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GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Stupid idea, it just makes you look like a tightwad and if they pool tips you didn't hurt the idiot at all. If you have a problem with an employee talk to the manager.
 

ja1484

Platinum Member
Dec 31, 2007
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Tip = performance based pay. I've tipped as high as 100% (only done it twice in my life, and they earned it), and as low as 0%. All depends on the performance.
 

Injury

Lifer
Jul 19, 2004
13,066
2
81
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Stupid idea, it just makes you look like a tightwad and if they pool tips you didn't hurt the idiot at all. If you have a problem with an employee talk to the manager.

Or just leave a lousy tip and never come back?
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
21,562
3
0
I generally leave about 20-23% (round to the nearest dollar). Especially for delivery guys from a couple of places around here. Given that I've become fairly regular with the delivery orders, I've noticed a definite decrease in the time it takes to make it to my dorm.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
25,284
1,996
126
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Stupid idea, it just makes you look like a tightwad and if they pool tips you didn't hurt the idiot at all. If you have a problem with an employee talk to the manager.

Or just leave a lousy tip and never come back?

Why? Then the restaurant and server have no idea if you left no tip as protest for bad service or if you're just a deadbeat like looker001. If the server is bad enough to deserve no tip and bad enough to make you never go back grow a pair and talk to the manager about it.
 

DrawninwarD

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Jul 5, 2008
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Originally posted by: Dear Summer
tipping is such bullshit

tip for my haircut, tip to cut my dogs haircut, tip the valet to eat at their restaurant, tip the server, tip the cab driver like they did anything special

:thumbsup:
 

Quiksilver

Diamond Member
Jul 3, 2005
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

As someone who works at a restaurant, if the waitresses start bitching about xxx table and how they only gave them a xxx tip, they just think your an asshole and it never crosses their minds that the tip is a representation of the poor service the customers got.

Your would have to leave a note for them to notice otherwise. Then again, they'd still think your an asshole.
 

Jadow

Diamond Member
Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: Jadow
So my friend and I went out for Sushi last night, just a little but, the waiter never once came back asking if we wanted refills on our drink, then after putting our coats on when we were done, we sat waiting for the check for about 15 minutes. The place was not busy there were only 3 tables with customers.

Hence, our check came to $13.80 and we left $14

Would you also do this or are you an automatic tipper no matter what?

How many rolls did you order? $13.80 sounds like you got one real roll and one california roll.

Between 2 people, that's not a lot of food.

1 order of spicy tuna roll ( like 6 rolls) and another order of some other kind (another 6 rolls)

So we had 12 rolls, 1 pop, and 1 water. This wasn't dinner more like a stop before dinner.
 

SirStev0

Lifer
Nov 13, 2003
10,449
6
81
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.

The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.

If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.

I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".

With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
 

looker001

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Jun 25, 2007
603
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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: looker001
I would have left zero, but I usually do not tip either way.

Prepare to get spit in your food if you go back.

I rarely eat at the same place within such a close period that they could recognize me.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,549
10,171
126
I tipped the guy at the local hardware store once, because they went way out of their way to help me.

I had a problem with water in my headlights, so I concocted this idea of making a sort of syringe to suck the water out. I bought two turkey cooking syringes at walmart, and then took the needle part off (it had a screw thread), and bought some plastic tubing of the appropriate size at the hardware store. After showing the guy what I was trying to do, he cut the tubing for me, and even attached it to my syringes.

So I gave him a semi-generous tip for his time. Plus, I know that local hardware stores are probably hurting for business, so that affected my thinking as well.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Well to me, having worked in a restaurant (busser), I'd argue that a tip IS mandatory, but never a specific percentage. I'll give them something, and knowing that their wage is almost always under the state minimum by quite a large amount, that's why I kind of say its mandatory.
The bonus aspect comes in to play when actually determining how much.
I basically do it like this: if they were absolutely terrible, and my bill was $15, I'll probably give them $1 or $1.5 (1.50 being 10%).
If they were pretty good, and depending on business, I'll start at about $2.50 tip for that same bill (around 15%). Now, if they were busy and also very good, I'm going to give them a minimum of 20%, maybe even 25 or 30% if it was very busy and yet were able to treat us like we were there only table, so that'd be like somewhere between $3.50 and 4.50. The actual amount will vary because I like to make the final amount an even number, so in that case if the final bill was exactly $15 and they were awesome, I'd give them $19, a tip of $4.

In the OPs situation, I'd probably give them a $1.20 tip. They'll fully understand it was intentional, it's still low, but it's not being a complete ass by basically giving them nothing. I basically feel that I don't ever want to give someone much less than 10%. Maybe it's because I've never had a completely terrible server. But knowing that the place I worked at, the bussers also were paid under state minimum and got earnings from a required percentage of tips from the servers, that by being an ass with the tip to the server, you might be effecting more than one person who didn't necessarily deserve it. Now at lunch, we didn't have bussers at our restaurant, so the servers kept all the tips and did everything.

I'm kind of a restaurant apologist if you will. Knowing how they operate and what goes on in those places, I'm kind of understanding. Now during a very slow day and a server is still completely aloof, well... hard to sympathize but I still try and tip something.

Hell, I might even have done the same, a $0.20 tip, but that'd be a first in my life and would be difficult to actually do that.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.

The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.

If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.

I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".

With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.

You need to take a chill pill. Tipping is BS. Why tip some people and not others that do the same type or even harder work than others??? Tipping is out of hand in this country.

A waitress does a bottom of the barrel job. They bring people food. Do you tip the mexicans that cut your grass??? They're doing a much harder job than a waitress does. Do they not also provide a service?
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
10,913
3
0
I've worked in the service industry for years. As a tippee and not.

Tipping is bullshit. Waiters are overpaid, in my state they get $8.50/hour and that is enough for the mindless job it is. I've worked back of house and front of house and the disparity is ridiculous between pay, just because the front of house jackasses get tips. What about the line cook making minimum wage, I think he is a little bit more important seeing as how he is cooking the goddamn meal.

Fuck service people who think they are entitled.. no you do not deserve 30% unless you give me a blowjob before, during, and after my meal.

Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.
 

Evadman

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Feb 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

:thumbsup:
 

looker001

Banned
Jun 25, 2007
603
0
0
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.

The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.

If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.

I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".

With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.
 

EMPshockwave82

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2003
3,012
2
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Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.

The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.

If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.

I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".

With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.

If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
 

looker001

Banned
Jun 25, 2007
603
0
0
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.

In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.

Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.

naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.

to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.

Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.

The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.

If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.

I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".

With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.

If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.

It's simple matter of supply/demand question. If company can't find enough people to work, they will raise amount they pay.
 

EMPshockwave82

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2003
3,012
2
0
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.

It's simple matter of supply/demand question. If company can't find enough people to work, they will raise amount they pay.

Maybe it's best you continue to eat at McDonalds
 

looker001

Banned
Jun 25, 2007
603
0
0
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.

It's simple matter of supply/demand question. If company can't find enough people to work, they will raise amount they pay.

Maybe it's best you continue to eat at McDonalds

Haven't eaten at McDonalds in over 10 years
 
Nov 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: Farang
I've worked in the service industry for years. As a tippee and not.

Tipping is bullshit. Waiters are overpaid, in my state they get $8.50/hour and that is enough for the mindless job it is. I've worked back of house and front of house and the disparity is ridiculous between pay, just because the front of house jackasses get tips. What about the line cook making minimum wage, I think he is a little bit more important seeing as how he is cooking the goddamn meal.

Fuck service people who think they are entitled.. no you do not deserve 30% unless you give me a blowjob before, during, and after my meal.

Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.

sounds like you're bitter you got poor tips as a shitty server. If you think waiting tables is a mindless job, you obviously weren't even trying to be a good server.
 
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