2006 Subaru Impreza vs 2007 Volkswagen Rabbit

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caspur

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Car and driver couldn't give less of a sh*t about what it actually involves maintaining a car; they don't care if it's reliable or not.

This is a very valid point that I think a lot of posters here don't realize when they read comparisons in car magazines. Unlike Consumer Reports, enthusiast magazines are written for entertainment. They simply don't have the data collection that a consumer publication uses to gauge reliability, which should be an important part of the purchase decision.

That being said, when I sign out cars for the night, I always pick the VW. I like the way the steering feels. I think that as you test drive more cars you get very peculiar preferences and tendencies that are different than the general public. In some ways, Car and Driver does a disservice to a buyer because they let their preferences get in the way of what is actually a better purchase decision. Does that make sense?....

To clarify then (and keep it tech relevant), suppose you have two computer keyboards. They both have the same arrangement of keys, they both produce the same letter/text when you type on them, however the keys feel different. One is a classical, IBM-type feel, the other is a generic OEM keyboard. The classical keyboard is priced twice as much as the OEM one. Which is the better buy?...For some, the feel of the IBM keyboard is compelling enough to warrant the higher price. However, the better purchase decision for the general public is the OEM keyboard at the lower price.
 

PricklyPete

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you guys ever check reliability on true delta?

I've actually been tracking my A4 on true delta. I'd love to see them having a lot more representation (# of cars being tracked), but the idea is great. I think the website itself could use a major overhaul though. The guy running it seems pretty determined to get good data.
 

sdifox

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I've actually been tracking my A4 on true delta. I'd love to see them having a lot more representation (# of cars being tracked), but the idea is great. I think the website itself could use a major overhaul though. The guy running it seems pretty determined to get good data.

people are lazy, what can I say.
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
Aug 23, 2007
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AWD and Turbo with 230 HP under the hood so not a big surprise. If you want a peppy fun driving car that can handle well in different weather conditions then get the Impreza.

Oops, didn't realize that was the WRX. So what mpg does the base Impreza get?
 

rdp6

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May 14, 2007
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I don't have an '07 Jetta 2.5, but I do have an '07 Passat 2.0T. Coming up on 77K miles and have had no major issues to deal with out of pocket.

1. MFD was overheating under extreme conditions and corrupted the LCD display. Replaced instrument cluster free.

2. AC was / is weak. Recharged system at the last under warrantee service visit (50K). Better now, but definitely no GM car. Not a problem for me in NE Ohio. Car is black on black.

3. Engine consumes about 1 qt of oil every 10K. Expected for VWs.

I get 31mpg running the AC and driving 23 miles at ~65 and 23 miles at ~75 each way for my daily commute. 33+ mpg with the AC off. I have 3 stops along the way and I wind it up every time. 6 speed manual and turbocharged engine = fun. I also have been passing other cars a lot lately.

I really like this car. Never thought I would be "connected" to the car which carries me on a commute which steals so much of my time, but even today I patted the steering wheel as I lifted from near redline in 4th passing 2 cars and a truck on a long straight.
 

AsianriceX

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Dec 30, 2001
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10k intervals are fine with the 2.0T using mobile 1 synth.

Don't worry. Since you have to constantly top it off, by the time 10k rolls around you're on practically new oil anyway!

But really, as long as it's VW 502.00 approved, it should be OK. I've personally switched to German Castrol since I can easily find it at the local Autozone and it has had a good UOA track record with people on the forums I visit...

...or maybe they just spew a lot of jargon and I'm inclined to believe it because I don't want to stress too much about what oil I'm putting in my DD.
 

rdp6

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May 14, 2007
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I wonder if I wouldn't have to add a bit every now and then if I would accelerate more conservatively. Considering it adds about $7 in costs for oil every few months it is no big deal.
 

Arkaign

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10k intervals are fine with the 2.0T using mobile 1 synth.

Not to totally derail this, but most types of Mobil 1 (which I use personally, though there are better ones out there) isn't a real Group 4 oil. I think there was a German one available out there that actually was for a while though. Perhaps this information is outdated, but it was certainly true the last time I did any considerable research on the subject. Bobtheoilguy.com and the forums there were really illuminating. Anyhow, with the stepped-on 'synthetics' these days, the oil itself lasts a pretty long time as far as core components, but various additives break down, which leads me to keep to a 3k (extreme driving) to 5k (moderate driving) interval on my non-Turbo Focus. This is Texas though, over 100F during the summer and fairly cold in winter, along with crap for traffic.

10k exceeds my confidence in anything but true Group 4 PAO oils like Amsoil, Schaeffer's, Royal Purple, and other fairly expensive top shelf oils.

Like I said, my info may be outdated, but that's what I know about it.
 
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PhoKingGuy

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Not to totally derail this, but most types of Mobil 1 (which I use personally, though there are better ones out there) isn't a real Group 4 oil. I think there was a German one available out there that actually was for a while though. Perhaps this information is outdated, but it was certainly true the last time I did any considerable research on the subject. Bobtheoilguy.com and the forums there were really illuminating. Anyhow, with the stepped-on 'synthetics' these days, the oil itself lasts a pretty long time as far as core components, but various additives break down, which leads me to keep to a 3k (extreme driving) to 5k (moderate driving) interval on my non-Turbo Focus. This is Texas though, over 100F during the summer and fairly cold in winter, along with crap for traffic.

10k exceeds my confidence in anything but true Group 4 PAO oils like Amsoil, Schaeffer's, Royal Purple, and other fairly expensive top shelf oils.

Like I said, my info may be outdated, but that's what I know about it.

VW OEM oil is german castrol, but nearly impossible to get here. Dealers use Total full synth oil instead.

Amsoil and Royal Purple technically don't meet VW 505.1 (or something) oil spec so if theres a problem they can DQ your warranty for it.
 

AsianriceX

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VW OEM oil is german castrol, but nearly impossible to get here. Dealers use Total full synth oil instead.

Amsoil and Royal Purple technically don't meet VW 505.1 (or something) oil spec so if theres a problem they can DQ your warranty for it.

You mean this German Castrol?
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=718643#Post718643

I've been able to get it in my podunk area Autozones for ~7.50/qt. Not sure how prevalent it is at other Autozones across the country however. I might be the only person around these parts that's buying up their stock of GC.

When I got my VW CPO, the dealer had oil change stickers for Castrol 5w-40 on the windshield. I think most of the oil threads on golfmkv were people asking where they could find an approved Castrol 5w-40 (never read anything about a dealer using Total, maybe mine was just cheap), at which point people recommended GC, or some other brand available on the approved oil list.

If anyone cares, here's the big ass list of approved oils (most of which people won't recognize and isn't available in the States):
http://www.vw.com/myvw/yourcar/maintenance/en/us/images/vw_oil_recommendations.pdf
 
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PhoKingGuy

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You mean this German Castrol?
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=718643#Post718643

I've been able to get it in my podunk area Autozones for ~7.50/qt. Not sure how prevalent it is at other Autozones across the country however. I might be the only person around these parts that's buying up their stock of GC.

When I got my VW CPO, the dealer had oil change stickers for Castrol 5w-40 on the windshield. I think most of the oil threads on golfmkv were people asking where they could find an approved Castrol 5w-40 (never read anything about a dealer using Total, maybe mine was just cheap), at which point people recommended GC, or some other brand available on the approved oil list.

If anyone cares, here's the big ass list of approved oils (most of which people won't recognize and isn't available in the States):
http://www.vw.com/myvw/yourcar/maintenance/en/us/images/vw_oil_recommendations.pdf

Interesting, I was never able to find that. MY TDI takes some ridiculously rare oil you can only get at the dealer so I don't care anymore, lol.

my dealer specifically stated that they use total 5W-40 for all 2.0T gas engines, maybe have just been them though.
 

rdp6

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My dealer (Ganley Westside) uses GC, or at leasts uses the GC part number on their invoice. I use the Castrol Syntec with the VAG certification from Autozone or Advance. I have never seen more than one weight / brand of oil with the VAG mark at these stores, and it is always Castrol. Cost is about $7 / qt, again, that is negligible over the life of the car.
 
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