2.6 celeron, so what RAM?

[maXroOt]

hey, so i havent really kept up w/ the computer hardware world in a couple of years, and i have a question...
i am getting a 2.6 ghz celeron, and am not sure what is the fastest DDR ram that i can take full advantage of? right now i have a thunderbird, with ddr 266 mgz (if i remember correctly). so what should i get?
thanx

 

[justly]

Anything but a celeron.

did you miss this review

 

[Ionizer86]

Hey,

Since you havne't got it yet, let me steer you from a Celeron. It'll probably be a downgrade from the Thunderbird. DDR is usually what they use, but what kind? Nobody knows, since Celerons are very unpopular. See for yourself here. No kidding that an Athlon XP at like 2000+ can beat a Celeron overclocked to 3000.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Like they say, step 1 is to not buy the celeron at all. An AMD XP makes far more sense, or if you must have intel on a budget then get any real P4 over 2.0 GHz (including the 533 FSB "B" models). Buying some used P4 400-533 MHz from the FS/FT forum would also be a mich better deal.

Run away!

 

[mrgoblin]

Get ANYTHING except the celeron. You will do better with a 2.4 ht enabled chip and 2 sticks of pc 3200 256mb ddr sticks. Buffalo makes some nice sticks. If thats too expensive then well dell has some nice deals.

 

[PaveHawk]

To answer your question, PC2700 or PC3200 from Crucial, OCZ, Geil, Kingston, Samsung, or other quality name, would work fine for your system.

 

[maXroOt]

hahahaa i knew everyone was gonna say dont get a celeron.

eh, the motherboard combo was cheap, and it definitely will be better then my current set up since things are going screwy. i know the cache on the celeron sux , but i doubt i will keep this chip for that long, it is more of a temporary thing since my laptop broke and i wanna get a new one, so in the mean time im upgrading my desktop for cheap.

PaveHawk:
thanx for the reply

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Ok, while you enjoy your "upgrade", I would probably say DDR266.

For the $90 that it cost you for just the chip, a 2500+ barton could have gone a lot further.

Most likely by screwy you mean things slowing down, etc? AdAware\Spybot are your friends

 

[maXroOt]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Ok, while you enjoy your "upgrade", I would probably say DDR266.

For the $90 that it cost you for just the chip, a 2500+ barton could have gone a lot further.

Most likely by screwy you mean things slowing down, etc? AdAware\Spybot are your friends

didnt cost me 90 bucks for just the chip

and by screwy things, i mean i get read/write memory errors (lifetime warrently on crucial ram right? i should get that replaced, i knwo it isnt the processor). bios seems to think its a 900 mhz chip, so i gotta change that (it seems like after i change settings, after a little bit it goes back to its 900 mhz setting) and it runs too hot, even though i got a heatsink and fan that should work for a much much faster chip. so i cant even try to overclock it.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: maXroOt

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Ok, while you enjoy your "upgrade", I would probably say DDR266.

For the $90 that it cost you for just the chip, a 2500+ barton could have gone a lot further.

Most likely by screwy you mean things slowing down, etc? AdAware\Spybot are your friends

didnt cost me 90 bucks for just the chip

and by screwy things, i mean i get read/write memory errors (lifetime warrently on crucial ram right? i should get that replaced, i knwo it isnt the processor). bios seems to think its a 900 mhz chip, so i gotta change that (it seems like after i change settings, after a little bit it goes back to its 900 mhz setting) and it runs too hot, even though i got a heatsink and fan that should work for a much much faster chip. so i cant even try to overclock it.

I remeber some deals Athlon 1700+ and Motherboard for 69 bucks... that would be better an Athlon classic will outperform the best celeron. Hell the old celerons outperferm the new ones lol

 

[RobCur]

But AMD cpu run so hot, i swear thats why it was named spitfire in the first place.
Duron vs Celeron, only 20 percent faster.
XP vs Duron, 10 percent faster.
I have a rich friend who hates AMD, he fries XP cpu for fun
LMAO, so i help him by lighting a matches on it and put this sucker out of its misery. He paid me measly 30 bucks for each cpu I fried for him ... *chuckle*
This dude has money to burn and loves to entertain himself w/it, btw his code name is mc.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: RobCur
But AMD cpu run so hot, i swear thats why it was named spitfire in the first place.
Duron vs Celeron, only 20 percent faster.

And you save $50

XP vs Duron, 10 percent faster.

In benchmarks. Having used a Duron for quite awhile before a real Athlon...it makes a real difference. Durons just feel slow (like Celerons do).

I have a rich friend who hates AMD, he fries XP cpu for fun
LMAO, so i help him by lighting a matches on it and put this sucker out of its misery. He paid me measly 30 bucks for each cpu I fried for him ... *chuckle*
This dude has money to burn and loves to entertain himself w/it, btw his code name is mc.

1. Only TBirds ran hot. The current XPs run cooler than P4s.
2. Your friend needs professional help.
3. Really, he does.
4. Call a shrink.

 

[PliotronX]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: RobCur
But AMD cpu run so hot, i swear thats why it was named spitfire in the first place.
Duron vs Celeron, only 20 percent faster.

And you save $50

XP vs Duron, 10 percent faster.

In benchmarks. Having used a Duron for quite awhile before a real Athlon...it makes a real difference. Durons just feel slow (like Celerons do).

I have a rich friend who hates AMD, he fries XP cpu for fun
LMAO, so i help him by lighting a matches on it and put this sucker out of its misery. He paid me measly 30 bucks for each cpu I fried for him ... *chuckle*
This dude has money to burn and loves to entertain himself w/it, btw his code name is mc.

1. Only TBirds ran hot. The current XPs run cooler than P4s.
2. Your friend needs professional help.
3. Really, he does.
4. Call a shrink.

Really.. if this friend dislikes AMD so much, why doesn't he just invest the money in Intel instead? *points finger to head and circles*

From Sandpile.org:

62.6 W (2.6 GHz 0.13 µm µPGA478 @ 1.525 V with 128 KB L2)
~82 W (2.6 GHz 0.13 µm µPGA478 @ 1.525 V with 128 KB L2)

1917C MHz BT: 53.7 W (1.65 V)
1917C MHz BT: 68.3 W (1.65 V)

That's the P4-Celery and the Athlon XP 2600+ (Barton) with typical and max usage. Of course against the competition, in performance the latter is a lot faster than its PR implies...

 

[Ionizer86]

maXroOt, I wouldn't even consider the Celeron an upgrade. Take a look at the chart and notice how far ahead of the Celerons the 1700+ (1.47GHz) is. If your Tbird is a 1.4, 1.33, or even 1.2, it should be ahead of any Celeron when you extrapolate downwards. The Celeron just scales so bad.

 

[LouPoir]

Do yourself a favor - dont get a Celeron - its a real dog.

Lou

 

[justly]

Lets see, a 2.6GHz Celeron runs at a 400MHz FSB (quad pumped 100MHz) you ask the question "what is the fastest DDR ram that i can take full advantage of?" someone tells you to get DDR memory that runs at 166MHz or 200MHz, and you thank them...

A 2.6GHz is going to use a 26x multiplier so to take full advantage of even 133MHz DDR ram it would require your celeron to be overclocked to (133 x 26) 3.46GHz, do you really expect this or more?

Moving on, you plan to use this untill you replace a broken notebook.

I see three posibilities
1. you can't afford a new notebook, meaning you will be stuck on the desktop for a while.
2. you can afford a notebook but not the one you want, so back to the first reason.
3. you have plenty of money but are waiting on a laptop with more features to come to market, meaning you will be stuck on the celeron desktop again, when you could easily afford more.

Kinda sounds like an oxymoron to me. I can't afford a notebook so I spend money on a desktop that I dont really want and will make the notebook even more out of my reach, or what is on the market isnt good enough so I will use something even worse.

I guess I just don't understand your situation, so I will at least thank you for supporting the economy by spending your money frivolously.

 

[BlvdKing]

LOL. Let the man have his Celeron.

The type of memory he needs depends on the motherboard. Alot of P4 motherboards, even the good old i845 will run the memory async from the FSB, which won't hurt performance on the P4 at all. Even though the chip will have a 400 MHz FSB, it should allow the memory to run at 266 MHz, or even 333 or 400 async from the FSB on the newer models.

To sum up:
read the motherboard manual to find out what memory is supported. You will at least be able to run PC2100 even though the FSB is at 400 MHz. You might be able to use faster memory though.

 

[justly]

You take me to serious, I guess I should have thrown in a few smiley faces.
It is doubtfull that he would be getting a newer model motherboard in a celeron combo package, and with it only being temporary solution anyway he should be looking at price more than anything (IMO) unless he plans to reuse this memory in a future upgrade. In that case why even get the celeron.

Almost forgot, disperse these throughout my posts as needed I hope thats enough.

 

[maXroOt]

system board is PCCHIPS M922LR. i read somewhere that it supports up to ddr330, so thats probably what ill go w/ when/if i get some more memory.

and i got the stuff for like, $70 from my friend. so since xmas is around, figured i would ask for this while i save up for a laptop and the prices decrease more since i dont need anything too special. i no longer do java development or web stuff, i mostly just use it for basic java stuff, basic video editing, movies, mp3s, etc

 

[Ionizer86]

You can get DDR400 anyway (PC3200) if the cost is about the same. It'll run 333 at better timings, and you could put it to more use in the future. Of course, this is based on the assumption that costs are roughly equal.

 

[InlineFive]

The old myth that Athlons run hot isn't true. They do run hotter then Intel chips but with adequate cooling it's quite an acceptable level.

 

[mrgoblin]

I wanna get an old celery and overclock for fun

 

[CDRecorder]

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
The old myth that Athlons run hot isn't true. They do run hotter then Intel chips but with adequate cooling it's quite an acceptable level.

The old Athlon Thunderbirds ran pretty hot, but the XPs don't run hot at all. My XP2000+ Thoroughbred only runs 40-41 deg. C at full load, even without a super-powerful heatsink.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: CDRecorder

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
The old myth that Athlons run hot isn't true. They do run hotter then Intel chips but with adequate cooling it's quite an acceptable level.

The old Athlon Thunderbirds ran pretty hot, but the XPs don't run hot at all. My XP2000+ Thoroughbred only runs 40-41 deg. C at full load, even without a super-powerful heatsink.

My XP3200+ only runs 42-45 deg. C at full load, even with a super-powerful heatsink.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: maXroOt
system board is PCCHIPS M922LR. i read somewhere that it supports up to ddr330, so thats probably what ill go w/ when/if i get some more memory.

and i got the stuff for like, $70 from my friend. so since xmas is around, figured i would ask for this while i save up for a laptop and the prices decrease more since i dont need anything too special. i no longer do java development or web stuff, i mostly just use it for basic java stuff, basic video editing, movies, mp3s, etc

LMAO 70 dollars for a celeron and cheapo motherboard? ur friend ripped u off bad! $47 - Athlon XP 1700 throw in a 30 dollar motherboard and u got double the performance.