2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 vs 3.0 Ghz P4....which do you want ?

[Mrburns2007]

Computer #1

Athlon 64
Windows XP 64 bit
64 bit windows apps


Computer #2

Pentium 4
Windows XP 32 bit
32 bit window apps

 

[zzzz]

I voted for 1 as I already have a system of 2.5ghz P4.

 

[mchammer187]

is there a point to this

by the time athlon reachs 2.2 Ghz (hammer) the P4 will at least be a 3.5 Ghz

 

[PlatinumGold]

is there a point to this

Yes.

I would say the point is, would you rather have more ghz or more bits. 3.x vs 64 bit

 

[Mrburns2007]

No the P4 will only reach 3.0 Ghz by quarter 4 which is the same time the clawhammer will be launched. The date is set for October 28 from what I hear and there doing everything to keep to that schedule.

 

[imgod2u]

Well, the key here is 64-bit software. Assuming that all the software I'm running take full use of 64-bit integers. In that case, I voted for computer 1. In realistic case, prolly the 3 GHz.

 

[Jgtdragon]

The 64 bit force me to choose #1

 

[MadRat]

Computer #3

4.0 GHz Pentium 1
Windows 3.2 16 bit
16 bit window apps

 

[tenoc]

Given the current price/performance ratio, the Amd piece will provide 95% of the power at 40% of the price. Your pick from there.

 

[Mrburns2007]

Hope Athlon 64 is as affordable as the Athlon XP is today. Figure $300 for a 2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 wouldn't be to bad.

 

[GX93117]

#1

Hammer will perform more instructions per cycle than the PIV. Making its speed almost as good as the PIV if not better. AND it will be 64bit.

 

[Diable]

I voted for computer 2 because I doubt there will be many x86-64 apps available when the 64bit Athlons are released.

 

[RichieZ]

#2 cause I don't have any 64bit software

 

[Zxabils]

I'd rather have a 2.2GHz Athlon64 (Hammer, Opteron) then even a 4.5GHz P4. The Hammer is a new architecture, with a much deeper pipeline, and will be MUCH MUCH more powerful than the Athlon is today. Not to mention, thanks to it's deep pipeline, it is going to be an ungodly incredible super scaler. I feel sorry for all of you whom fail to realize what the Hammer/Athlon64/Opteron is. One word for ya: n00b

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Zxabils
I'd rather have a 2.2GHz Athlon64 (Hammer, Opteron) then even a 4.5GHz P4. The Hammer is a new architecture, with a much deeper pipeline, and will be MUCH MUCH more powerful than the Athlon is today. Not to mention, thanks to it's deep pipeline, it is going to be an ungodly incredible super scaler. I feel sorry for all of you whom fail to realize what the Hammer/Athlon64/Opteron is. One word for ya: n00b

Here's what I gotta say for ya: Read sohcan's AnandTech FAQ entry.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Zxabils
I'd rather have a 2.2GHz Athlon64 (Hammer, Opteron) then even a 4.5GHz P4. The Hammer is a new architecture, with a much deeper pipeline, and will be MUCH MUCH more powerful than the Athlon is today. Not to mention, thanks to it's deep pipeline, it is going to be an ungodly incredible super scaler. I feel sorry for all of you whom fail to realize what the Hammer/Athlon64/Opteron is. One word for ya: n00b

A case of the pot calling the kettle black???? LOL!

 

[Adul]

64bit or not, the hammer will destroy the 3 Ghz p4. maybe a 3.5 or 3.73 Ghz p4 will be competitive.

however this above opinion is based soley on gut feeling.

my gut is usualy right

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Adul
64bit or not, the hammer will destroy the 3 Ghz p4. maybe a 3.5 or 3.73 Ghz p4 will be competitive.

however this above opinion is based soley on gut feeling.

my gut is usualy right

What would a woman know about computers?

 

[BFG10K]

64 bit windows apps

Apps which don't even exist? Uh, in that case give me computer 2 then.

 

[jayboal]

My understanding of 32- vs. 64-bit computing is that only certain applications (i.e. extremely high-precision scientific) will benefit in the slightest from 64-bit addressing; however, Opteron's dual 64-bit integrated memory controller should give a huge performance boost in other areas.

I'm very curious to see how it all stacks up, but in the meantime, I'd say that Opteron will probably outperform P4 when it is released.

 

[Athlon4all]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
is there a point to this

by the time athlon reachs 2.2 Ghz (hammer) the P4 will at least be a 3.5 Ghz

Not quite. On Offical roadmaps, the 3.06 P4 won't hit til Q1'03. Now, I personally feel that Intel will make a jump to 3GHz near the Hammer launch to try to steal AMD's thunder.

Well, the key here is 64-bit software. Assuming that all the software I'm running take full use of 64-bit integers. In that case, I voted for computer 1. In realistic case, prolly the 3 GHz.

I disagree. The key for the Hammer's success is the Integrated Memory Controller, and that's y my "gut" feeling says that a 2.2 athlon 64 will rip apart a 3.06 P4. Why, even a Barton 2.2 would be competitive with the 3.06 prolly.

 

[MadRat]

The highend HAMMER (MEGATRON or whatever) ought to be really interesting in comparison to OPTERON. There is supposed to be a high speed shared L3 cache between all of the chips that scoots data in between CPUs faster than shifting to main memory. Plus the point to point connections between CPUs operate in mesh topology rather than a star topology, offering direct sharing of L2 cache data between CPUs, too. The theoretical "bandwidth" scales with each CPU added, although in practicality it will never be a fraction of its theoretical efficiency.

 

[Mrburns2007]

megatron....lol might be a better name, clawhammer will become Athlon ?(64) and the sledgehammer has already been named Opteron.

 

[bigboxes]

I hope I can wait until then to upgrade...I hope AMD bumps up the FSB before then.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Zxabils
I'd rather have a 2.2GHz Athlon64 (Hammer, Opteron) then even a 4.5GHz P4. The Hammer is a new architecture, with a much deeper pipeline, and will be MUCH MUCH more powerful than the Athlon is today. Not to mention, thanks to it's deep pipeline, it is going to be an ungodly incredible super scaler. I feel sorry for all of you whom fail to realize what the Hammer/Athlon64/Opteron is. One word for ya: n00b

Interesting comment considdering where it's comming from.