2 Police Officers Shot During Ferguson Protest

[TechBoyJK]

An idiot shooting at someone, missing, and hitting a wall of cops seems predictable for the area. I'm from the area, and these kind of stupid moves are all too familiar.

Keep in mind, part of the problem caused by the oppressive 'regime' in Ferguson is that poor people are held back, not just financially, but educationally. The oppression has created a town of idiots, who are poor, frustrated, and systematically harassed.

This creates angry idiots.

 

[cabri]

It will be interesting to hear the stories of the companions as well as who the targets were and where they were.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...son-shooting-suspect-i-cant-let-you-say-that/

 

[Jhhnn]

An idiot shooting at someone, missing, and hitting a wall of cops seems predictable for the area. I'm from the area, and these kind of stupid moves are all too familiar.

Keep in mind, part of the problem caused by the oppressive 'regime' in Ferguson is that poor people are held back, not just financially, but educationally. The oppression has created a town of idiots, who are poor, frustrated, and systematically harassed.

This creates angry idiots.

Obviously the whole town of Ferguson are not idiots so it's dishonest to tar them all with that brush.

Try this instead-

Keep in mind, part of the problem caused by the oppressive 'regime' in Ferguson is that poor people are held back, not just financially, but educationally. The oppression has created a town of people who are poor, frustrated, and systematically harassed.

This creates angry people.

It's not just about poor people, but about working & middle class people, too. As the agents of economic oppression, the Ferguson cops put the beat down on all of 'em.

 

[Fern]

If you really believe that the police were not the intended targets... wow. Just wow.

IDK about the poster you quoted, but at this point I don't believe the police were the intended targets.

I'm hearing a .40 cal pistol, barrel is likely approx. 3"-5.5". I'm hearing a distance of 125-150 yards. I'm hearing 3 shots fired at maximum. Moving car? Moving target? Wind? IDK. But unless this guy is a world class professional trick shot artist with an expensive and highly accuratized custom pistol, excellent ammo and he had plenty of time for training to practice for the slope/drop from he shot to where the victims were - I say no damn way he could hit anything near what he was aiming at. I.e., he was shooting at someone else and hit the cops by accident.

Fern

 

[deafeninsilence]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/politics/ferguson-report-hands-up-michael-brown-darren-wilson/

 

[cabri]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/politics/ferguson-report-hands-up-michael-brown-darren-wilson/

Old news

And many of us had looked even before the GJ announcement and predicted the same outcome.

Big thing is that the shooter last week has changed his story (2nd or 3rd time?).

At this point; anything he states is suspect.
As I stated in the beginning; what his companions say under separate examination will be the telling issue.

 

[zephyrprime]

Here's what America needs to do to reduce this problem: First, all fines, fees and seizures performed by the police needs to be fully refunded to the polity that the police polices every year. This will prevent harassing of the citizens in order to make money which happens now. Second, cops who have charges against them need to be prosecuted by a special prosecutor and not the da. This will prevent DA's from going easy on the cops which is what they do now in order to secure the police forces co-operation for their cases.

 

[Blanky]

Here's what America needs to do to reduce this problem: First, all fines, fees and seizures performed by the police needs to be fully refunded to the polity that the police polices every year. This will prevent harassing of the citizens in order to make money which happens now. Second, cops who have charges against them need to be prosecuted by a special prosecutor and not the da. This will prevent DA's from going easy on the cops which is what they do now in order to secure the police forces co-operation for their cases.

I agree there needs to be a unique and separate entity that does nothing but charge police with crimes, period.

 

[rudder]

Obviously the whole town of Ferguson are not idiots so it's dishonest to tar them all with that brush.

Try this instead-



It's not just about poor people, but about working & middle class people, too. As the agents of economic oppression, the Ferguson cops put the beat down on all of 'em.

No, people like you just listen to MSM and create problems. This is a manufactured crisis. There was never any "hand up, don't shoot." Yet we have NFL, NBA, congressman, etc doing the hands up dont shoot protest.

The mayor of Ferguson is white. He is in second term. Only 12% of the population turned out to vote for Mayor. The majority of residents are black (67.4% from the 2010 census). What does this tell you?

I am not saying the city does not have bad apples... but I don't think the racial strife existed on this scale until the MSM ran with the story of an innocent black kid being gunned down while he had his arms up trying to surrender.

 

[alzan]

No, people like you just listen to MSM and create problems. This is a manufactured crisis. There was never any "hand up, don't shoot." Yet we have NFL, NBA, congressman, etc doing the hands up dont shoot protest.

The mayor of Ferguson is white. He is in second term. Only 12% of the population turned out to vote for Mayor. The majority of residents are black (67.4% from the 2010 census). What does this tell you?

I am not saying the city does not have bad apples... but I don't think the racial strife existed on this scale until the MSM ran with the story of an innocent black kid being gunned down while he had his arms up trying to surrender.

St. Louis and St. Louis County are very racially polarized and have been for decades. Lots of the small townships that are mainly black populated exist due to various reasons: segregation, economics of both slavery in the past and being geographically chosen so that black residents were close to white majority middle and upper class neighborhoods, etc. where they worked.

Ferguson, et al that are black majority have mayors and council members that are overwhelmingly white. The problems and issues notated in the DOJ report on Ferguson can be seen in some of these other small townships.

The racial strife seen in Ferguson has been near the boiling point for a long time; the Brown/Wilson incident simply threw fuel on the hot embers.

 

[SlitheryDee]

IDK about the poster you quoted, but at this point I don't believe the police were the intended targets.

I'm hearing a .40 cal pistol, barrel is likely approx. 3"-5.5". I'm hearing a distance of 125-150 yards. I'm hearing 3 shots fired at maximum. Moving car? Moving target? Wind? IDK. But unless this guy is a world class professional trick shot artist with an expensive and highly accuratized custom pistol, excellent ammo and he had plenty of time for training to practice for the slope/drop from he shot to where the victims were - I say no damn way he could hit anything near what he was aiming at. I.e., he was shooting at someone else and hit the cops by accident.

Fern

There's no way I can be conclusive about this, but the situation itself causes me to lean toward the assumption that he intended to shoot the officers. He was not part of the protest group, but he was there to show solidarity with the people who were protesting. If there were sides, then he wasn't on the police's side, but was a part of the movement against the ferguson police. He fired a gun and hits not one, but two police officers. If anyone from his side of the issue shot anyone, I would expect it to be police officers. The motivation points in that direction. Whatever evidence there is points in that direction. The only thing that doesn't point in that direction is his statement, and does it really surprise anyone that he would say whatever he can to reduce the penalty for what he did?

I also heard he's from Arkansas. It wouldn't surprise me to find someone who likes shooting and is very good at it in Arkansas. The distances people got shot from since the beginning of the ferguson affair seem suspiciously convenient to me anyway. I heard 100+ yard distances being bandied about when that made Brown look like he was far enough away from Wilson to not be dangerous, yet the people who believed those numbers had no problem believing Wilson could make that shot. Now a similar number is being bandied about by many of the same people because it makes the shot look impossible. Which is it? My money is on neither shot being that far away.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, people like you just listen to MSM and create problems. This is a manufactured crisis. There was never any "hand up, don't shoot." Yet we have NFL, NBA, congressman, etc doing the hands up dont shoot protest.

The mayor of Ferguson is white. He is in second term. Only 12% of the population turned out to vote for Mayor. The majority of residents are black (67.4% from the 2010 census). What does this tell you?

I am not saying the city does not have bad apples... but I don't think the racial strife existed on this scale until the MSM ran with the story of an innocent black kid being gunned down while he had his arms up trying to surrender.

Please. Tensions between the cops as bullies & revenue producers & the community were obviously enormous before this incident. The shooting merely pushed it past the boiling point. Of course the "racial strife" wasn't obvious leading up to it. That's what oppression accomplishes under such circumstances, what it's always been designed to accomplish. There wasn't much visible strife in Selma, either.

 

[rudder]

Please. Tensions between the cops as bullies & revenue producers & the community were obviously enormous before this incident. The shooting merely pushed it past the boiling point. Of course the "racial strife" wasn't obvious leading up to it. That's what oppression accomplishes under such circumstances, what it's always been designed to accomplish. There wasn't much visible strife in Selma, either.

Can you really call it oppression if only 12% of voters decide who runs the city?

 

[Fern]

-snip-
I also heard he's from Arkansas. It wouldn't surprise me to find someone who likes shooting and is very good at it in Arkansas. The distances people got shot from since the beginning of the ferguson affair seem suspiciously convenient to me anyway. I heard 100+ yard distances being bandied about when that made Brown look like he was far enough away from Wilson to not be dangerous, yet the people who believed those numbers had no problem believing Wilson could make that shot. Now a similar number is being bandied about by many of the same people because it makes the shot look impossible. Which is it? My money is on neither shot being that far away.

I think you too easily dismiss the difficulty of the shot. The .40 cal is pretty standard for LEO. I've noticed they have trouble hitting something just in front of them, much less at that type of distance.

If it turns out that he's a trained marksman, with a custom pistol, special load bullets, upgraded site and the opportunity to adjust his site for that exact shot at that exact distance, I'll change my mind.

I thought the police reported the distance? If it turns out to be much shorter I'll also change my opinion.

Fern

 

[mizzou]

I think you too easily dismiss the difficulty of the shot. The .40 cal is pretty standard for LEO. I've noticed they have trouble hitting something just in front of them, much less at that type of distance.

If it turns out that he's a trained marksman, with a custom pistol, special load bullets, upgraded site and the opportunity to adjust his site for that exact shot at that exact distance, I'll change my mind.

I thought the police reported the distance? If it turns out to be much shorter I'll also change my opinion.

Fern

It's easy to hit something when there are hundreds of people to shoot at. It's unfortunate the shots hit two police officers, it would be unfortunate if the shots hit anyone period.

 

[Fern]

It's easy to hit something when there are hundreds of people to shoot at. It's unfortunate the shots hit two police officers, it would be unfortunate if the shots hit anyone period.

Yeah, good point. But IDK know what configuration the police were in at the time. If there were a big mob of them standing around it would be easy. If they were in a line with some distance between though that would be much more difficult.

I've also been curious if the police were standing still or moving. Likewise with the shooter who I understand was sitting in a car when shooting.

Fern

 

[mizzou]

Yeah, good point. But IDK know what configuration the police were in at the time. If there were a big mob of them standing around it would be easy. If they were in a line with some distance between though that would be much more difficult.

I've also been curious if the police were standing still or moving. Likewise with the shooter who I understand was sitting in a car when shooting.

Fern

Sometimes it's just dumb luck. You shoot a bullet, it's going to land somewhere. Unfortunately, people shoot so damn much, you never hear about the thousands of other bullets that don't hit people. Statistically, a couple shots are going to hit people.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Sometimes it's just dumb luck. You shoot a bullet, it's going to land somewhere. Unfortunately, people shoot so damn much, you never hear about the thousands of other bullets that don't hit people. Statistically, a couple shots are going to hit people.

Yup, this. If the bullet had instead struck a fence post, people wouldn't even blink an eye at the improbability of the shot.

 

[yottabit]

I'm hearing a .40 cal pistol, barrel is likely approx. 3"-5.5". I'm hearing a distance of 125-150 yards. I'm hearing 3 shots fired at maximum. Moving car? Moving target? Wind? IDK. But unless this guy is a world class professional trick shot artist with an expensive and highly accuratized custom pistol, excellent ammo and he had plenty of time for training to practice for the slope/drop from he shot to where the victims were....

I just want to chime in and say that I think everyone is over-reacting to this

125 yrds is not such a ridiculous range for a pistol (assuming a full size, high quality one) that you would need to be "world class" or have anything custom to hit human sized targets with 2 out of 3 shots. Especially if you factor in a little luck

If it was a good quality full size pistol then I would put the shooter into the category of a "good" to "very good" shooter.

There are plenty of war vets, ex LEO, hunters, casual target shooters etc that can hit a target at 100+ yards with a pistol reliably. So yes they have plenty of shooting experience but they aren't in a world class category

If you want to see something "world class" then you can watch Karl Lippard hit 8/10 @ 600 yards with an iron sight (custom) 1911 and factory ammo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV17c5A0gQA

You'll also find plenty of military stories of documented kills past a couple hundred yards with handguns. Yes they are outside the norm but this is all well beyond the range you guys are talking about

I'm a very casual shooter and I used to be able to hit 12 inch targets out to 100 yards with my 1911. Pretty easy if you're benched or have something to rest on, pretty hard if free standing.

So assuming he was in the car, was able to rest the gun on the door, and was using something like a full size Glock I think it's 100% believable even for a not super skilled shooter.

You have to remember the reason police can't hit their targets in a crisis is because of the adrenaline and other factors in the environment. Especially if there is concern of the other side shooting back that changes everything and unless your heavily trained and conditioned for it your accuracy is going to go out the window. Some guy sitting 125 yrds away in his car is not going to have those concerns

EDIT: Here's some dude pegging a soda bottle @ 100 yards with what I assume is a stock Glock 23 (.40 cal COMPACT) free standing. Again would be a lot easier from a rested position!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8hTmCGo44

 

[schmuckley]

You tar the whole community with the misdeeds of a few. Had protesters engaged in looting & burning en masse, Ferguson would be a smoldering ruin. It's not.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/ferguson-photos.html?_r=0 That's pretty bad.

especially when compared to this:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/tmt/317036.html

Approx. same amount of buildings set on fire..
Here's the thing though:St. Petersburg has 10x the population of Ferguson.
..and only 2-3 buildings burned down...

 

[Jhhnn]

As to the shooter's intent-

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-shoo...camera--search-warrant-reveals-211839664.html

 

[rudeguy]

As to the shooter's intent-

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-shoo...camera--search-warrant-reveals-211839664.html

I hate this. I still can't believe 125 yards with a .40. I just don't think its possible to get that (un)lucky.

I hate truthers. They piss me off. But I really think I'm going to be one on this unless some real evidence comes up.

 

[Jhhnn]

I hate this. I still can't believe 125 yards with a .40. I just don't think its possible to get that (un)lucky.

I hate truthers. They piss me off. But I really think I'm going to be one on this unless some real evidence comes up.

It's foolish to let what you want to believe get in the way of rational evaluation of the evidence. That's really what's wrong with Truthers.

There's no reason to believe that the perp would rat himself out with a lie. It's absurd.

 

[rudeguy]

It's foolish to let what you want to believe get in the way of rational evaluation of the evidence. That's really what's wrong with Truthers.

There's no reason to believe that the perp would rat himself out with a lie. It's absurd.

And I don't disagree with you. But the other part of my brain lays out the trajectory of those shots and I don't see how its possible. Hell I even did a street view on Google Maps to try to make it work in my mind and I still can't get it to process.