stops, and where they don?t care about the longevity of the rotors. They are not practical if you want to get more life out of your rotor. Slotted rotors main advantage is that they help get rid of the braking gasses between the rotor and pad. They are good for mild to medium racing applications and for the performance minded street driver. The longevity will be greater then that of cross-drilled, yet may be a little less then stock. There are also high performance rotors that offer a combination of both slotting and cross-drilling.

I guess now you may be asking what gives him the authority or background to be saying all this. Well first off I have gone through the hassles of cross-drilled rotors myself, and had the down sides of cross-drilling happen to me. Secondly I have researched and found NON-BIAS articles and information on the two types of rotors, as well as consulted several automotive professionals on the topic. Next I am a mechanical engineering major at Penn State, and have had courses in the areas I have talked about, the stresses, cyclic loading, temperature, discontinuities, and heat transfer. So I?m not just talking out of my ass on these things. Finally, like other performance-minded drivers I too want to get the most out of my car, and have looked into the different possibilities and options.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Hmm, an interesting post related to this :

http://www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/brakes.html

The summary was pretty cool :

Ok to sum everything up. Cross-drilled rotors are good for fast heat dissipation and reduction in braking gasses, however they are prone to warpage because of their less amount of material, and lower peak temperature tolerance. They are good for racing applications where you need very fast cooling from high-speed stops, and where they don?t care about the longevity of the rotors. They are not practical if you want to get more life out of your rotor. Slotted rotors main advantage is that they help get rid of the braking gasses between the rotor and pad. They are good for mild to medium racing applications and for the performance minded street driver. The longevity will be greater then that of cross-drilled, yet may be a little less then stock. There are also high performance rotors that offer a combination of both slotting and cross-drilling.

I guess now you may be asking what gives him the authority or background to be saying all this. Well first off I have gone through the hassles of cross-drilled rotors myself, and had the down sides of cross-drilling happen to me. Secondly I have researched and found NON-BIAS articles and information on the two types of rotors, as well as consulted several automotive professionals on the topic. Next I am a mechanical engineering major at Penn State, and have had courses in the areas I have talked about, the stresses, cyclic loading, temperature, discontinuities, and heat transfer. So I?m not just talking out of my ass on these things. Finally, like other performance-minded drivers I too want to get the most out of my car, and have looked into the different possibilities and options.

According to this article, rotors don't actually warp...

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_i...warped_brakedisk.shtml
 

Arkaign

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We've all seen warped rotors in person, the ones that are no longer flat I think that article is saying that the causes are complicated, but it's crazy to think that warped rotors don't exist.
 

StepUp

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I went ahead and bit the bullet... If nothing else the cross drilled / slotted will get the ricers to buy my car if I decide to sell it.
 

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Ah, I had the wrong impression then, I thought the holes were for ventilation? Well, anyway, I don't see the point of expensive rotors when the stock OEM work great, and the supporting braking system (calipers, etc) haven't been upgraded. Moving from a 10" rotor to a 12" rotor is a huge gain in braking power as long as you also get larger calipers and pads, but the thought of custom brake system upgrades just gives me a headache.

Stock, the 300ZX had no problem stopping perfectly, so I'd leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the info MK2K6, after seeing cars like 911s, ZR1, etc with the cross-drilled rotors, thought they served a different purpose.

It is a different story for carbon ceramic brakes like on the ZR1, GT2, etc.

I believe porsche and mercedes even admitted that the cross drilling of their rotors served no performance advantage and was only for aesthetics. I don't remember where I read it though.

I've always heard that the cross drilling was to reduce fade. With fade as being caused by the porous material of the brake pads containing air pockets and when they heat up the gas expands and acutally pushes the pad away from the rotor. So the cross drilled holes provided a place for the gas to escape from between the rotor and the pad.


this is correct
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: StepUp
I was quoted today for a rotor replacement and pad replacement (Brembo Cross Drilled and Slotted). One of my rotors is cracked.

Front rotors - 101.98/each
Rear Rotors - 93.98/each
Pads Front - 87.30/pair
Pads Rear - 79.47/pair
Labor - 307.50
Tax - 83.99

~900.00 total

Does this seem in line. A quick search on google shows yes, but man... that's a lot of money for a brake job.

Well not sure if you have a turbo or the 2+2, but for the turbo (may be the same as the 2+2)

Brembo Fronts are about $40 for the blanks...AFAIK brembo doesn't drill or slot their own blanks....

check out RockAuto.com

 
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