2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bullshit.

The only thing disproven this year was the notion that the free market works.

Or possibly the notion that our market is actually "free"...I HAVE heard the claim that the economic crisis was caused not by a lack of regulation, but by TOO MUCH regulation.:shocked:

Takes all kinds to make a world I guess.

You're never going to be able to "prove" something to everyone, no matter how convincing your proof.

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: speg
I never understood why these forums were so anti global warming.

Despite the chest-beating to the contrary, much of this forum is anti-science in general. You should see the response to my recent chiropractic thread. People around here tend to think that their gut instinct trumps science.

"science" has failed with this one, but then the global warming funding is keeping some of them nicely employed.

No, "politics" and "the media" have failed with this one, and clearly the education system has as well if you think that it's not still an open question.

And how dare you imply that a large contingent of scientists would deliberately obscure the truth just for their funding. There will always be a few bad apples, but all in all scientists care much more than an accurate message is presented than the people who end up doing the presenting.

Maybe if you actually read journals instead of mainstream lowest-common-denominator media articles you would realize this. But instead you've let people with agendas tell you what the "scientists" have concluded.

settle down mr bmoc.

i have spoken with a couple of professors at Cornell University in the Atmospheric Science program. so how do you like me now?

"global warming" is not man made and if it's occurring we aren't going to stop it. i'm all for improving air quality and finding cleaner energy, but i'm not sold on anybody who tells me man is changing the earth's temperature.

 

[manowar821]

No.

 

[ra990]

Yea just because we're getting cold temps and snow doesn't disprove Global Warming. In Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" he talks about how one of the effects is that areas that are usually warm will become colder over time and the colder ones will become warmer.

 

[BassBomb]

While I don't disagree the earth probably has cooling/warming cycles I do believe we are influencing the cycle to some extent

 

[DangerAardvark]

You ridiculous fucking monkeys, one year is just noise against the background of centuries of climate data. Stop using YOUR FUCKING WEATHER to try and prove this one way or the other.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: JohnCU
i love when people say that just because it's cold, global warming doesn't exist. global warming can cause global cooling because of its effects on the ocean currents. didn't you people watch the day after tomorrow?

I think of it more as total climate change than just global warming.

I mean we just went through one of craziest snowfalls I've ever experienced here, but does that disprove global warming? No, it just means the overall climate is wonky, at least in my opinion.

KT

This.

People take the term global warming too literally. Even in some of the worst case scenarios where all the polar ice caps melt and coastal cities are flooded they are usually looking at a global average increase of something on the order of 5 degs C or so and most scenarios aren't that high. Though even these "lesser" scenarios could cost trillions of dollars in economic harm and the loss of millions of lives. The global climate is a complex physical system with the sun as the main input but containing innumerable feedback loops and interdependencies. Basically global warming is going to add more energy into the system in general which yes will lead to increases in temperatures is some places but more importantly it will mess with global climatic systems in general. What most people will see is not warming per say, at least not really noticeable warming, but a shift in weather patterns. More storms where there were no storms, rain where there was no rain, drought where there used to be rain, cold where it used to be hot, etc... etc...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bullshit.

The only thing disproven this year was the notion that the free market works.

Or possibly the notion that our market is actually "free"...I HAVE heard the claim that the economic crisis was caused not by a lack of regulation, but by TOO MUCH regulation.:shocked:

Takes all kinds to make a world I guess.

You're never going to be able to "prove" something to everyone, no matter how convincing your proof.

Yeah, too much regulation caused this problem...yep, if fewer people had been scrutinizing home loans or the lending system during the past 8 years we wouldn't have this problem. My home is now worth 6 times the money I paid for it...Oh look, oil futures are now worth 6 times what I paid for it...

Can I interest you in a pyramid scheme?

Yes, free market is the shit.:roll:

 

[Jeff7]

The "free market" also once said that slavery was ok. Now that's gone away, thanks to regulation of an otherwise highly-profitable market.

How much is an unpaid human laborer worth? Why not let the market decide? Turns out, without regulation, the price is fairly low.

Still doesn't mean it's ethical.

 

[Lonyo]

Suddenly it has become rather less appealing that we should divert trillions of dollars, pounds and euros into the fantasy that we could reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 80 per cent. All those grandiose projects for "emissions trading", "carbon capture", building tens of thousands more useless wind turbines, switching vast areas of farmland from producing food to "biofuels", are being exposed as no more than enormously damaging and futile gestures, costing astronomic sums we no longer possess.

As 2009 dawns, it is time we in Britain faced up to the genuine crisis now fast approaching from the fact that ? unless we get on very soon with building enough proper power stations to fill our looming "energy gap" - within a few years our lights will go out and what remains of our economy will judder to a halt. After years of infantile displacement activity, it is high time our politicians ? along with those of the EU and President Obama's US ? were brought back with a mighty jolt into contact with the real world.

Well the current trends of going to nuclear and renewables instead of fossil fuel plants are actually a GOOD idea in light of the impending energy crisis.
If the last year or two has taught us anything, it's that oil prices can fluctuate wildly (as can everything else, like all raw materials skyrocketed due to high demand), so surely investing lots in renewable energy which doesn't so much require a hugely volatile in terms of pricing fuel source (e.g. nuclear, tidal, hydroelectric), makes sense from a strategy point of view still, even if not from an "oh no carbon emissions" one...?

 

[Pocatello]

People still think they're capable of destroying the planet. Silly human.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
People still think they're capable of destroying the planet. Silly human.

Yeah, there's no way we could destroy the planet. That's easily disproven.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: speg
I never understood why these forums were so anti global warming.

Despite the chest-beating to the contrary, much of this forum is anti-science in general.

You should see the response to my recent chiropractic thread. People around here tend to think that their gut instinct trumps science.

What? God you really ARE a noob. These forums are anything BUT anti-science. Most of the people in here are great and math and science, and are pretty good at keeping up with the science world. Sure there are a few rare ones that don't believe the science side, but the gross majority of AT like the cold provable facts of science.

You really have no fucking clue what's going on around these parts do you GA?

I second this. Most people here, despite the elitism, are fairly intelligent. The forum is anything but anti-science.

I also agree regarding most members, but there is a large anti-science contingent on this forum.

Doesn't bode well for the future

Hah, Dave just sided with you, making any and all points of yours completely moot!

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Pocatello
People still think they're capable of destroying the planet. Silly human.

Yeah, there's no way we could destroy the planet. That's easily disproven.

Planet Earth has survived many mass extinctions before, asteroids, comets, super volcanoes, you name it. Planet Earth has been fine without human for billions of year, the history of human is just a footnote.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
While I don't disagree the earth probably has cooling/warming cycles I do believe we are influencing the cycle to some extent

What was the ice age?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Pocatello
People still think they're capable of destroying the planet. Silly human.

Yeah, there's no way we could destroy the planet. That's easily disproven.

Planet Earth has survived many mass extinctions before, asteroids, comets, super volcanoes, you name it. Planet Earth has been fine without human for billions of year, the history of human is just a footnote.

The planet's a ball of rock. We should be trying to save ourselves.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Pocatello
People still think they're capable of destroying the planet. Silly human.

Yeah, there's no way we could destroy the planet. That's easily disproven.

Planet Earth has survived many mass extinctions before, asteroids, comets, super volcanoes, you name it. Planet Earth has been fine without human for billions of year, the history of human is just a footnote.

You're right. Who gives a crap if you or your offspring survive or, god forbid, live a comfortable life on this planet. I might as well come over to your house and kill you now...in the big scheme of things you are just a microscopic speck of dust on the asshole of the universe so on that level your existence is totally meaningless. Nothing you do or ever could do will ever matter.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
You ridiculous fucking monkeys, one year is just noise against the background of centuries of climate data. Stop using YOUR FUCKING WEATHER to try and prove this one way or the other.

/thread.


oh and mosh talked to some people at some school some time good for her.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
You ridiculous fucking monkeys, one year is just noise against the background of centuries of climate data. Stop using YOUR FUCKING WEATHER to try and prove this one way or the other.

/thread.


oh and mosh talked to some people at some school some time good for her.

not just some school.
ask Andy Bernard about Cornell.

 

[SparkyJJO]

650 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims

Couple of the best quotes in there:
?The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.? - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni

?The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn?t listen to others. It doesn?t have open minds? I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,? - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Bullshit.

The only thing disproven this year was the notion that the free market works.

Word

Fo' real. Even when it DOES work like it's supposed to (read: GM, Chrysler failing because they suck herniated asshole), the government has to go and interfere with it. What was this thread about? :bunnypancake;

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
You ridiculous fucking monkeys, one year is just noise against the background of centuries of climate data. Stop using YOUR FUCKING WEATHER to try and prove this one way or the other.

/thread.


oh and mosh talked to some people at some school some time good for her.

not just some school.
ask Andy Bernard about Cornell.

That's why I'll go to the vastly superior Dartmouth =)