2 Muslims run over british soldier then behead him IN LONDON.

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So are all the morons who said radical Islam wasn't a problem in England going to apologize? Things like this will become more common.

Hopefully these two face the harshest justice.
 

Oldgamer

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Whoever they person was that typed on that Live leak needs to learn how to type. It was hard to read with the slang on there. I am sure that England will get a handle on the radicals over there.
 

Kadarin

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In the OT thread I said this:

I am of course absolutely certain that the entire Muslim community in the UK is going to stand as one to firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again.

/sarcasm
 

irishScott

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If you mean the leaders of a meaninglessly small and un-influential minority denouncing the act, well yeah I'm sure that'll happen. It's like if the Presidents of Luxembourg and Liechtenstein denounced the EU. No one who matters would really give a shit.

Unfortunately there are still 10s or hundreds of millions of Muslims who, even if they don't directly support such acts, do believe they are morally justified.
 

Orignal Earl

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In the OT thread I said this:

I am of course absolutely certain that the entire Muslim community in the UK is going to stand as one to firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again.

/sarcasm

Fiyaz Mughal, the director of Faith Matters and co-ordinator of the UK Government-backed anti-Muslim hatred ‘Tell MAMA’ project said of today’s Woolwich killing: The cold blooded killing of a serving British soldier is a crime that sickens every member of every community in the UK. For the peace of our communities to be shattered like this is almost unthinkable. We must come together, isolate those who believe that extremism and violence are acceptable, and work to ensure that they meet the full force of the law. We as the Muslim community will work against anyone who promotes such hatred. Our armed forces deserve respect for putting their lives on the line, irrespective of what we think about the political decisions that put their lives in harm’s way. Their blood is indeed our treasure which we must always protect, just as they protect us.

The Muslim Council of Britain also issued statement.

"This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly. Our thoughts are with the victim and his family. We understand the victim is a serving member of the armed forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s armed forces, proudly and with honour. This attack on a member of the armed forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/woolwich-two-shot-in-police-incident-live-coverage
 

Texashiker

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I am sure that England will get a handle on the radicals over there.

The problem is, the violence is no longer "over there."

With the boston bombings, the violence is here and now.

This is a clash of cultures. Sooner or later radical islam will have to be dealt with.
 

Veliko

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In the OT thread I said this:

I am of course absolutely certain that the entire Muslim community in the UK is going to stand as one to firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again.

/sarcasm

Yeah, and next time there's a rape I'm sure that the entire male community is going to stand as one to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 

Murloc

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The fact that he did it as muslim terrorism is irrelevant.
What's relevant is that african-style executions are being carried out on the street in a country where you can't even buy a kitchen knife without going through hoops.

Maybe at least Sweden will wake up once they understand that there is no magic recipe, immigration has to be limited to the minimum necessary for the economy or at some point self-contained alienated communities form.
 
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Texashiker

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The fact that he did it as muslim terrorism is irrelevant.
What's relevant is that african-style executions are being carried out on the street in a country where you can't even buy a kitchen knife without going through hoops.

I wonder how those types of murders are going to affect the debate on gun control.
 

Orignal Earl

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Sooner or later radical islam will have to be dealt with.

The Somali said this was revenge for what British soldiers have already done in Somalia
We are fighting with radical Islam everyday and have been for a very long time with the greatest force imaginable.
Even Incor points out Obama and his drone strikes a couple times a week
 
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StinkyPinky

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The fact that he did it as muslim terrorism is irrelevant.
What's relevant is that african-style executions are being carried out on the street in a country where you can't even buy a kitchen knife without going through hoops.

Maybe at least Sweden will wake up once they understand that there is no magic recipe, immigration has to be limited to the minimum necessary for the economy or at some point self-contained alienated communities form.

Thank god he wasn't armed with a gun. Could have been so much worse.
 

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"The footage shown on the ITV website shows a man, speaking to the camera, saying: "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303














Sounds more like a PR firm than a terrorist. The people are not buying this bullshit anymore.
 

Double Trouble

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As the number of muslims in the western world increases, we're going to see more and more of these events, clashes between civilization and a culture/religion that has not yet evolved past the dark ages and is simply incompatible with freedom.
 

Orignal Earl

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As the number of muslims in the western world increases, we're going to see more and more of these events, clashes between civilization and a culture/religion that has not yet evolved past the dark ages and is simply incompatible with freedom.

I only posted a couple of the statements from my link because I knew no one would bother reading anymore then that. You must of skipped over the whole thing though.
Let's see if I can edit it down some more

Muslims have long served in this country’s armed forces, proudly and with honour. This attack on a member of the armed forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder.
 

Double Trouble

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I only posted a couple of the statements from my link because I knew no one would bother reading anymore then that. You must of skipped over the whole thing though.
Let's see if I can edit it down some more

I read the links, but quite frankly, such statements are completely worthless and irrelevant. The culture and religion themselves are incompatible with freedom. No amount of blathering by supposed leaders of various groups changes that.

For example, what percentage of muslims in civilized countries do you suppose would agree that insulting of the prophet or islam should result in punishment under the law? What about apostasy? I'd bet that percentage is high, and those positions are incompatible with free speech principles.

How can you have people coexist in a free society when one subsection of them goes violently crazy over a cartoon depiction of their supposed prophet?
 

Orignal Earl

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How can you have people coexist in a free society when one subsection of them goes violently crazy over a cartoon depiction of their supposed prophet?

Muslims have been here a long time and things have been fine.
The Middle East has been messed up for a long time.
You don't suppose any of the Muslim's here came to get away from that do you?
You know, to practice their faith in peace, like the pilgrims
 

Cerb

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The fact that he did it as muslim terrorism is irrelevant.
What's relevant is that african-style executions are being carried out on the street in a country where you can't even buy a kitchen knife without going through hoops.

Maybe at least Sweden will wake up once they understand that there is no magic recipe, immigration has to be limited to the minimum necessary for the economy or at some point self-contained alienated communities form.
Also, who is allowed in is important. Soul-dead folks from war-torn African or ME nations are not going to assimilate well, on average.

It's not the Quran (sorry guys, but you need to read your Bibles without your clergy's goggles on). It's that Europe's empires left shitholes, and as those shitholes started to come together, their successors tried to, "fix things," left and right, and screwed it up even more, mostly during the cold war (not that we aren't still cycling those personalities through our circles of power). The cultures left from all that seem to have, by and large, coalesced under Islam.

One thing the violent factions seem to have in common is acting like abused: the idea that abusing unrelated people now is actually a worthwhile revenge tactic against actions from the past (FI, if they wanted to assassinate someone near the top from that time, regardless of the ethics of it, that would at least be revenge against a related party).

I do not mean to defend the swaths of supportive and apathetic Muslims, but it is pretty clear that it is a culture and class problem (there's more to learning than just the 3 Rs: emotional habits are also learned), more than anything else, and no appeasing or kind supporting will take care of it (what will, aside from deportation and mandatory cultural assimilation, to weed out the self-ghettoing types? Hell if I know).
 

berzerker60

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News Flash: Individual person does something awful in the world, is a follower of the world's biggest religion. Let's generalize!
I'm sure there were no grisly murders in the US (or Somalia, or Afghanistan) by Christians the same day, that's for sure.
 
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