[2/4 @ $88 per share] GME - Gamestop stock - anyone following this absolute MEME-HILARITY (now with Elon tweet)

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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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The ones who sell now are idiots. It makes zero sense to sell stocks at a loss. Even if the odds of going back up are low, you're still better off holding for the off chance that they do go back up. You don't lose anything as long as you don't sell.
Yes and no. You don't know what the future price will be. This could drift lower and stay there for decades until GME actually goes out of business. Or maybe Ryan Cohen and his associates will really turn around GME business. But no one knows.

It can make perfect sense to sell stocks at a loss. It's true you don't realize actual loss until you sell or the company goes out of business and shares become worthless. But just because you don't realize actual loss by holding doesn't mean there's not mark to market loss. There's opportunity cost of holding. Even if the stock stops falling and stays at this level forever, you're suffering opportunity cost by holding. While your money is invested in dead money stock, your money could be working elsewhere and making money. You can always use the money you have in GME somewhere else. That's opportunity cost. Everyone has to make a decision whether that cost is worth it or not.

When you hold shares in company in a company that does not pay any dividend, your really not owner of a company in traditional sense. The only way you can profit from holding your shares is if you sell to someone for higher price than what you paid. That's the only way you can make money as shareholder in a company stock that pays no dividend. And stock price rises when there are more buyers and sellers and vice versa. So in a way, stocks are popularity contest. Popular stock price will go up because increased demand and unpopular stock price will fall because less demand. So if a stock pays no dividend, you're really not getting anything out of it other than when you sell your shares for hopefully higher price.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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I am surprised Gamestop even survived the shutdown. Hopefully for the sake of their employees they took the opportunity to issue stock during this.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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I am surprised Gamestop even survived the shutdown. Hopefully for the sake of their employees they took the opportunity to issue stock during this.
They were too dumb to do that, granted the window of opportunity was fairly narrow.
Meanwhile, AMC converted a bunch of its debt to (inflated price) equity so they are a direct beneficiary of the pump and dump.
 
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ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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The ones who sell now are idiots. It makes zero sense to sell stocks at a loss. Even if the odds of going back up are low, you're still better off holding for the off chance that they do go back up. You don't lose anything as long as you don't sell.

You really think so? At the rate Game Stop is losing money, it should probably be a sub $10 stock if it wasn't for Reddit pumping it up.

It's like the Sears or K-Mart of video games, and that company is a penny stock now.
 
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Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
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126
$53.50 at closed today, a 41% drop. The fat lady is checking her vocal cord.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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They were too dumb to do that, granted the window of opportunity was fairly narrow.
Meanwhile, AMC converted a bunch of its debt to (inflated price) equity so they are a direct beneficiary of the pump and dump.
I don't necessary think they were dumb not to sell shares. The backlash they would've received from the Reddit crowd would've been insane. GME received more in free advertising and goodwill from this whole episode than they could probably buy with any amount of advertising dollars. Ryan Cohen might genuinely believe he can revive GME. But you can't do that if the whole world hates your company and your guts.

GME is not in horrible shape financially. I thought they should've sold shares to wipe out their debt early on in the mania. But if they did that at the height of the mania, they could've been crucified by the public.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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You don't lose anything as long as you don't sell.
Not quite. You are correct in the short term, but in the long term, you can very well lose without selling. If GameStop keeps losing money, then it has only a few long-term options. It could sell the shares for you in a merger or go bankrupt which essentially dissolves your shares for you. Short-term it can take on more debt (which the shareholders therefore own this debt) or issue more shares of stock (which just reduces your ownership). But once those money raising options go dry, you can very well lose by holding onto a bad company.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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You really think so? At the rate Game Stop is losing money, it should probably be a sub $10 stock if it wasn't for Reddit pumping it up.

It's like the Sears or K-Mart of video games, and that company is a penny stock now.
Sears/K-Mart was different situation. They made horrible deal with the devil and Eddie Lampert drove Sears into bankruptcy after he extracted and stole everything from Sears and K-Mart. Eddie Lampert used his hedge fund to steal everything and just left the empty dead carcass of Sears left to rot. Eddie Lampert wasn't interested in reviving Sears. He wanted to part it out and enrich himself.

GameStop fate is still unknown. We'll see what Ryan Cohen and his associates can do with GameStop.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I am surprised Gamestop even survived the shutdown. Hopefully for the sake of their employees they took the opportunity to issue stock during this.
I will say this, both times I've gone into a GameStop in the past 6 months, there were other customers in there.
Granted, I was only in there to pick up online orders for dirt cheap used games...
You really think so? At the rate Game Stop is losing money, it should probably be a sub $10 stock if it wasn't for Reddit pumping it up.

It's like the Sears or K-Mart of video games, and that company is a penny stock now.
It was indeed sub-$10 for over a year.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Sears/K-Mart was different situation. They made horrible deal with the devil and Eddie Lampert drove Sears into bankruptcy after he extracted and stole everything from Sears and K-Mart. Eddie Lampert used his hedge fund to steal everything and just left the empty dead carcass of Sears left to rot. Eddie Lampert wasn't interested in reviving Sears. He wanted to part it out and enrich himself.

GameStop fate is still unknown. We'll see what Ryan Cohen and his associates can do with GameStop.

Honestly, the only way to save GameStop would be to close about 80% of its unprofitable stores and switch over to online ordering for everything else.

Basically, they need to become the next Steam or Epic Games Store before they get crushed by them.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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Honestly, the only way to save GameStop would be to close about 80% of its unprofitable stores and switch over to online ordering for everything else.

Basically, they need to become the next Steam or Epic Games Store before they get crushed by them.
The other way to save GameStop is to convince a bunch of people to take $500 to GameStop, buy something and have fun playing with what they bought. That $500 times millions of people would save the company and destroy the shorts.

Or millions of people can be had in a pump-and-dump.

One of the two.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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The other way to save GameStop is to convince a bunch of people to take $500 to GameStop, buy something and have fun playing with what they bought. That $500 times millions of people would save the company and destroy the shorts.

Or millions of people can be had in a pump-and-dump.

One of the two.

I just find it astounding how Gamestop can be losing money (and a LOT of money) during 2 major console launches. This is the time when they should be kicking ass.

They also seem to suck at logistics, too. I tried to order a t-shirt with a Game Stop logo on it from their website last week, and they had none in stock. You know who did? Amazon. Think about that for a second.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,689
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Honestly, the only way to save GameStop would be to close about 80% of its unprofitable stores and switch over to online ordering for everything else.

Basically, they need to become the next Steam or Epic Games Store before they get crushed by them.
I don't have the answer. But there are definitely things they can do. They're going to have to experiment. Definitely continue to work on their online sales and presence. And they have to have bigger presence in social media, Youtube, Tiktok, etc. They should've bought something like Twitch when they had the chance years back. I think they need to jump into e-Sports and really push that hard. Have competitions and convert some of their stores into eSports arenas and social gathering places. Have sit-down gaming at their stores and eSports competitions. Rent out venues for e-Sports and find sponsors and advertising. Grow it. e-Sports can be huge in this country. Make it so that when people think e-Sport, they think of GameStop. Sort of like ESPN. Become like retailer/media/all things gaming company. Setup your own Steam or Epic games type online stores/distribution. I don't know. I'm not really a gamer anymore. But I see my nephew and little kids addicted to online gaming. You have to tap that market somehow whether through Twitch like service or Youtube streaming. Make your site and stores the central hub of all things gaming. Create eSports league and launch Twitch like streaming network.

I don't know. I'm just randomly thinking and typing some of the possible things they could do. I'm sure they can get better ideas. But GameStop needs to change and can't keep going down their continued path. They need someone new with vision. Maybe Ryan Cohen is that guy.
 

JM Aggie08

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
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It was a fun ride -- got out when I saw the inevitable nosedive.

Can't help but feel there are A LOT of folks put in far more than they could afford to lose. Also a major fundamental misunderstanding that this whole thing was a BET and not an investment...at least to the extent of which WSB was assuring folks.

Who knows, maybe I'll be wrong. Just going to enjoy not watching the ticket non-stop lol.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,135
2,445
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The other way to save GameStop is to convince a bunch of people to take $500 to GameStop, buy something and have fun playing with what they bought. That $500 times millions of people would save the company and destroy the shorts.

Or millions of people can be had in a pump-and-dump.

One of the two.

It's true... if everyone would have spent the money that they spent on GameStop stock on actual stuff at GameStop, they probably would have had their first profitable quarter in years. The buyers would actually have something to show for their money as well. Shiny new Nintendo Switches are more fun than a negative number on your monthly account statement.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
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It was a fun ride -- got out when I saw the inevitable nosedive.

Can't help but feel there are A LOT of folks put in far more than they could afford to lose. Also a major fundamental misunderstanding that this whole thing was a BET and not an investment...at least to the extent of which WSB was assuring folks.

Who knows, maybe I'll be wrong. Just going to enjoy not watching the ticket non-stop lol.
Getting into something that is extremely overpriced, extremely volatile, and is expected to pay off in days is extremely risky. And betting with money that one can 'afford' to lose doesn't actually prepare one for actually losing most or all of it, and I'll bet a lot of people are kicking themselves now. I think people in general probably make better trade and investment decisions when they treat their money like they can't afford to lose it.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
It would be epic if DFV testifies in front of congress about GME and pumps DOGE in the process.
 

gill77

Senior member
Aug 3, 2006
813
250
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The thing that surprised me the most was that the sell off was not nearly as fast as I expected.

My guess is that there were a lot of folks involved in the squeeze who have not become accustomed to the cutting your losses short part. Just a guess.

My hat is off to those who paid with their hard earned dollars to make the historic event possible.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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People make donation to causes they believe in. This was my donation. Would make the same donation again.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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My regret was AMC. Because I put a limit order on it maybe a day or two before becoming aware of wallstreetbets. The limit order price was $2 on the long term expectation that the market would dial back.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
29,557
146
I don't necessary think they were dumb not to sell shares. The backlash they would've received from the Reddit crowd would've been insane. GME received more in free advertising and goodwill from this whole episode than they could probably buy with any amount of advertising dollars. Ryan Cohen might genuinely believe he can revive GME. But you can't do that if the whole world hates your company and your guts.

GME is not in horrible shape financially. I thought they should've sold shares to wipe out their debt early on in the mania. But if they did that at the height of the mania, they could've been crucified by the public.

I dunno, EA still seems to be doing well all these years.
 
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