2.1 speakers for music

magnificat

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I'm an electrical engineering and music double-major at Virginia Tech. I use my computer speakers mainly for listening to my music collection (mostly classical). Now, I've been pretty satisfied with my speaker setup--a 2.1 setup, harman/kardon-branded, connected to the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card in the two- or three-year-old Dell they came with. Here are the speakers in question.

The problem I've been having is twofold... these speakers can make a fair amount of noise, for their size and price, but in some recordings it can be easy to reach clipping levels. That's not such a big deal... usually I can just turn the volume down a bit and not have a problem.

But the real problem is this: A lot of the music I listen to has extreme dynamic contrast, and it's not that uncommon that part of a recording is simply inaudible, even with all software and hardware volume controls turned to the max! I've been able to get around this by using the preamp in Winamp to boost the volume during quiet sections, but this is a bit inconvenient and kludgy, and I don't always want to use Winamp to play my music.

Considering all this, I've been thinking: perhaps it's time to consider investing in some new speakers. Something with more amplification capacity, so the volume problem vanishes. A 2.1 setup, because I have nowhere in the dorm room to put the extra speakers for a 5.1 setup, and my DVD-watching and game-playing (the target use of most 5.1 systems) are pretty limited. So I'm looking for a set of 2.1 speakers, something that, unlike my current speakers, won't become obsolete with the computer. Of course, the performance criteria I'm most concerned with have to do with accurate, convincing reproduction of mostly classical music.

The threads I've read here have almost universally ended up recommending the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers as the best option for someone like me. Claimed pros include exceptionally accurate frequency responce and overall amazing sound. I do have a few questions, though:

- Elsewhere on the Internet, I see disturbingly large numbers of people reporting that their Klipsch Promedia 2.1's have failed after a year or two. Things like potentiometers failing, one channel dropping out, or the sub becoming weak over time. There have also been a couple of claims that newer Promedia 2.1's no longer have this problem... but it's hard to tell. Any thoughts on the reliability of these speakers? If I plunk down $150 for speakers that last me 5 years or more, that's one thing. If they last me 6 months to 2 years, well, that's another thing entirely.

- I've also run across the Klipsch Promedia GMX A-2.1's, but found little information on them. I can tell that the enclosures are different; the GMX version has spiffy-looking or hideous, depending on your tastes, metallic satellites. But I haven't been able to find a more substantial comparison between this version and the regular Promedia 2.1's. Are they actually the same speaker? If not, how do they compare when it comes to sound quality and reliability?

- If reliability is still a problem on the Promedias these days, what are some other recommendations for a 2.1 setup for mostly classical music?
 

PurdueRy

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Replace your current fronts with the swan M200 if you don't want to go to HT speakers. Keep using your current sub as it is probably not what is making the noise you are hearing.
 

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Originally posted by: rleemhui
Replace your current fronts with the swan M200 if you don't want to go to HT speakers. Keep using your current sub as it is probably not what is making the noise you are hearing.

I concur. The Swans M200 are not 2.1, however. But you can add a sub of your choice to make them 2.1.
 

magnificat

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Originally posted by: rleemhui
Replace your current fronts with the swan M200 if you don't want to go to HT speakers. Keep using your current sub as it is probably not what is making the noise you are hearing.

Sorry to be unclear... by "can make a fair amount of noise," I meant, "can put out a reasonably sufficient amount of sound." The reproduction is relatively clear and noise-free. The reason I'm considering new speakers is because of very quiet passages being too quiet (and though I'm satisfied with the sound quality from these, a step up in that department can never hurt).

I'm just not entirely sure why I should buy high-end speakers and then break up my old set to randomly splice in the sub. And might it be hard to get such a mixed-and-matched setup to work together smoothly with good balance? Since the Swans seem to be designed to stand alone, should I even try to use a sub with them?

Just asking, you know. I don't have a whole lot of experience with audio equipment.

After some research, the Swans do look like a viable option. Some thoughts on why you chose to recommend the Swans, in general and as compared to the Klipsch speakers or other options, would also be appreciated, though. And I'm still trying to find someplace that actually sells the Swans so I can get a price estimate.
 

PurdueRy

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Swan makes wonderful HT speakers that have a reputation for great sound quality for the price. They tend to not be as bright as Klipsch speakers are and they are REAL wood cablinet fairly large midrange driver speakers for the computer. Basically its the best computer powered speakers you can get.

Putting your current sub with them won't be a problem you can change the crossover appropriately for best SQ. When you get to a point where you can afford a seperate sub, go for it!
 

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Claimed pros include exceptionally accurate frequency responce and overall amazing sound. I do have a few questions, though:

Horns in general give greater efficiency at the expense of response linearity and frequency bandwidth. Without bad mouthing the Klipsch at all, I would be reluctant to classify any horn as exceptionally accurate. Don't get me wrong here, I like the dynamics and volume that horns provide.

Exceptionally accurate horn is a bit like a jumbo schrimp.

Swans

Dayton sub
 

magnificat

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Originally posted by: maddmax
Claimed pros include exceptionally accurate frequency responce and overall amazing sound. I do have a few questions, though:

Horns in general give greater efficiency at the expense of response linearity and frequency bandwidth. Without bad mouthing the Klipsch at all, I would be reluctant to classify any horn as exceptionally accurate. Don't get me wrong here, I like the dynamics and volume that horns provide.

Exceptionally accurate horn is a bit like a jumbo schrimp.

Swans

Dayton sub

Well, I'm open to any suggestions. I'm sort of trying to explore what's out there. Incidentally, there are limitations to what I can spend--nothing hard and fast, but I'd say the Swans (which I'm seeing for about $150 to $175) could constitute a good upper limit, price-wise.
 

PurdueRy

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yeah this is higher end stuff that you won't find in any B&M store. Trust me though, they are beyond anything you could find at any B&M store.
 

magnificat

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Well, the Swans look awfully good. It's unfortunate that I can't try before I buy, because if they didn't work out--either because I didn't like the sound, or because they, like my current speakers, couldn't deliver enough amplification for the music with the most extreme quiet passages (which seems unlikely given what I'm stepping up from, but anything could happen)--then the restocking fee plus shipping back to newegg could mean $50 or so down the drain. Fortunately, there's no great hurry... I'll have to let things turn over in my head for a while, poke around some more, listen to any additional thoughts that might pop up in this thread.... I'd also need to find a decent, reasonably priced, compact pair of floor stands for the Swans, as they'd be too large to fit on a tiny dorm room desk (with a 17" CRT + laptop), and the rear sound port means I couldn't put them, say, on a shelf, against a wall. As I've not owned higher-end speakers in the past, I'm wondering: are speaker mounts standardized, such that more or less any stand would fit the Swans? If not, where should I look to find stands that would? Edit: looks like Swans has some nice-looking stands of their own, but no information on price... and, as appears to be a recurring theme with Swans, there appears to be nobody SELLING them!
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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I'm currently looking at spending about $1300 to $2000 on a speaker set for my HT.

Swan was one of the 5 or 6 companies that made my short list. It seems like theaudioinsider is where most people get theirs. If you want to audition the swan sound, you can see if anyone owns a set in your area with audioenvy.

Everything I've read about swan has been top notch. I'm sure the m200s are about as good as you're going to get.
 

magnificat

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The more I research the Swans M200's, the better they look. It's almost impossible to find a bad review written by a sentient being, they're designed for excellent music reproduction rather than earthshaking explosions (exactly what I'm looking for), and the price, while not low by absolute standards, seems a real bargain for what they appear to offer. (It is hard to find a cheap stand to hold a >10 lb. speaker, though.) At this point, it looks like I'll probably end up with a pair of M200's.

Assuming I get the Swans, I'll use them without my current sub... it's designed to go specifically with the satellites it came with, so there's no crossover control (it's fixed at 180 Hz), no mini-stereo out (just two mono outs), etc... and besides, its sound quality would be no match for speakers like the Swans. Plus, while it's rated as low as 35 Hz, I have serious doubts that a sub approximately the size of a single M200 speaker really has much better low-end frequency response than they do--in which case, what's the point of a sub?. If I find I'd really like one, it's always easy to add it once my bank account regenerates a bit.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and pointers!
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Great. Sounds like the m200s are going to be a great match for you.

I've recommended them several times to people.

If you end up getting them, be sure to report back and let us know how you like them.
 

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The very best sound is going to come for a stereo system. You can find regular bookshelf speaker for around $100 and a stereo receiver or integrated amp on ebay for 50-140. It may be a better option if you are really into subtle music like classical and jazz.
 

magnificat

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Yeah... that's one thing I had thought of. The thing is, though, I don't have a damn clue about audio equipment. I'm also still worried about about the amout of space even something like the Swans would take; it's tough to shoehorn things into a dorm room, where I expect to remain for another three or four years. Buying audio equipment with little experience on a budget is a prescription for headache! And it's so much easier to find deals on Ebay when you know what's decent and what's... let's say, being sold for good reason. But I'm still not completely comfortable jumping into a simple solution like the Swans, either: great, from all I hear, but no chance to try it, and it would cost 1/3 of the price to return it.

Heck, maybe I'll just save some money and stick with what I've got for now. It can be annoying to have to pull up Winamp with its software preamp to get some passages on some CDs audible, but it's bearable... and the combination of pretty good quality on these speakers and a lack of opportunity to hear anything significantly nicer means I don't really know what I'm missing. One day I do need to put together a really nice setup, but maybe that's not today.

We'll see.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Just fyi: you can get much better quality from headphones in this pricerange than you can get from a speaker set.

If space is a concern, a nice $150 set of headphones would get you great quality and you could use them without bothering your roommate at night.

I'm kind of on the other end of the spectrum for how much audio equipment I jammed into my dorm room

Hey... electrical engineering, eh?
Do you think you'd be interested in building your own speakers? A little soldering and assembly and you could get a pair of very nice speakers like the Dayton BR-1's for significantly less than a comparable set of assembled speakers would be from an audio store.
Add a cheap receiver or integrated amp off ebay and you have yourself a nice audio setup. I got a stereo receiver for $40 shipped off ebay to power my bass shakers.
You could also get something like a refurb onkyo from ecost.
 

magnificat

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Just fyi: you can get much better quality from headphones in this pricerange than you can get from a speaker set.

If space is a concern, a nice $150 set of headphones would get you great quality and you could use them without bothering your roommate at night.

That is, in fact, an excellent idea--such an excellent one that I've already done it! Yet, though my Sennheiser HD280's have great quality and noticeably more detail, especially in complex scores, I still find myself using the speakers more than the headphones. It's a different experience with speakers than headphones... not necessarily better, but different.

As I continue to think things through, I'm thinking that I need to do two things concurrently:

(1) Get used to using the headphones more often. They sound excellent, they don't bother people, and I already own them--I think half of the reason I use the speakers more is just because I'm more accustomed to them.

(2) Hold off on any speaker purchase for now; what I've got serves adequately when I don't feel like using headphones. Instead, just keep poking around. The Swans appear to lead the powered speaker pack; now I start keeping up with reviews and forums to get a better sense of what's out there in terms of more traditional component equipment that I could connect my computer to, what's good for what, what I can get for a given amount of money, and so on. Then, in a few years, I'll be able to put both more money and more knowledge into a setup.
 

magnificat

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey... electrical engineering, eh?
Do you think you'd be interested in building your own speakers?

Oh, I'm always interested in building things. ;-)
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Good luck on your quest

Head over to AVSforum and hometheaterforum for more audio/video oriented forums.

I have a pair of HD-280s too

Like you I was also looking for a high quality speaker option after I was getting a little tired of my Logitech z-560s that I had been using for a couple years.

A year ago I started off my audio system with a Fluance SX-HTB set, an SV-6 pair, a Harman Kardon AVR-325, and the dayton 10" sub from partsexpress.

Since then I have upgraded my sub to an SVS, added bass shakers, and I think this week I'm going to be upgrading my speakers.... to these I think.

Be aware that your budget might swell going over to AVSforum
 

PurdueRy

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keep in mind some people are insane on AVSforum too. I find some people there....go a bit beyond what is necessary. I go there often but its not the HT forum I call home different HT forms will have different "types" of HT people
 

magnificat

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Oh, yes. I encountered the more... extreme sort of audiophile back when I was shopping for my HD280's. The people here have so far been incredibly helpful... no suggestion that my speaker wires should have platinum conductors, with mink fur insulation, and that only a certain receiver built in Bolivia for two months during 1963 will do. ;-) The more extreme folks are like irascible cows: you milk the information you need from them, and then keep a bit of distance before you get kicked in the wallet! But I suppose you can't blame people for getting a little obsessive in their hobbies. Again, thanks for all the thoughts! I need to hang out around AnandTech more.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: magnificat
I need to hang out around AnandTech more.

Famous last words

I think I have to stop hanging around AVSforum and other speaker company sites... I always seem to find a way to buy something new for myself

It's only been a year since I started HT stuff and by next week I'll have spent about 7 times my original budget :shocked:
 
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