2008 VP Debate Thread

[Perknose]

Of course, Biden won on substance.

And, yeah, Palin played very well to her base impressionistically and emotionally.

But, no, Palin couldn't possibly have converted anyone truly on the fence, no matter how they self-define themselves. If they fell for her folksy horseshit, they were always going to.

But remember, McCain is significantly behind in the polls now.

So, Joe Biden, by staying within his own experienced and knoweldgable self and not making any major gaffes, safely kept his running mate in the lead.

And THAT was the bottom line of this debate, my friends. :thumbsup:

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
not very much, homercles. i wish i could say things were better.
you?

We should get drinks. Im in the back bay now. Take it to PMs?

 

[JJChicken]

The next debate is on teusday

 

[foghorn67]

So if McCain acts like a grump, it's all about a judgment of character. But if Biden does the same, it's okay? Palin held her composure.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Of course, Biden won on substance.

And, yeah, Palin played very well to her base impressionistically and emotionally.

But, no, Palin couldn't possibly have converted anyone truly on the fence, no matter how they self-define themselves. If they fell for her folksy horseshit, they were always going to.

But remember, McCain is significantly behind in the polls now.

So, Joe Biden, by staying within his own experienced and knoweldgable self and not making any major gaffes, safely kept his running mate in the lead.

And THAT was the bottom line of this debate, my friends. :thumbsup:

Certainly all true. It's McCain's job to win his own election, and really always has been.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Perknose
Of course, Biden won on substance.

And, yeah, Palin played very well to her base impressionistically and emotionally.

But, no, Palin couldn't possibly have converted anyone truly on the fence, no matter how they self-define themselves. If they fell for her folksy horseshit, they were always going to.

But remember, McCain is significantly behind in the polls now.

So, Joe Biden, by staying within his own experienced and knoweldgable self and not making any major gaffes, safely kept his running mate in the lead.

And THAT was the bottom line of this debate, my friends. :thumbsup:

Certainly all true. It's McCain's job to win his own election, and really always has been.

I was a Gore and Kerry supporter, so you have my deepest empathy. But you don't have my sympathy.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: winnar111
Well that was kind of boring. Meh.

= Biden win. :laugh:

On substance, obviously.

Will it help then win, probably not.

Now Palin can duck into Cheney's bunker for a month, popping up every few days.

Substance or reality? Each side played their talking points but take away Palin's looks and 'folksy charm' and what do you have? She identified with her base and that's about it. Just because there were no long pauses doesn't mean she did well.

She did well precisely because of that folksy charm and looks for a position that has historically been about folksy charm and looks.

GWB = Folksy charm. I dunno about looks but he's in great shape for a guy his age so maybe. Either way, we don't need more of that GWB shallow folksy crap embarrassing us around the world.

To me Palin comes across as over her head and this debate and showed it. She's a pretty face for (edit: the base of) her party.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
So if McCain acts like a grump, it's all about a judgment of character. But if Biden does the same, it's okay? Palin held her composure.

Apparently you didn't watch it.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
So if McCain acts like a grump, it's all about a judgment of character. But if Biden does the same, it's okay? Palin held her composure.

When was he a grump?

 

[hypn0tik]

Guys, McCain is THE maverick!

I think she gets wet every time she uses that word...

 

[cKGunslinger]

I must admit, I enjoyed this debate.

I thought Palin started decently strong - I even nodded agreement with her first few responses. But she quickly returned to silly talking points and folksy catechisms, while obviously avoiding her many weaknesses.

Biden was pretty much on-point the entire game. He was downright evil on McCain, rarely addressing Palin (not a lot to address, I assume.) I hate that my TiVo cut off the end, so I only saw half of Palin's closer, and none of Biden's.

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Palin succeeded in not totally embarrassing herself, but Biden seemed the definite stronger candidate.

Vote Ron Paul!!

 

[Erock]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Genx87
Biden was no clear winner. Palin did very well and did what she wanted in this debate. Biden fumbled around trying to find the right talking to point to toss out there hoping it sticks.

haha wtf

Sounds to me like Palin could only answer the energy questions. For every other question she was asked her lips flapped but nothing made sense.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
But she quickly returned to silly talking points and folksy catechisms, while obviously avoiding her many weaknesses.

You bet-cha! Wink wink, dog gone it! I'll have to find some and just bring 'em to ya!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Unfortunately I was sick, so I slept through the entire debate; I used this thread to see what I missed (you guys provide great "after the fact" commentary!). I am replying because I am absolutely shocked; this thread has 1080 views and 1010 replies. I have never, in all my years on online forums, seen a 99% rate on views versus replies, let alone when there are a thousand plus responses. Well done!

 

[badkarma1399]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Vote Ron Paul!!

I miss those days... A candidate who actually knew something beyond bullshitting and talking points.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Unfortunately I was sick, so I slept through the entire debate; I used this thread to see what I missed (you guys provide great "after the fact" commentary!). I am replying because I am absolutely shocked; this thread has 1080 views and 1010 replies. I have never, in all my years on online forums, seen a 99% rate on views versus replies, let alone when there are a thousand plus responses. Well done!

Thanks for not bringing down that average

 

[Synomenon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
If Biden were debating another long-time politician, would he have had to hold back as much as he did in this debate?

No. In previous debates, Biden has built a reputation as an 'attack dog.'

As I don't think many school teachers are going to be swayed to the Republican ticket no matter how much Palin shouts out to them, I don't see how Palin can do well with independents with her inability to answer questions directly, her slang speak and informality, her fake country accent (they don't really talk like that in suburban Anchorage), shout outs to folks at home, nonstop RNC talking points, and 'liberal media' rhetoric. Sure, she rallies the base, but that's not enough to put McCain over the top.

So then did Palin do as well as she did only because Biden had to hold back?

 

[Budmantom]

Biden and Obama will listen to the generals.....about Afganistan....and only Afganistan....if they like what they hear.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Giuliani: "one of the best debate 9/11's I have ever seen by 9/11. Only the liberal 9/11 can deny her this September 11th".

9/11

fixed

 

[Bitek]

Palin saved herself from her disastrous trend, but in the end I don't her landing too many hard hits on Obama, and she was not all the effective at advocating McCain's positions. She will ingratiate herself to the "yokel-That's the guy/gal i want to have a beer with" Republican, but she really doesn't make a strong case to the middle class which is being pounded right now, or really convey a sense that he is really connected to them.

Biden did do this very well, and had a lot of substantive answers of plans to help them. I saw alot of jingoism and platitudes from Palin, but very light on substance.
Her style may be very effective in other years, but this is such a serious time right now, I don't think many voters are going to stampede to the narrative of Palin. They are looking for real plans and answers and McCain's camp fell short again.
This may have been McCain's best last shot of turning it around, and its not going to be good enough.

 

[Shortcut]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Bush and Cheney will listen to the generals.....about Iraq....and only Iraq....if they like what they hear.

Fixed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
If Biden were debating another long-time politician, would he have had to hold back as much as he did in this debate?

No. In previous debates, Biden has built a reputation as an 'attack dog.'

As I don't think many school teachers are going to be swayed to the Republican ticket no matter how much Palin shouts out to them, I don't see how Palin can do well with independents with her inability to answer questions directly, her slang speak and informality, her fake country accent (they don't really talk like that in suburban Anchorage), shout outs to folks at home, nonstop RNC talking points, and 'liberal media' rhetoric. Sure, she rallies the base, but that's not enough to put McCain over the top.

So then did Palin do as well as she did only because Biden had to hold back?

Not at all. Palin did as well as she did because the format was kind to her read-from-the-flash-cards style. Something you can't do in interviews. But despite her interview trainwrecks, we already she knew has good presence and speaking ability from the RNC. She does fine as long as she doesn't have to say what she's actually thinking.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Biden and Obama will listen to the generals.....about Afganistan....and only Afganistan....if they like what they hear.

If the Founding Fathers wanted the generals in charge of the Military, they wouldn't have made the civilian president CIC.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Rove on again on Fox, announcing how brilliant Governor Palin's performance was, nit-picking Biden's "numerous gaffes" during the debate.

Still overwhelmingly a Palin win in the Fox poll; I'm shocked that a pay-to-vote poll on Fox would favor a Republican!!

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
The next debate is on teusday

New calendar? What are the other days of the week?