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NaughtyusMaximus

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For those Canadian readers out there, Onvia.com has the Belkin cable for $30 (Canadian) + tax. The model number (F3X029-06) is listed as being worth $66 (american) on Belkin's site, so I imagine this is a fairly good deal.

I hope this makes my 900NF look even better
 

odog

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you can have outpost overnight a 6 footer for $20 just put in SKU # 61196


i'd post a direct link but i don't know how to remove session id's
 

RupTheKid

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Any audiophile will rave about cable quality, so why not the videophile? After all, where did all this hype about DVD players and component video come from? BNC, of course. Excellent point Andrew

Rup
 

jpsj82

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i guess i should get a cable for my moniter thats better than the one that came with the computer.
 

AndrewR

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Snow Patrol: It looks like those are the same thing -- 5 connector to one D-sub (first for monitor, second for video card). The difference in cost looks to be the cable length, 2m vs. 3m (those silly metrics ).


<< Doesn't look like my viewsonic PF790 has BNC inputs. I feel cheated. >>


One of my criteria in selecting a monitor was that it have BNC inputs, and it specifically knocked out the Viewsonic from contention. At the time, it was more for the geek factor (I have BNC connectors -- do you?), but now I realize that I was wise before my time.

Look at this way: You now have a reason to upgrade!
 

pg22

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I'm gonna post a pic from the back of my Sony Trinitron monitor (21 inch) with my digy camera and post it here.

I wanna be 100% that this is what you guys are talking about (and that way others can confirm as well).
 

Goi

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I guess I must have crappy eyes or a crappy BNC cable. On my Voodoo3 3000 AGP and Nokia 21&quot; 445Xpro, I can hardly tell the difference between my Nokia provided BNC cables and the Nokia provided D-SUB cables. The D-SUB cables are thicker than the BNC cables though, so it could just be a cable quality problem.
 

pen^2

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i think it really depends on what kind of VGA/monitor combination you have. for instance, goin from BNC on my LG studioworks 78i/ET6000 to D-SUB resulted in a drastic image degredation. however, when i replaced the VGA with ATi Xpert128 and tried both cables, the difference was undetectable to my naked eyes.
 

BiggieN

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anyone know if there is the connection for the e400 trinitron? i don't have the monitor with me but i wanna know.
 

Eug

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<< Any audiophile will rave about cable quality, so why not the videophile? After all, where did all this hype about DVD players and component video come from? BNC, of course. Excellent point >>



It's a little bit different though. Audiophiles rave about cable quality in the same TYPE of cable. That would be like saying there's a huge improvement spending $200 on a VGA cable over a $20 VGA cable. I note that the few times blinded studies of cables have been done, the 20 cent a foot 14G hardware store audio cable does as well $100 a foot cable. (I see nothing wrong with spending a few bux per foot to get a shielded cable though, but $100/foot is just plain stupid.)

BNC and VGA are different designs (although I'll be honest and say I don't know how different).

Also, for S-video there is a noticeable improvement over component video. However, the improvement of component video over S-video, at least on a smaller non-progressive system, is very hard to discern. Even on my friend's progressive scan setup, the difference between S-video and component isn't obvious. They both look damn good.
 

AndrewR

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Eug: Good point. The difference is only going to be noticeable when the hardware is capable of showing a difference. If you're running a Virge chip with a D-sub, don't expect a miraculous picture if you switch to BNC -- the video card really just isn't capable of more. With my Radeon, I am not surprised that it could output a better picture than what I was seeing since ATI has always had a great reputation for image quality (Matrox as well). Now, being a GeForce graduate, I'd guess that the original GeForce would not show as dramatic of an improvement with the BNC cable simply because it's 2D quality was not up to par with the Radeon (I saw a noticeable improvement on my desktop at 1280x1024 when I switched cards).

It comes down to this: If you have a high end video card with excellent picture quality and a high end monitor, why not drop the cash on a BNC cable that may very well improve the picture quality that you stare at all the time (if you have a high end card and monitor, you obviously have some resources anyway). It seems not everyone is going to see the kind of improvement I did, but you might if you have the hardware to do it.
 

Eug

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Yeah, I may do it anyway, but I'm not expecting a huge change. My friend who used to work with humungous monitors under Unix (doing work in video compression) say there sometimes was a change, but it wasn't usually a big one.

I have a Voodoo 3 2000 and Samsung 950p, at 1280x960. It's already huge improvement over my previous setup with an older 15 monitor (but with a reasonable ATI Rage Pro). In fact, it's better than some of the higher-end Unix boxes I've seen at another friend's work (BNC or not). I just wish I could somehow improve my display at work. I think it's an ATI Rage Pro, but with some crappy Compaq 17&quot; monitor. Video quality truly sucks at 1024x768.

P.S. Guys. I don't use 1280x1024 because the screen ratio is 5:4, not the &quot;proper&quot; 4:3. For that reason, all pictures are distorted. Ie. on a 1280x1024 screen, people are shorter and fatter than they should be. How many of you use 1280x1024?
 

Vikaden

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I use 1280/1024 on a Samsung 950p with a ASUS V6800 pure and I plan on getting some BNC cables very soon.
 

tom3

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I tried both the BNC cable and the regular 9-pin cable on my brother's Viewsonic PS790 on a V3 2k, and couldn't tell any difference.

Could it be
a) the video card is not good enough,
b) the monitor is not good enough,
c) the BNC cable is not good enough,
or d) my eyes are not good enough??

=)
 

WiseOne

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i have voodoo3 3000 and 950P and i'm running at 1280 x 1024.. i think i'll get the BNC from outpost (next day kicks ass!)

Eug: i never tried 1280 x 960 before.. maybe when i get home i'll remember to see the diff.
 

AndrewR

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The reason I'm running 1280x1024 instead of 1280x960 is that the Radeon does not give me the option of 960. My GeForce did, but I'm already used to the new resolution (went back to 1026x768 the other day, and it looked REALLY weird).
 

pg22

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hmm...I have a 21 incher and I've been using 1280x1024 for a long while now....
 

Eug

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Well, in truth, 1280x1024 is slightly nicer than 1280x960. I guess those 64 extra horizontal lines really do help, even though it's only a 7% change in resolution.

I was using 1280x1024 up until recently but now that I'm playing with Photoshop a lot (because I bought a digital camera), the distortion caused by 1280x1024 is definitely noticeable, and irritating. For web browsing it's irrelevant of course.

I'd prefer to use 1600x1200, and my setup looks pretty good that way, but unfortunately, the way Windows and most software are set up, you can't properly adjust the fonts. Everything really starts either looking too small, or else if you adjust the font size, nothing fits properly. Stupid. (I guess they figure everyone in the world uses 800x600. :|)
 

nuttervm

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hmm, based upon what people have been saying i dont think a BNC would make my samsung950p/ATI rage combo look much better.

anyone running a BNC cable and a KVM switch? i wonder if the extra length of the kvm switch would degrade the BNC's quality. (i run 3 machines off the same keyboard, monitor and mouse, only one of which MIGHT benefit form a purchase like this)
 
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