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Edit: This thread shouldn't even be about Ron Paul. Just that I couldn't help myself but respond to LegendKiller's constant hate.
its not. i threw that in for the lulz
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Edit: This thread shouldn't even be about Ron Paul. Just that I couldn't help myself but respond to LegendKiller's constant hate.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110918/NEWS01/109180480/1001/rss01
it is time to bring jobs back to America. vote Ron Paul.
When I said that the currency peg is a scarecrow, I meant that the USA is actually giving China an outlet to peg its currency, in the form of bond auctions which soak up all the USD they receive from the trade imbalance. Obviously a bond does have return and as such China is experiencing inflation on an increasing rate because of the massive amount of bonds they have, but it is definitely slowed because they are able to buy UST and delay the impact of the dollars.
It matters immensely that they are invested into UST and not hot dogs or anything else you listed. When they are in UST they are effectively taken out of the economy and it allows the Fed to control the supply of money. If they were to go to hot dog companies the supply of money would go up and we'd experience the inflation immediately.
Also your gold backed scenario is flawed. I can accept that you are saying that China will manipulate their gold holdings via hoarding and not letting their increased gold holdings from trade imbalances work towards inflation of prices. You are leaving out the fact that the deflation that the USA will experience will make USA domestic products more appealing to those in the USA. All the while China would have to refuse to use their increased purchasing power as a nation to let their gold reserves deflate. There would be literally no reason to not allow themselves the use of gold and continue to hoard indefinitely. Eventually it would reach a point that the USA and other deflated nations wouldn't trade internationally because their prices were competitive to any export China had to offer. But really its just a silly thought experiment. We wouldn't go to gold unless fiat currency collapsed in a hyper-inflationary scenario.
It's the USA that is abusing monetary policy, not China. If the strength of our currency was allowed to reflect our economic situation for the past 40 years, we wouldn't have been able to sustain such huge trade imbalances, regardless of how hard countries tried to maintain a peg to our currency.
Edit: This thread shouldn't even be about Ron Paul. Just that I couldn't help myself but respond to LegendKiller's constant hate.
Sorry, but the Fed has control over the monetary flow in the US regardless of what China does. If it wasn't USTs, it'd be RMBS, if it wasn't RMBS, it'd be munis. Money out of the economy through investments is money out.
Now, the problem with China is that for every USD printed, they have to print 6x RMB. Every time the dollar is weakened, and they are trying to stop that, the RMB must be weakened, which is why they have such a huge problem right now.
The jobs issue isn't a scarecrow, the marginal differential between China production and US production is almost wholly accounted for by the labor/currency differential. The remainder is pollution, regulation, and general health of US workers. The deflation issue is nonsensical, ever look at the real trajectory of China GDP plotted against the RMB? You'll notice something, as they devalued, their GDP skyrocketed, there's a reason for this.
China's inflation isn't caused by their purchases of bonds, it's caused by the government having to print RMB to keep the peg and FDI.
That's not even to mention that every dollar invested in USTs actually does result in money going into the US economy in the form of domestic government spending.
If they went to hot dogs they would increase the cost of hot dogs and the hot dog makers would make money, employing more people and yes, eventually inflation. However, that wouldn't be until the entire economy was effected by the raise in employment in hot dogs. The benefit behind buying up USTs is that they prevent the money from going to other investments. The Japanese did this well, until they couldn't anymore and eventually bought "stuff", eventually floating the entire US economy upwards while they went down.
Again, you think that China would go to gold, but the problem is that they don't need to. As we pegged to gold our currency would raise while theirs would go down. This would make their goods look cheaper. They could simply drain the US of gold, as France did around the turn of the 20th century, resulting in a Treasury crisis and JPM acting as the Fed. Except this time China would still be manipulating the currency and causing a trade imbalance.
We don't maintain the trade imbalances, they are forced upon us through currency manipulation of the Asian countries. That's what you're not getting.
The other stuff I'll get to later, but you have what I bolded completely backwards. The USA up until recently hasn't let the dollar depreciate in a way that signifies the amount of money printing that has gone on, this is purely because instead of growing the monetary base for every dollar of printing that goes to trade deficits, they have grown foreign bank reserve holdings.
China is not the USA of the 1920s lending to foreign countries so they can dump their surpluses on them to keep their economy growing, that is how government debt worked on a gold standard. Modern fiat currency operates differently.
http://pragcap.com/resources/understanding-modern-monetary-system
http://pragcap.com/does-china-fund-our-spending
Read and be enriched with economic knowledge comrade.
The dollar had been depreciating for a long time before. The tide was stemmed by the .bombs, then the credit bubble fallout, mainly because other currencies are in more trouble, not because we don't want to have it depreciate. It wasn't kept strong voluntarily and certainly not against China voluntarily. China managed the peg very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1_RMB_to_US_dollar.svg
In order to force them to appreciate the Fed has resorted to direct UST purchases, this forces China to print a huge amount of RMB in order to maintain the peg where their goods are competitive against the US goods. You're already seeing marginal players sort out.
China is absolutely doing that, it's the only way they can growth their economy. Without the ability to keep the manufacturing sector humming along they cannot produce a modern consumerist economy. They are draining wealth from the US to bootstrap their economy to the 21st century. Their single largest fear is further depreciation of the USD because, in order to keep the peg, they would need to print 6x as much RMB, flooding their domestic markets with it, further expanding the monetary base, resulting in domestic inflation. It's why their domestic inflation is far higher.
You're an ignorant fool if you think that they aren't keeping their currency low to dump cheap goods onto the US. Even their own people have said that's what they are doing.
Are you unwilling to acknowledge then that the USA has no part in selling treasuries to China to allow it to keep their currency low?
haha sorry. I was trying to watch netflix while posting, bad idea apparently.
What I meant was, are you unwilling to acknowledge that the USA has no part in selling the treasuries that China buys in order for China to keep their currency in a favorable position against the dollar.
Basically I'm asking if you read either of the 2 articles I posted, I'm thinking you didn't.
Seriously. Can we get one official Ron Paul spam thread where you can circlejerk until the 2012 grand finale of ~50K votes out of 130M.
There are a lot of cars around Chicago with Ron Paul 2012 Restore America Now stickers
Other than a ton of anti-Obama stickers, Ron's supporters are clearly the most visible as of today 9-20-2011.