well I did read this so?
btw new sentra debuts later this year with the spec coming 5 months later. As far as price I can say that nissan will be cheaper than the si, so another reason to look at it.
Originally posted by: Skold
Lots of great advice...thanks.
The RSX is actually being terminated by Acura this year due to the Civic Si being basically superior except for a few luxury features and is a couple thousand less MSRP. Also, my mom just bought a brand new RSX-S so that's out
I had a WRX and it was very nice performance wise...I just wasn't too impressed with the looks and they are quite expensive to maintain. I ditched it after I wrecked it trying to be a rally stud on the snow covered mountains in Colorado (I live in Houston where we don't see snow).
I'm not buying for probably just under or over a year so Civic Si availability shouldn't be a problem.
My wife refuses to get a used car so a used G35, GTO, etc is out. She totally wants an Eclipse and I like their looks but yeah, I heard they are boats on wheels. I have the final say anyway. I may test drive it to give it a fair shake.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Mazdaspeed3. It may be a candidate by the time we're buying. The Mazda3 is still a strong possiblilty. The Scion is too...
Any other ideas?
I agree there, I've heard the Sentra motors are very torquey for an I-4. If they can make 200HP with lots of torque out of an I-4 using premium at a reasonable mileage, I'll look twiceOriginally posted by: Tyrant222
I just wanted to throw in another car to the mix. what I meant by revamped is it will be a beefier more power QR25. I have heard the newly designed engine will output ~200hp. ie to compete with the likes of the SI.
I also like these cars because like I mentioned they have very good torque compared to the high-rev cars like the SI.
Or at least split off from the Honda fanboy war that's taken over...Originally posted by: OS
maybe the discussion should stick to cars that actually exist for now
If you click on each car's link at the bottom of the article, it shows how they placed.Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Slickone
Yet C&D gave 1st place to the GTI in their GTI vs Si test. Go figure.Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Chunkee
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Chunkee
only 139ftlbs of torque?
jC
Hey, didn't you get the memo, that's powerful!
Out of 197 hp...dunno
what are the 0-60 times on this hyped car..
bunch o honda fan boys on here
guess never thought they were that great...styling is always lackluster...drab...
jC
Read one of the articles any of the major magazines have done on the new Si. Motortrend just did an Si versu GTi comparisson and the Honda spanked the VW. Downright gutted it on the track in every single handingle characteristic, despite having a huge torque disadvantage.
I think its more YOUR bias that has prevented you from even taking notice, the new Si is beyond anything in its price range - and has proven its capable of taking things well out of its price range too (on the track that is). 0-60 times are mid 6's, but quite irrelevant considering it can handle about as well as a Vette even though its FWD. Its a fun car to drive regardless of who you are, don't judge it until you've read something about it or actually driven it
Wiki says the 06 Civic Si avg's .90G lateral accel. How is that near a Vette?
Read the headlines.
Grace and handling finish second to a fast and practical box.
EDIT: BTW I don't see where they picked a winner there. By that title I would think they picked the Honda as number one. It also says, further down
"For the first time in anyone?s memory, we have a tie in the ?gotta have it? column. Usually, we have an instinctive idea of which car is going to emerge the winner in a comparison test before we tally the scores. Not in this comparo. We had to wait for the ballots to be counted before we knew which corner could celebrate"
Where is that you see the GTI win?
And if not, then sorry but the Honda is more practical IMO, and just because it loses in the 1/4 mile doesn't mean it will lose on a track. They didn't test on an actual track, neither did R&T with the other article I posted. I will also have my $8-10k I saved when buying the Si and make it more then the GTI could ever be at its $30k price tag. Some may say I'm just a Honda fan boy, but its really that I just hate VW. I have to listen to horror stories all the time about them since my roommates brother and friends work as mechanics for them. Being that I know people who work for Honda as well, I know where I stand and why. From my experience, most of the people on this forum don't work on their own cars - or are even capable of it. But for anyone who does, tell me now which is easier to work on - Honda or VW. And which you'll have to work on more often.
As for the wiki number, I don't know where they got that from - MotorTrend shows .98 lateral G. Which is insane for a FWD car, I don't care what you guys say
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Or at least split off from the Honda fanboy war that's taken over...Originally posted by: OS
maybe the discussion should stick to cars that actually exist for now
Originally posted by: Slickone
If you click on each car's link at the bottom of the article, it shows how they placed.Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Slickone
Yet C&D gave 1st place to the GTI in their GTI vs Si test. Go figure.Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Chunkee
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Chunkee
only 139ftlbs of torque?
jC
Hey, didn't you get the memo, that's powerful!
Out of 197 hp...dunno
what are the 0-60 times on this hyped car..
bunch o honda fan boys on here
guess never thought they were that great...styling is always lackluster...drab...
jC
Read one of the articles any of the major magazines have done on the new Si. Motortrend just did an Si versu GTi comparisson and the Honda spanked the VW. Downright gutted it on the track in every single handingle characteristic, despite having a huge torque disadvantage.
I think its more YOUR bias that has prevented you from even taking notice, the new Si is beyond anything in its price range - and has proven its capable of taking things well out of its price range too (on the track that is). 0-60 times are mid 6's, but quite irrelevant considering it can handle about as well as a Vette even though its FWD. Its a fun car to drive regardless of who you are, don't judge it until you've read something about it or actually driven it
Wiki says the 06 Civic Si avg's .90G lateral accel. How is that near a Vette?
Read the headlines.
Grace and handling finish second to a fast and practical box.
EDIT: BTW I don't see where they picked a winner there. By that title I would think they picked the Honda as number one. It also says, further down
"For the first time in anyone?s memory, we have a tie in the ?gotta have it? column. Usually, we have an instinctive idea of which car is going to emerge the winner in a comparison test before we tally the scores. Not in this comparo. We had to wait for the ballots to be counted before we knew which corner could celebrate"
Where is that you see the GTI win?
And if not, then sorry but the Honda is more practical IMO, and just because it loses in the 1/4 mile doesn't mean it will lose on a track. They didn't test on an actual track, neither did R&T with the other article I posted. I will also have my $8-10k I saved when buying the Si and make it more then the GTI could ever be at its $30k price tag. Some may say I'm just a Honda fan boy, but its really that I just hate VW. I have to listen to horror stories all the time about them since my roommates brother and friends work as mechanics for them. Being that I know people who work for Honda as well, I know where I stand and why. From my experience, most of the people on this forum don't work on their own cars - or are even capable of it. But for anyone who does, tell me now which is easier to work on - Honda or VW. And which you'll have to work on more often.
As for the wiki number, I don't know where they got that from - MotorTrend shows .98 lateral G. Which is insane for a FWD car, I don't care what you guys say
Car and Driver got .91 g out it. Is .98 even possible on 215 series tires? Which issue of Motor Trend showed that?
Don't get me wrong, .90-.91 is still impressive.
And I don't like VW's either. I've worked in a few auto shops.
People often get upper 20's MPG in their 350Z's.Originally posted by: NutBucket
Every Honda I've experienced will easily achieve EPA numbers even if you hammer on it some (WOT runs up the on ramp, etc.) Drive conservatively and you'll easily top EPA numbers.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If you're looking for 30mpg you can forget about the Civic Si and the 350Z. You'll get more like 23 from the Civic and you'll be lucky to get 20 from the Z.
Originally posted by: OS
"Killing Time on Back Roads
Our Civic Si went to the test track the same day as a Corvette Z06, a Viper and a Ford GT, yet, it stayed with these high rollers in the slalom, running through the 600-foot cone course at almost 68 mph. That's faster than the Viper and only a hair behind the Corvette's performance. "
edmunds review
Originally posted by: Skold
The new Civic Si basically outdoes the RSX Type-S in every way performance wise. It's gearing and suspension/handling are all superior and the engine is a little better too. It's cheaper, and some may say better looking.
Basically, the new Civic Si makes the RSX-S obsolete.
Also, for all who care, the car I buy WILL be a manual transmission...forgot to mention that!
Originally posted by: dawheat
I'm not sure why its compared to the GTI as it runs a good 5-6K more which is RX-8/350Z/WRX territory, all which have noticeably better performance than either car.
Originally posted by: dawheat
But don't get caught up in hype- the Si is a well handling FWD coupe with typical Honda polish, but it's neither as balanced or in the performance ballpark the cars in the mid to upper 20s mentioned above.
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: dawheat
I'm not sure why its compared to the GTI as it runs a good 5-6K more which is RX-8/350Z/WRX territory, all which have noticeably better performance than either car.
Cost out the door for an Si would be about $22 depending on your dealer I guess, where as the GTI is pushing $30. Thats about $8k difference, but yes I agree with you completely.
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: NutBucket
512's are good? They're not terribly far ahead of the stockers IMHO.Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
OP,
1. Get the 05/06 Legacy GT Ltd.
2. Ditch the RE92 tires
3. Get good tires (Falken Ziex 512 ftw)
4. Profit $$$$ Cha-Ching!
You left out one important step; Jdm/Cusco rear sway bar.
Really? Nasioc and LegacyGT forums rate them as being a really good tire, especially for the price. I was about to pick 'em up from discount tire since they have them pretty cheap right now ($77 per tire + free shipping )
Upper 20's highway sure; lucky to get 20 in the city: i.e. typical torquey V6Originally posted by: Slickone
People often get upper 20's MPG in their 350Z's.Originally posted by: NutBucket
Every Honda I've experienced will easily achieve EPA numbers even if you hammer on it some (WOT runs up the on ramp, etc.) Drive conservatively and you'll easily top EPA numbers.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If you're looking for 30mpg you can forget about the Civic Si and the 350Z. You'll get more like 23 from the Civic and you'll be lucky to get 20 from the Z.
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Originally posted by: Aquila76
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: NutBucket
512's are good? They're not terribly far ahead of the stockers IMHO.Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
OP,
1. Get the 05/06 Legacy GT Ltd.
2. Ditch the RE92 tires
3. Get good tires (Falken Ziex 512 ftw)
4. Profit $$$$ Cha-Ching!
You left out one important step; Jdm/Cusco rear sway bar.
Really? Nasioc and LegacyGT forums rate them as being a really good tire, especially for the price. I was about to pick 'em up from discount tire since they have them pretty cheap right now ($77 per tire + free shipping )
That was a tire I was looking at last summer when I needed new tires; but I read a few reviews about it not being a good snow tire and getting rather squirrely on 'under construction' roads. Not one for us Massholes since we're piled with both.
Exactly. OP said:Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Upper 20's highway sure; lucky to get 20 in the city: i.e. typical torquey V6Originally posted by: Slickone
People often get upper 20's MPG in their 350Z's.Originally posted by: NutBucket
Every Honda I've experienced will easily achieve EPA numbers even if you hammer on it some (WOT runs up the on ramp, etc.) Drive conservatively and you'll easily top EPA numbers.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If you're looking for 30mpg you can forget about the Civic Si and the 350Z. You'll get more like 23 from the Civic and you'll be lucky to get 20 from the Z.
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Woah. Posted yesterday. Hadn't seen that yet. But it still doesn't state that Honda said they won't be making the RSX.?Originally posted by: bR
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing. Just clarifyingOriginally posted by: Slickone
Exactly. OP said:
Some criteria:
-30 or better highway gas mileage
Besides, 20 MPG city isn't bad for 300HP.
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Nikamichi
If you had the most fun with a CRX, why not look at the RSX? It's within your price range, and you can get a Type-S w/all the standard options for under 24k.
Because you can get the Si for less, which has basically the same engine but handles better and has better standard equipment
Yes, but a higher resale value since it will be off the market soon (a la the Prelude).