We usually leave 15% always regardles of if the waiter looked good (if it was a girl) or if the service was more tahne xcellent. If the service was shit or took too long we leave like 1% :thumbsup: or a few bux, nowhere near 15% still.
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Farang
I've worked in the service industry for years. As a tippee and not.
Tipping is bullshit. Waiters are overpaid, in my state they get $8.50/hour and that is enough for the mindless job it is. I've worked back of house and front of house and the disparity is ridiculous between pay, just because the front of house jackasses get tips. What about the line cook making minimum wage, I think he is a little bit more important seeing as how he is cooking the goddamn meal.
Fuck service people who think they are entitled.. no you do not deserve 30% unless you give me a blowjob before, during, and after my meal.
Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.
sounds like you're bitter you got poor tips as a shitty server. If you think waiting tables is a mindless job, you obviously weren't even trying to be a good server.
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.
In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.
Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.
naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.
to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.
Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.
The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.
If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.
I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".
With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
It's simple matter of supply/demand question. If company can't find enough people to work, they will raise amount they pay.
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Farang
I've worked in the service industry for years. As a tippee and not.
Tipping is bullshit. Waiters are overpaid, in my state they get $8.50/hour and that is enough for the mindless job it is. I've worked back of house and front of house and the disparity is ridiculous between pay, just because the front of house jackasses get tips. What about the line cook making minimum wage, I think he is a little bit more important seeing as how he is cooking the goddamn meal.
Fuck service people who think they are entitled.. no you do not deserve 30% unless you give me a blowjob before, during, and after my meal.
Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.
sounds like you're bitter you got poor tips as a shitty server. If you think waiting tables is a mindless job, you obviously weren't even trying to be a good server.
sounds like you're bitter about something, seeing as how there is nothing I said which could otherwise cause you to draw that conclusion. I cleaned up, doesn't mean I can't recognize the system sucks and the cooks got the raw end of the deal (and I would too when I worked back of house). It is mindless, wtf did you go to waiter grad school? The goddamn applebee's school of aprons?
Originally posted by: Farang
For the sake of argument remember not all minimum wage laws are the same in regards to waiters. In my state and many others, they must be paid a wage higher than federal (in my state $8.50)
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Farang
For the sake of argument remember not all minimum wage laws are the same in regards to waiters. In my state and many others, they must be paid a wage higher than federal (in my state $8.50)
The majority of the states are not like that. Its mostly the blue states that have adopted that.
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Farang
For the sake of argument remember not all minimum wage laws are the same in regards to waiters. In my state and many others, they must be paid a wage higher than federal (in my state $8.50)
The majority of the states are not like that. Its mostly the blue states that have adopted that.
Ok then argue for tipping in those states, in my state waiters are overpaid
Originally posted by: destrekor
Well to me, having worked in a restaurant (busser), I'd argue that a tip IS mandatory, but never a specific percentage. I'll give them something, and knowing that their wage is almost always under the state minimum by quite a large amount, that's why I kind of say its mandatory.
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
It's simple matter of supply/demand question. If company can't find enough people to work, they will raise amount they pay.
Maybe it's best you continue to eat at McDonalds
Haven't eaten at McDonalds in over 10 years
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Farang
For the sake of argument remember not all minimum wage laws are the same in regards to waiters. In my state and many others, they must be paid a wage higher than federal (in my state $8.50)
The majority of the states are not like that. Its mostly the blue states that have adopted that.
Ok then argue for tipping in those states, in my state waiters are overpaid
In states like that it would be acceptable to not tip. Atleast to me. There would be an exception though. And that would be fine(ie: high end) dining, where you'll get laughed out of place for not tipping. Where by not tipping yuo wont be going back, not by your choice, but by thiers.
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: looker001
I would have left zero, but I usually do not tip either way.
Prepare to get spit in your food if you go back.
Originally posted by: Farang
Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: destrekor
Well to me, having worked in a restaurant (busser), I'd argue that a tip IS mandatory, but never a specific percentage. I'll give them something, and knowing that their wage is almost always under the state minimum by quite a large amount, that's why I kind of say its mandatory.
If a waiter makes $2.13/hr and doesn't get enough tip, the managers are supposed to make up the difference to minimum wage.
That is federal law.
Waiters in California make $9/hr which is the minimum wage there. Will you still tip them if you receive crap service?
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Farang
Delivery drivers are an exception because you're given some leeway on tipping them while also being responsible to cover their gas/maintenence in most cases (the restuarant pays half, at best, of those, sometimes nothing at all). $2 standard.
If they charge a delivery fee like most of the major pizza outlets already do, they won't see any extra money coming out from my pocket.
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.
In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.
Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.
naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.
to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.
Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.
The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.
If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.
I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".
With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.
In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.
Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.
naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.
to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.
Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.
The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.
If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.
I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".
With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
It's a free market.
The waiters are free to find another line of work.
Why should waiters be entitled to a tip when the person who helps me bag my groceries and put them in my cart at Wal-Mart did not receive one?
Rubbish.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: destrekor
Well to me, having worked in a restaurant (busser), I'd argue that a tip IS mandatory, but never a specific percentage. I'll give them something, and knowing that their wage is almost always under the state minimum by quite a large amount, that's why I kind of say its mandatory.
If a waiter makes $2.13/hr and doesn't get enough tip, the managers are supposed to make up the difference to minimum wage.
That is federal law.
Waiters in California make $9/hr which is the minimum wage there. Will you still tip them if you receive crap service?
Ive worked food service. The majority of customers are huge jackasses and $10/hr isnt worth working in it.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: looker001
I already paid for my food, i am not about to pay for the second time. Don't like it, find another job.Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: vshah
i don't leave tips for shitty service, if it could be helped. if the place is packed then i could understand waiting a bit.
In the OP's case I would always leave a tip even if it's only $.20
I don't want them thinking I forgot.
Exactly. $0.20 is *worse* than $0.00. I make them to know it was a conscious decision. Of course, I always leave a note if there is any chance they don't know *why* they suck; but usually, they know.
naa most don't know. they just get pissed that the OP did nto give them the 30% that they are DUE.
to many think a tip is mandatory and not a bonus.
Bullshit. As a former delivery driver I can assure you we know that when we are very backed up or the order is a mess or some other situation, that our tip is going to suffer. It is part of the motivation to get the order out hot and timely.
The problem we encounter is ass hats like you that get high and mighty about the system. Believe me, we know you, we remember you, and we tell our coworkers about you. If we get stiffed and we deserve it we know it. If we get stiffed because your a cheap uppity prick we know it too.
If you are so pathetic that 10 to 20% of a bill is too much for your fragile budget then maybe you should reconsider order/eating out.
I heard this "Expected Tip" bullshit arguement before and I know the type. The next thing out of their mouths is "that's why I don't tip at all, damn the system".
With that said, OP I think you gave a pretty clear message. A server probably won't even put in that tip because it is too much effort and not worth it. You could have said something too to let them know that is exactly what was going to happen, but most people would have realized what was up.
If the servers got a decent wage to being with then your point is valid. 3.30 per hour is not a decent wage. Until that is changed, if you go out to eat expect to tip.
It's a free market.
The waiters are free to find another line of work.
Why should waiters be entitled to a tip when the person who helps me bag my groceries and put them in my cart at Wal-Mart did not receive one?
Rubbish.
Because if Wal Mart finds out they took the tip. They get fired.
Originally posted by: randay
15 minutes? thats not very long at all. did you try asking for the check?
Originally posted by: ja1484
Tip = performance based pay. I've tipped as high as 100% (only done it twice in my life, and they earned it), and as low as 0%. All depends on the performance.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: ja1484
Tip = performance based pay. I've tipped as high as 100% (only done it twice in my life, and they earned it), and as low as 0%. All depends on the performance.
Actually tip was never supposed to be based on performance. A 15% tip is customary for service rendered.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: ja1484
Tip = performance based pay. I've tipped as high as 100% (only done it twice in my life, and they earned it), and as low as 0%. All depends on the performance.
Actually tip was never supposed to be based on performance. A 15% tip is customary for service rendered.