2002 Honda Civic 2 or 4 door LX 13,999 and you can get 4.9%

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kindest

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Hondas are nice for a cheap car, but for a nice car German all the way baby!
Parts for Hondas are dirt cheap too, can't go wrong there.
 

MyBuds

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Debates similar to this one have occured on Anandtech many times, but I do not remember seeing a thread like this for months. What it comes down to is people have different tastes. American cars have had a history of less reliablity, although they have gotten much better. They also traditionaly have a more sturdy "feel." But of course this varies by model, year, etc. But to say Honda beats GM is oversimplifying.

Personally I drive a Subaru. I asked for a WRX, but I got a Legacy. Oh well. Prior to this car, I had only driven American cars, all cars with different generations of the GM 3800 and 3100 engines(two engines found in about 15 different GM cars.) So I have had expeirnce with both American and Japanese. And I think that neither is ulitmately better than the other. For instance, last time I was at a stoplight in my parents OLDSMOBILE, I beat out a Civic si with intake and exhuast to 70mph. Now I am not trying to say this si is a bad car, in fact, I think quite the contrary, its a nice car with decent power for the money. Point being, honda's dont automaticly beat GMs. They are good to tune, relatively cheap and reliable, but whens the last time Japan came out with a car like the viper, corvette, cobra. Some people like american car's attributes, some like Japans. thats it

So forget american and japanese...it's all about Europeans!!! BMWs Mercedes, MGs, and exotics are nice, but expensive of course. But now you can enter the european performance market w/o dropping a ton of cash. 1.8t engine (180hp) is prime example. 17 grand plus 200 on a chip nets you car with 200+hp that go 6 flat. you also get the european feel for the road, and stiff body that true driving enthusiants can appreciate.
 

Typiko512

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hahahah Funny... "only fobs drive intecs and cvcs". I think they should just make those civics and intecs into taxi cabs lol.
 

Okimoto

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Half of that? How about I'll match your Honda with a Chevy?
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Uh... Hate to burst your bubble... but the honda was used in a real-life situation whereas the chevrolet truck was kept in ideal controlled conditions by a specialized lab for engine durability purposes. Basically, it was kept on life support to obtain that mileage.


The V-8's that honda gets are from Isuzu. Although Isuzu is an affiliate of GM, they still make their own engines for vehicles such as the NPR. A friend of mine has a 91 isuzu truck with around 250 thousand miles on it. It was an abused pizza delivery truck. I drive two cars. A cadillac and a honda. The cadillac... an 86.. is solid as a rock. low mileage... high oil consumption. lots of little problems here and there. But it still runs... and i cant imagine it ever breaking down. GM did a good job keeping the guts in there. My brother's car is a 91 SL2 with over 225 thousand miles on it... squeaks and rattles all around, consumes about a quart of oil every 600 miles... but it was an early model... the newer ones are more reliable. The other car I drive is a honda. It has about 225,000 miles on there. No problems so far. never left me stranded. I've seen friends who have hondas with 200 and even one with over 300 thousand miles. and this seems to be more and more like the norms for a honda. I know that many american vehicles will outlast a honda, including peterbilt, kenworth and others.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that each auto maker has their cream of the crop when it comes to reliability... but it seems as if there are more hondas than there are domestic models.
As for the warranties... Hyundai offers a 10/100k mile warranty... would you choose a hyundai over a honda based on that warranty?
 

Nefrodite

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I beat out a Civic si with intake and exhuast to 70mph.

huh? first of all si's are lame, nerfed type R's basically. that and how are you sure he was driving it to the limit

. Really, go and see the Corolla and you wont even look at Civic again, (not for atleast another 2 years, untill they come up with a new Civic).

civics been out for a year or two, its got about 3 years left b4 new model honda screwed up with their boring ass design
 

Nefrodite

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since they got rid of their suspension advantage(double wishbone) for the current civic, so very little reason to buy it
 

tantos

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what happened to the MR KNOW IT ALL who said Honda bought V8's from GM???
Man..calling other people ignorant yet you are one heck of an ignoramous yourself!
 

TekDemon

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lol funny thing...my parents INSISTED on getting the Toyota Camry 2002LE...
But they paid like $300 over invoice!!! then my mother tells me the dealer said he'd throw in floor mats(supposedly valued at $125-well ok the list actually *is* 125 for those pieces of crap).

I was not happy with that lol...yelled at my parents about it, since I had told them to just buy it back in December(they bought it in Feb) when they could have pushed BELOW invoice. GRR!!! The dealer had already said invoice in December, but noooo...my parents just HAD to wait another 2 months to get ripped off for $300 more.

*sigH*

Anyway, I'm in the market for a new car...and I'm shocked that 1992 Civic got $4500 !

Too bad I'm so friggin poor all I can spend is 7Kish...

Must say though...looked at some Veilside body kits and now I really want one lol...
 

brtspears2

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i think you got something wrong... honda is famous for building engines... all get 80hp/liter MINIMUM...
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Superfly, I feel ripped off, 1998 Honda Civic LX, 1.6L/106HP
If I do the math, thats about 66hp/liter only...

The EX version, 76-77hp/liter

Though, in 2001 models with the 1.7L engine, slightly lower hp/liter, but more torque, much better...
 

LED

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<< This is a real hot deal. But I am not in CA. Any one know similar deals in OH, IN, IL, KY, WV, and TN? >>



I live 5 miles from Honda America and I can get new and used ones from a friend
Ex: 2000 Honda Civic LX's with appx 25K on them. These are 1 owner cars and carry a 36K 3yr warranty on them...all have AC, Pwr doors and locks. Price is $11K neg... which is about $1500 below trade in or bluebook price...No deliverys
 

HKS

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<< But why do Hondas only have a 3/36 warranty??????? Isn't that the same a GM's warranty? Hondas have a better reliability record.
So what gives? Sounds like they'll give the customer as little as they can get away with. If you read lots of car forums, you'll find more people talking about buying an extended warranty on Hondas than on any other brand. Hmmmmmm.
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Longer warranties are just marketing tools for inferior cars. Hyundai has a bad rep for quality, so it offers a 10 year warranty. Audi had a disaster with the sudden acceleration thing, so to bring customers back it offered a longer warranty. JD Power and Consumer Report rate Honda higher in quality than almost all GM products. In fact, aside from the Corvette, GM doesn't have a single car in the JD Power survey of initial quality. Extended Warranty on a Honda is an oxymoron. Its 100% profit for the dealers who sell this so called extended warranty.

JD Power Initial Quality Survey 2001
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This thread is very funny. Let me guess this straight... you think that honda only puts 3/36 because they feel that their cars only "need" 3/36? And that anymore than that would be superfluous, because the cars won't break down AFTER 3/36? Hahaha... you're the perfect customer. I'm sure Honda execs love customers like you. Um, have you ever rolled by a Honda dealership? See those hydraulic jacks with the cars on them? Those aren't Fords or GM's in there... they're Hondas! If Honda didn't have any break downs (this is a tough one... try to pay attention here) the dealerships wouldn't need to have garages! Hahaha...

Please continue this humorous thread! I love it!
 

hatexdv

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It looks I should first see 2003 Collora. But the price is a little bit beyond my budget. Will Civic lower price soon?
 

Vette73

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Heres a old story for ya...

"The latest info seems to indicate that Honda will most likely supply GM with its 3.0L (U.S. built) V-6 engines, and perhaps even other variants of that motor (such as the 3.5 or upcoming 3.8L units found in Odysseys and the upcoming sport ute?). The latest (and most interesting) twist is that GM will, in turn, supply Honda with its excellent VorTEC (my caps to highlight the irony 8^) V8s so Honda can stuff them into their much rumoured pick-ups. It is said that the upcoming 4.0 V8 that will be found in the RL replacement won't have enough torque to properly compete with Toyota's 4.7L 4 cammer found in the Tundra pick-up, so the VorTEC V8s, with their massive reserves of torque would be a perfect choice.

Apparently GM's not too worried about losing much market share to Honda, especially since Honda's pick-up will be slightly smaller than the Big 3's full size trucks. To sweeten things for Honda, I think that the pushrod VorTECs probably cost GM quite a bit less to produce than Honda's upcoming V8, and I'm certain they'll be far more plentiful and even more suitable for truck duty than the OHC V-8. "


But as of right now the only V8's Honda is getting from GM are Diesel's for foreign use (ie not going to see in USA)

But what do I know, compared to all the Mr Know it all's here.
 

MyBuds

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Nefrodite- I know he was driving to the limit because at the stoplight I kindly asked him to show me what kind of speed his car has, as I was considering purchasing one. At that time, I actually was thinking of buying an SI. This is when he told me his car had intake and exhuast. On top of that, I knew he had pushed it because I saw the embarrasment on his face at the next light.

What is true is that the best Japanese cars are not for sale here. Skyline, Evo7, sti, Supra, rx7. True you can import them(Motorex, Evo Imports, etc) but at more than twice the cost and most the time you are stuck with RHD.

In japan, it is possible to obtain a 280+hp awd Lancer NEW for about $21,000. Im jealous.
 

wasssup

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<< Point being, honda's dont automaticly beat GMs. They are good to tune, relatively cheap and reliable, but whens the last time Japan came out with a car like the viper, corvette, cobra. Some people like american car's attributes, some like Japans. >>



Well, in japan (if i'm not mistaken) they think handling (for drifting, etc) is more important than raw straight-line power (for dragging, which is apparently america's choice). Tuning a civic or whatever just for dragging is kinda dumb (that's my opinion at least, yours may be different).

 

Hoinch

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""Homer also says: Only FOB's drive honda's/acura's!!"

Hey JR., better watch your mouth. It's ok to put in your 2cents, but without the derogatory remarks. Personaly, I have a 94 Honda Civic (Ferio) EX, 00 Civic SI and I'm not a "FOB". There's alot of aftermarket parts for Hondas and most JDM imports to make it a great project car, no matter how small or big. The next time when you're in a magazine section, skim through "Import Tuner" or something similar and you'll notice that the owners of the cars are not "FOB"s. Open up your mind and quit being a stereo type. Fixing up cars is a hobby, just like fixing up PCs "overclocking - stage header" "cooling system - ram air intake" "better MB - ecu" "better case - body parts" "case mods - body kits" "power supply - electrical system" and so on...... And kudos to all Honda owers and enthusiasts.
 

DAICA

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Hondas are the greatest. What more can you ask for? They are cheap, realiable, gives great mileage, holds value, stylish.....uhm what else did i miss? LOL
 

Jzero

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<< This thread is very funny. Let me guess this straight... you think that honda only puts 3/36 because they feel that their cars only "need" 3/36? And that anymore than that would be superfluous, because the cars won't break down AFTER 3/36? Hahaha... you're the perfect customer. I'm sure Honda execs love customers like you. Um, have you ever rolled by a Honda dealership? See those hydraulic jacks with the cars on them? Those aren't Fords or GM's in there... they're Hondas! If Honda didn't have any break downs (this is a tough one... try to pay attention here) the dealerships wouldn't need to have garages! Hahaha...

Please continue this humorous thread! I love it!
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No, this thread is stupid. Go to ANY car dealer and look what's on the jacks being fixed. Cars of that same manufacturer! GOOD GOD!
Cars are MACHINES and they BREAK. It don't matter who made them.
Although Mr. Car Guy who didn't read that the Civic got the highest safety rating from NHTSA is a little off-beat. People have car-religions. It's whack. Just get what you like. If it's gonna break, it's gonna break. I've seen Hyundais go 150k without anything outside of normal maintenance and I've seen Hondas have major problems after 50k.
 

Tacoma99

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Here in my area one of the Chevrolet dealers advertises the 2002 4Dr. Prizm with 5 spd., air, cd, for $9997 after all rebates. This car is rated very reliable by Consumer Reports and is very desirable. The car has a MSRP of $15,000. The lower price reflects several rebates which most people can't even qualify for, like $400 recent college grad., $500 first time Chevrolet buyer, etc. Anyhow, the prices are designed to get you in the showroom, then sell you something more expensive.
 

RossMAN

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<< Here in my area one of the Chevrolet dealers advertises the 2002 4Dr. Prizm with 5 spd., air, cd, for $9997 after all rebates. This car is rated very reliable by Consumer Reports and is very desirable. The car has a MSRP of $15,000. The lower price reflects several rebates which most people can't even qualify for, like $400 recent college grad., $500 first time Chevrolet buyer, etc. Anyhow, the prices are designed to get you in the showroom, then sell you something more expensive. >>



Chevrolet Prizm's are really nice assuming they're still built in California alongside Toyota Corolla's making them essentially twin sisters?
 

vinnyracer

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I used to have a 00 Corolla VE and put about 60k on it and it never gave me any problem. It was a great reliable car, but it wasn?t for speed. Sold it to my brother and was in the market for a new civic. Instead I got a 96 Civic DX with 55k for $4,500. I got a hot deal!

To me, I rather get a Honda Civic, you can get more of a resale value for it.
 

RossMAN

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vinnyracer - That's a very hot deal, how'd you score that?

Honda's are class leaders when it comes to resale value, I don't think you can touch anything newer than a '94 with $4,500
 

djlevyii

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My one-owner 62 Chevy Impala SS Convertible had 360,000 miles on it and I just sold it on SlezBay for $12,200, which is about 4 times what I paid for it in August of '61.

Wonder what those great Hondas and other rice burners and modern day pieces of junk they call American cars will be worth 40 years from now

P.S. IMHO the last Corvette worth buying was the 67 427ci/435HP roadster.

Others say that it ain't a real Corvette if it don't have a trunk
 
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