2007 Honda Accord 4cyl - LEV vs PZEV

[RU482]

I am looking at 2007 Honda Accords w/ 4cyl engine.

If you build it online, there are two options, LEV (low emissions vehicle) and PZEV (Partial Zero-Emissions Vehicle), the latter being $50 more (maybe it's $500).

Anyway, the HP, torque, and MPG ratings are the same...how did they accomplish this?

What is the difference between the two options?

 

[mk52]

the cat

 

[zoiks]

Puss in boots?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MelikK
the cat

that's most of the difference, but also the fuel injectors, fuel pump, o2 sensors, spark plugs and probably the ECU is different. There is probably other stuff I am missing.

honestly if i had a choice, I would probably pick the regular LEV model, the above mentioned parts are significantly cheaper. The PZEV parts often cost around double.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MelikK
the cat

that's most of the difference, but also the fuel injectors, fuel pump, o2 sensors, spark plugs and probably the ECU is different. There is probably other stuff I am missing.

honestly if i had a choice, I would probably pick the regular LEV model, the above mentioned parts are significantly cheaper. The PZEV parts often cost around double.

Doesn't the PZEV even have extra cats on it?

 

[Insane3D]

Surprisingly, my '06 Speed 6 is a PZEV vehicle...weird.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MelikK
the cat

that's most of the difference, but also the fuel injectors, fuel pump, o2 sensors, spark plugs and probably the ECU is different. There is probably other stuff I am missing.

honestly if i had a choice, I would probably pick the regular LEV model, the above mentioned parts are significantly cheaper. The PZEV parts often cost around double.

Doesn't the PZEV even have extra cats on it?

not in this case, just a different one that costs almost twice as much.

 

[evident]

just get the accord, you won't be disappointed, i just drove home in my new black 07 accord coupe ex-l and avoided a huge accident on the hwy with it

 

[thomsbrain]

my current-gen accord is a ULEV, just to confuse you even more.

i'd personally pay a bit more for the PZEV version, just to ease my conscience a bit.

 

[fbrdphreak]

You typically can't get PZEV-rated vehicles outside of CA. CA is the only reason those options exist, to my knowledge.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
You typically can't get PZEV-rated vehicles outside of CA. CA is the only reason those options exist, to my knowledge.

That's not true. There are several states in the NE that require PZEV as well..

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
You typically can't get PZEV-rated vehicles outside of CA. CA is the only reason those options exist, to my knowledge.

That's not true. There are several states in the NE that require PZEV as well..

My 3 is a PZEV....and I live in MA

 

[Thegonagle]

I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

PZEV means no vapor emissions from gasoline evaporation. It can almost be used interchangeably with the term SULEV(Only addition is no evap control emissions, others are the exact same as SULEV standards. In addition to no evap system emissions, its also mandated to come with a 15 year/150k mile emission control warranty. If you buy a hybrid, this 15 year warranty incidentally covers propulsion units for the hybrid system.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I stand corrected, there are other states that require PZEV. But they all copied CA, so I'm half right.

Anyway - my point was, if your state doesn't require it, I don't think you can get it. Costs more for them to make the PZEV, why would they sell them everywhere? Or am I wrong?

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I stand corrected, there are other states that require PZEV. But they all copied CA, so I'm half right.

Anyway - my point was, if your state doesn't require it, I don't think you can get it. Costs more for them to make the PZEV, why would they sell them everywhere? Or am I wrong?

I think they pick the states that have the strictest emissions requirements.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

PZEV means no vapor emissions from gasoline evaporation. It can almost be used interchangeably with the term SULEV(Only addition is no evap control emissions, others are the exact same as SULEV standards. In addition to no evap system emissions, its also mandated to come with a 15 year/150k mile emission control warranty. If you buy a hybrid, this 15 year warranty incidentally covers propulsion units for the hybrid system.

so i am covered for 15 years (or 150K) if my cats fail?:Q

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

PZEV means no vapor emissions from gasoline evaporation. It can almost be used interchangeably with the term SULEV(Only addition is no evap control emissions, others are the exact same as SULEV standards. In addition to no evap system emissions, its also mandated to come with a 15 year/150k mile emission control warranty. If you buy a hybrid, this 15 year warranty incidentally covers propulsion units for the hybrid system.

so i am covered for 15 years (or 150K) if my cats fail?:Q

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're covered if ANY part of the exhaust system fails. That's a real advantage in the rust belt.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

PZEV means no vapor emissions from gasoline evaporation. It can almost be used interchangeably with the term SULEV(Only addition is no evap control emissions, others are the exact same as SULEV standards. In addition to no evap system emissions, its also mandated to come with a 15 year/150k mile emission control warranty. If you buy a hybrid, this 15 year warranty incidentally covers propulsion units for the hybrid system.

so i am covered for 15 years (or 150K) if my cats fail?:Q

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're covered if ANY part of the exhaust system fails. That's a real advantage in the rust belt.

I thoght it was usually something like 75k or 10 years?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
I thought that the PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) was the hybrid version, because it can run momentarily on electricity alone. I don't understand how conventional engines could get that rating, unless, while coasting in gear, it emits zero pollution.

PZEV means no vapor emissions from gasoline evaporation. It can almost be used interchangeably with the term SULEV(Only addition is no evap control emissions, others are the exact same as SULEV standards. In addition to no evap system emissions, its also mandated to come with a 15 year/150k mile emission control warranty. If you buy a hybrid, this 15 year warranty incidentally covers propulsion units for the hybrid system.

so i am covered for 15 years (or 150K) if my cats fail?:Q

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're covered if ANY part of the exhaust system fails. That's a real advantage in the rust belt.

I thoght it was usually something like 75k or 10 years?

Not sure if yuo can call the cat back "emissions control" but yeah, mandatory 15 year coverage to meet the requirement. Greatest thing is Prisuses,civics, accords, escapes, vues (hybrids of course) also cover the electric motor and systems.