2007 Hurricane forecast rolled back...

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Waters are too cool...

NEW YORK (Reuters) -The 2007 hurricane season may be less severe than forecast due to cooler-than-expected water temperatures in the tropical Atlantic, private forecaster WSI Corp said on Tuesday.

The season will bring 14 named storms, of which six will become hurricanes and three will become major hurricanes, WSI said in its revised outlook. WSI had previously expected 15 named storms of which eight would become hurricanes and four would become major hurricanes.

"Because the ocean temperatures have not yet rebounded from the significant drop in late spring, we have decided to reduce our forecast numbers slightly," said Todd Crawford, a WSI seasonal forecaster.

The energy and insurance industries are keenly watching the 2007 storm season after the record damage caused by hurricanes two years ago.

During the 2005 season, hurricanes Katrina and Rita devastated parts of the U.S. Gulf Coast and temporarily knocked out a quarter of U.S. crude and fuel production, sending energy prices to then-record highs.

WSI's Crawford added that wind conditions due to the lack of an El Nino event were less conducive to formation of tropical storms.

Despite the downgraded forecast, WSI still expects the 2007 season to be more active than last year, and added that storm-weary parts of the Gulf Coast could still be hit.

"We feel the general threat to the western Gulf is reduced slightly, with a corresponding increase in the threat to the eastern Gulf and Florida," Crawford said.

Good news to all you gulf-staters. We'll see what happens in the Pacific out here. We just dodged Cosme and more are brewing.

 

[ProfJohn]

How can we have cooler than expected water temperatures?

I thought the world was getting warmer via Global Warming?

Two years in a row with reduced Hurricane forecasts?
I thought that Katrina was just the beginning or a cycle of killer storms caused by GW?

I am so confused right now, someone get my Al Gore on the phone so he can explain all this to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How can we have cooler than expected water temperatures?

I thought the world was getting warmer via Global Warming?

Two years in a row with reduced Hurricane forecasts?
I thought that Katrina was just the beginning or a cycle of killer storms caused by GW?

I am so confused right now, someone get my Al Gore on the phone so he can explain all this to me.

You so like being confused you do it to yourself. It only took me a fraction of a second to realize that if next year is predicted to be 10 degrees hotter via global warming and it is only 5 degrees hotter, that would still be cooler than expected but 5 degrees hotter than last year, no? What you need to do is take your hands out of your pockets and manipulate your reasoning powers instead. In other words, stop playing with your dick and start thinking.

You poor right winged nut cases are making a religion out of denying global warming.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How can we have cooler than expected water temperatures?

I thought the world was getting warmer via Global Warming?

Two years in a row with reduced Hurricane forecasts?
I thought that Katrina was just the beginning or a cycle of killer storms caused by GW?

I am so confused right now, someone get my Al Gore on the phone so he can explain all this to me.

You so like being confused you do it to yourself. It only took me a fraction of a second to realize that if next year is predicted to be 10 degrees hotter via global warming and it is only 5 degrees hotter, that would still be cooler than expected but 5 degrees hotter than last year, no? What you need to do is take your hands out of your pockets and manipulate your reasoning powers instead. In other words, stop playing with your dick and start thinking.

You poor right winged nut cases are making a religion out of denying global warming.

Ironing... :laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

You poor right winged nut cases are making a religion out of denying global warming.

You poor left winged nut cases are making a religion out of supporting global warming.

 

[ScottMac]

One of the new talking points for the MMGW folks is to reduce use of the term "Global Warming" and substitute "Climate Change"

Check out the news: GW / MMGW is being used much less, now CC is the way to go.

It is supposed to reduce the confusion for people who are seeing cooler weather / hear about "cool" events and trends. It also covers them so when they eventually swing back to "Global Cooling" (where it all started back in the 70's) and "we're approaching the new Ice Age ...."

Watch for the new buzz words in all the news and "In Tune" politicians...

 

[Genx87]

Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

You are absolutly right. However the only reason this is being brought up is that GW grabbed onto to one year datapoint that was katrina and used it say that these kind of storms were going to become the norm. Hurricane cycles are fairly well understood and right now we are in a period of more hurricane activity and not less. This of course was completely ignored by the GW crowd.

 

[dmcowen674]

I love all the right wingers that post in here that have no concept about weather on this planet whatsoever.

They are apparently blind as well because the extremes are clearly visible with just about every record since man started recording weather being broken on almost a daily basis.

They are apparently blind as well because they don't see the ocean levels rising.

There is a whole lot more but there is no point because it falls on deaf ears because the key is that GW can affect their bottom line when it comes to their blood money.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ScottMac
One of the new talking points for the MMGW folks is to reduce use of the term "Global Warming" and substitute "Climate Change"

Check out the news: GW / MMGW is being used much less, now CC is the way to go.

It is supposed to reduce the confusion for people who are seeing cooler weather / hear about "cool" events and trends. It also covers them so when they eventually swing back to "Global Cooling" (where it all started back in the 70's) and "we're approaching the new Ice Age ...."

Watch for the new buzz words in all the news and "In Tune" politicians...

It makes sense to call it global climate change. Sadly, with all the partisanship, it allows for such easy attacks on everything possible. While not trying to change the topic, it's kind of like how Rummy didn't want to continue using war on terror -- it gets the wrong idea across.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego. They will die because we will not feel.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego.

They will die because we will not feel.

Oh they feel alright. The texture of green in their pockets from destroying the planet.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego.

They will die because we will not feel.

Oh they feel alright. The texture of green in their pockets from destroying the planet.

Wanna buy some carbon credits Dave?

 

[Moonbeam]

Wanna buy some carbon credits Dave?

What is that supposed to mean? I am not a member of your religion.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego. They will die because we will not feel.

A great parallel. Well over 50 years ago scientists were figuring out the dangers of smoking. Tobacco companies then hired scientists to stir up a "debate" over the "real" effects and what do you know? Those scientists constantly found that smoking wasn't the cause of any disease, and that cigarettes were not addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. Despite near universal scientific concordance on the issue, in the 1990s the CEOs of the tobacco companies testified in Congress that they didn't believe cigarettes were addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. All this time, people like ProfJohn and Skoorb were saying, "See? You left wing cigarette nuts think tobacco kills everyone but nobody knows. The jury is still out." Finally by 2000 the tobacco industry began admitting well, ok, tobacco kills, but it's an adult's choice to make.." Find me a scientist today who says tobacco isn't harmful. It will be the same in a few decades with global warming. Let's just hope everyone comes around before tens of millions of people die for the lies like has happened with cigarettes.

For the record, the CEO of EXXON has admitted there is a climate change ongoing. Man's contribution to it he is unsure of, but even he doesn't deny it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Since transferring to the New Orleans area to work on space programs, I have been watching this very carefully.
We now live on the North Shore side of Lake Pontchartrain in Slidell, and have been here since December.
Progress is slow, but those who don't live here or know diddly-shit about the area continue to spew their ignorant misconceptions
about everyone knowing that New Orleans is a disaster, it's way underwater, nothing but poor coons, and all the other falsehoods
and rumors that they hear and thrive on to bloat up thier simple minds.


The Flood - PLAY IT !

Mississippi took the direct hit, but the FEDS rushed 20 times the money to their friends Republican Governor Haley Barbor
and Senator Trent Lott - even though there were nearly 100 times as many people affected by the post strom flooding
which was caused by engineering failures of cheap-ass shoddy work by the Core of Engineers, who had been underfunded for decades.

Slidell, a quite wealthy predominantly white bedroom community took the Western Eye-wall of the storm, and was subjected to
sustained 150 MPH winds with gusts over 175 MPH for over 4 hours.
The storm ran up the streets and highways from the lake and left water standing 4 feet deep some 5 miles into the town.

Slidell & Vicinity

Look at the surge of water overtopping the levee in Chalmette.

Over half of the homes and businesses were wiped out - there are still shopping centers abandoned and houses waiting for
insurance companies to get of their asses and -provide the payments that they are legally responsible for, but each company is
fighting it tooth and nail in court to extend their time as far as possible before the courts order them to pay up - stall and hope enough
of the victims die off to reduce the liabilities that the insurance companies have to pay out.

The New Orleans Metro area has lost 80% of all housing, and there is an area that it is nearly impossible to describe how big it is in size.

For those in Texas - take the area from West Fort Worth through Arlington, and all the way to Dallas - from Loop 820 on the North
I-30 in the middle, and I-20 in the South - connect the dots - it's roughly a 10 mile top to bottom by 40 mile east to west footprint,
for all intents and purposes . . . gone, doesn't much matter if you got 3 feet of water or 15 feet inside your dwelling, it sat for a month and rotted away.

Piasabird in Alton - Hwy 67 from Alton to I-70, the all the way to Ofallon then South to Eureka and follow it back through Kirkwood,
accross the river and through the woods to Collinsville - get it?


Oh yeah, the reason that the storms are not yet developing is winds aloft - wind shear is tearing off the upper levels of the clouds and preventing
them from organizing and forming into the heat engine structures that drive the storms - once formed they are driven by the warm waters to intensify.

 

[2Xtreme21]

People don't realize that the climate getting warmer is not the big thing everyone is worried about. The influx of massive amounts of fresh water from the ice caps melting will fuck up the jet stream and eventually turn the British Isles into Siberia.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego. They will die because we will not feel.

A great parallel. Well over 50 years ago scientists were figuring out the dangers of smoking. Tobacco companies then hired scientists to stir up a "debate" over the "real" effects and what do you know? Those scientists constantly found that smoking wasn't the cause of any disease, and that cigarettes were not addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. Despite near universal scientific concordance on the issue, in the 1990s the CEOs of the tobacco companies testified in Congress that they didn't believe cigarettes were addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. All this time, people like ProfJohn and Skoorb were saying, "See? You left wing cigarette nuts think tobacco kills everyone but nobody knows. The jury is still out." Finally by 2000 the tobacco industry began admitting well, ok, tobacco kills, but it's an adult's choice to make.." Find me a scientist today who says tobacco isn't harmful. It will be the same in a few decades with global warming. Let's just hope everyone comes around before tens of millions of people die for the lies like has happened with cigarettes.

For the record, the CEO of EXXON has admitted there is a climate change ongoing. Man's contribution to it he is unsure of, but even he doesn't deny it.

No one in their right mind would deny that climage change is ongoing, climate change has been happening since the earth began.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Do you make this same argument when the MMGW faithful point to one hurricane and say that this is a sign of things to come? That is the only reason that this is being brought up, the MMGW nuts were telling us that each year hurricanes are getting worse and worse, so of course when that proves to be wrong we are going to point it out. Do you have a problem with the MMGW crowd doing this in the first place?

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wanna buy some carbon credits Dave?

What is that supposed to mean? I am not a member of your religion.

I know you're constantly in a fantasy world, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't talking to you.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 05 they predicted it was only going to get worse. Last year had what, one hurricane that even sniffed land? Now this year they expect lower than forcasted hurricanes as well.

I think we should put our economic future in the hands of these snake oil salesman.

Is it possible that you people even remotely know what you're talking about? Seriously, the fact that you think this qualifies as a point raises some interesting questions along those lines... Anyone who has ever studied the most rudimentary aspects of science can tell you the difference between a trend along many points and a link between two points. The fact that temperatures might go down one year does not mean they aren't trending upwards over a period of several years. This is science 101, actually learning it might help move this discussion from political cat fighting into more intelligent territory.

Please, my dear Rainsford, don't make the mistake of assuming that people are interested in intelligent discussion in any intelligent territory.

The territory they seek to protect is emotional. People on the right acquire a substitute self respect to replace their lost self respect from being put down as children, by identifying with an external authoritarian good which tells them they are good so long as they conform to authoritarian thinking.

This fact, in turn, is taken advantage of by those authoritarians whose interest in power is money. They spend billions of phony science and scientists to create a distraction that denies anything that threatens their financial interest. They brainwash the sheep to cause them to bleat in certain ways. Tobacco is safe, universal health care would be a disaster, farm subsidies are required or we will starve, and on and on and on. We can't protect against global warming because it will cost too much money and the people it will cost will do whatever they can to protect their profits.

You of course know this, I am sure, but it is the saving of face in the denial of feelings of worthlessness that creates the circus we see. People will let the world die rather than know how they feel. There's not much hope for humanity without seeing this fact, in my opinion.

Everywhere we look humanity is marching to extinction. It is what we unconsciously want. We will allow all those millions and billions of potential God-like children to die on the alter of ego. They will die because we will not feel.

A great parallel. Well over 50 years ago scientists were figuring out the dangers of smoking. Tobacco companies then hired scientists to stir up a "debate" over the "real" effects and what do you know? Those scientists constantly found that smoking wasn't the cause of any disease, and that cigarettes were not addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. Despite near universal scientific concordance on the issue, in the 1990s the CEOs of the tobacco companies testified in Congress that they didn't believe cigarettes were addictive. So people kept smoking and dying. All this time, people like ProfJohn and Skoorb were saying, "See? You left wing cigarette nuts think tobacco kills everyone but nobody knows. The jury is still out." Finally by 2000 the tobacco industry began admitting well, ok, tobacco kills, but it's an adult's choice to make.." Find me a scientist today who says tobacco isn't harmful. It will be the same in a few decades with global warming. Let's just hope everyone comes around before tens of millions of people die for the lies like has happened with cigarettes.

For the record, the CEO of EXXON has admitted there is a climate change ongoing. Man's contribution to it he is unsure of, but even he doesn't deny it.

No one in their right mind would deny that climage change is ongoing, climate change has been happening since the earth began.

Perhaps I worded it poorly. Until recently, there was strong denial movement that the earth was heating up at all. When presented with evidence of global warming, the naysayers immediately claimed, like tobacco corps, that the data wasn't conclusive. Now, you look like an idiot if you claim the data is inconclusive. Clearly there is global warming. It's cause and extent are what is being debated now, not it's existence. And that's at least a first step.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I love all the right wingers that post in here that have no concept about weather on this planet whatsoever.

They are apparently blind as well because the extremes are clearly visible with just about every record since man started recording weather being broken on almost a daily basis.

They are apparently blind as well because they don't see the ocean levels rising.

There is a whole lot more but there is no point because it falls on deaf ears because the key is that GW can affect their bottom line when it comes to their blood money.

:laugh: Like being a left winger give you better insight. :laugh:

It's not like the oceans were holding at constant levels until the industrial revolution y'know. The oceans have risen hundreds of feet in the last 20,000 years. Let's bring it to a more manageable time frame. (The last 5000 years) We have found entire cities under water.

 

[StageLeft]

Find me a scientist today who says tobacco isn't harmful. It will be the same in a few decades with global warming.

This is not smoking.

GW is not universally harmful. If it was, do you think we'd benefit from a global cooling, or is everything just so darn peachy right now? Why do I so infrequently hear--almost never--about the benefits of global warming? Surely there are some? Can't we objectivy this just a tiny little bit? Only once we can drop our agendas and be honest with ourselves can we have a true knowledge about the issue (and even then, I think science is too immature to understand more than the elementary basics of climate, as it continually reminds us by blown/underblown predictions, wildly off-base estimates, models, etc.).

But I guess that's all too hard. Just as a hardcore dem can't admit there's anything good about a republican and vice versa, it simply requires too much brain power for a hardcore GWer to admit that it's not all doom and gloom.

For the record, the CEO of EXXON has admitted there is a climate change ongoing. Man's contribution to it he is unsure of, but even he doesn't deny it.

Wow, stop thre press! Climate change has been a constant FOREVER. It's always changing. Right now it appears to be warming. The question is whether that's all bad and another is what can we even do about it?

 

[GoPackGo]

So if scientists can't accurately predict a hurricane season, how can we trust them to peer 5, 10, more years down the road?

Oh and if you want to talk trends...in relation to what?

10 years, 100 years? 400000 years?

A million? A billion?

Dont forget at one point South Dakota was a tropical rain forrest.