2009 Camaro concept

[RMSistight]

It still won't save GM from the brink of bankruptcy.

 

[Syrch]

looking good

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

WTH, there is no current production Camaro available, and the last Camaro SS was a 320hp same as the Stealth TT

 

[Acanthus]

Ford did a much better job with the new mustang, i hate that thing, it looks like they took a corvette, and made it pointy.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

WTH, there is no current production Camaro available, and the last Camaro SS was a 320hp, i'm sure the stealth couldn't even touch that

Stealth R/T TT had exactly that, 320HP

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

WTH, there is no current production Camaro available, and the last Camaro SS was a 320hp, i'm sure the stealth couldn't even touch that

Stealth R/T TT had exactly that, 320HP

Yeah, i just found the specs and fixed my post, but my point was it doesn't have more power than the Camaro, but the Camaro did have more torque

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

WTH, there is no current production Camaro available, and the last Camaro SS was a 320hp, i'm sure the stealth couldn't even touch that

Stealth R/T TT had exactly that, 320HP

Yeah, i just found the specs and fixed my post, but my point was it doesn't have more power than the Camaro

It has more power than all but the SS and even then the SS only matches it so again how is Camaro > Steatlh?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

So you've sat in and driven this car? and as for AWD, it doesn't need it.

Umm, when someone says Camaro > Stealth I assumed they meaned actualy production vehicles that are available now.

Btw, the only reason any vehicle doesn't need AWD is because it doesn't have enough power.

WTH, there is no current production Camaro available, and the last Camaro SS was a 320hp, i'm sure the stealth couldn't even touch that

Stealth R/T TT had exactly that, 320HP

Yeah, i just found the specs and fixed my post, but my point was it doesn't have more power than the Camaro

It has more power than all but the SS and even then the SS only matches it so again how is Camaro > Steatlh?

hey, its all a matter of opinion, but you're original claims were false and that's all i wanted to point out (except for the interior part, the new Camaro should fix that)

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

Are you sure the stealth makes more power than the LS1 camaro? The latest 98+ fish-mouth camaros were kind of ugly but the early 90's body > the stealth in the looks department. Can't argue about the cheap interior though.

 

[cbehnken]

hey, its all a matter of opinion, but you're original claims were false and that's all i wanted to point out (except for the interior part, the new Camaro should fix that)[/quote]

So the fact that the Stealth has 2x the traction is false? Right...you're saying 2 wheels are better than 4.

 

[MBrown]

Its not going to look like that by 2009.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken


So the fact that the Stealth has 2x the traction is false? Right...you're saying 2 wheels are better than 4.

never said 2wd is better, i just said it doesn't need AWD

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

Are you sure the stealth makes more power than the LS1 camaro? The latest 98+ fish-mouth camaros were kind of ugly but the early 90's body > the stealth in the looks department. Can't argue about the cheap interior though.

Stealth TT makes 320 stock, that is more than standard LS1 (fbody) and the same as the SS.

Have you actually seen 94+ Stealths that are clean?

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken


So the fact that the Stealth has 2x the traction is false? Right...you're saying 2 wheels are better than 4.

never said 2wd is better, i just said it doesn't need AWD

If you like tire slip more than actual accleration, sure.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken


So the fact that the Stealth has 2x the traction is false? Right...you're saying 2 wheels are better than 4.

never said 2wd is better, i just said it doesn't need AWD

If you like tire slip more than actual accleration, sure.

are you sure, the '02 SS did 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, Stealth at 5.3? AND the Camaro weighed more.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: hemiram

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Looks like a new Charger missing two doors. Thank god its not going to have the overhyped hemi pos

If it runs as good as a 300/Charger does with the "overhyped" hemi, we should all be happy. If they can get the weight down to 3500 Lbs, it will be great. And in what way is the hemi a POS? It's not a "real" hemi, but who cares? It's still a great engine.

if i'm not mistaken, it's planned to have a 6speed MT along with the 6.1L V8

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

How do you figure? The last (2002) Camaro made 335 HP stock in its top form (naturally aspirated), and the last (1996) Stealth made 320 HP stock (with twin turbos). The Camaro was more powerful to begin with, and the motor has a lot more "room for improvement" than the one in the Stealth.
Looks are subjective.
AWD - I'll give you that. However, while the AWD is nice, wait till something breaks or you have to work on it (or pay someone else to work on it). Not to mention, find parts for it.
And the interior on a Stealth is not exactly prime quality either. These cars were built for performance enthusiasts, not dash strokers.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

Are you sure the stealth makes more power than the LS1 camaro? The latest 98+ fish-mouth camaros were kind of ugly but the early 90's body > the stealth in the looks department. Can't argue about the cheap interior though.

Stealth TT makes 320 stock, that is more than standard LS1 (fbody) and the same as the SS.

Have you actually seen 94+ Stealths that are clean?

The stealth TT is the same as a vr4 300gt correct? The SS camaro makes more than the base 300gt's. If were going to compare the two cars then compare the top performance offerings; VR4 vs SS. In that comparison you are wrong to say the stealth is more powerful.

I do think the stealths look clean, but the camaro's or even more so the firebirds just look badass in all black.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: WisMan

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Two words:

BUTT UGLY

Camaro > Stealth

You better double check your math.

Looks like good math to me.

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

How do you figure? The last (2002) Camaro made 335 HP stock in its top form (naturally aspirated), and the last (1996) Stealth made 320 HP stock (with twin turbos). The Camaro was more powerful to begin with, and the motor has a lot more "room for improvement" than the one in the Stealth.
Looks are subjective.
AWD - I'll give you that. However, while the AWD is nice, wait till something breaks or you have to work on it (or pay someone else to work on it). Not to mention, find parts for it.
And the interior on a Stealth is not exactly prime quality either. These cars were built for performance enthusiasts, not dash strokers.

Interior on the Stealth are very beautiful, have you sat in one? Full leather wil a cockpit like seating area.

AWD is great and as long as you don't do 7,000 RPM hole shots all the time the drivetrain holds up great.

Room for improvement? Ray Pampena has already made 877 horsepower at all 4 wheels with just the stock 3 liters of displacement in a daily driver. Stock block.

How can you say a turbo motor has less room for improvement? Triple the stock output of the LS1 and tell me it's still able to be driven on the street,

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: cbehnken


So the fact that the Stealth has 2x the traction is false? Right...you're saying 2 wheels are better than 4.

never said 2wd is better, i just said it doesn't need AWD

If you like tire slip more than actual accleration, sure.

are you sure, the '02 SS did 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, Stealth at 5.3? AND the Camaro weighed more.

Why don't you try that someplace other than a prepared track, LOL. Try actually driving a RWD car with 320HP on the streets or GOD FORBID around curves.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Really? So a car that makes less power, is unglier, doesn't have AWD, and has a cheap interior is better?

Are you sure the stealth makes more power than the LS1 camaro? The latest 98+ fish-mouth camaros were kind of ugly but the early 90's body > the stealth in the looks department. Can't argue about the cheap interior though.

Stealth TT makes 320 stock, that is more than standard LS1 (fbody) and the same as the SS.

Have you actually seen 94+ Stealths that are clean?

The stealth TT is the same as a vr4 300gt correct? The SS camaro makes more than the base 300gt's. If were going to compare the two cars then compare the top performance offerings; VR4 vs SS. In that comparison you are wrong to say the stealth is more powerful.

I do think the stealths look clean, but the camaro's or even more so the firebirds just look badass in all black.

Okay, so let's compare top models. Engine output is nearly the same. OK. Now let's compare other parts:

1. AWD - not sure I really need to discuss this anymore, anyone that claims RWD is superior for road driving must have some kind of brain defect.
2. Interior is obiously higher quality if you've actually sit in both.
3. There are approximately 1.7^23 Cameros. About a couple thousand Stealth TTs.
4. Exterior points are argueable so we'll call this a tie.

So how again is Camaro > Stealth?

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Okay, so let's compare top models. Engine output is nearly the same. OK. Now let's compare other parts:

1. AWD - not sure I really need to discuss this anymore, anyone that claims RWD is superior for road driving must have some kind of brain defect.
2. Interior is obiously higher quality if you've actually sit in both.
3. There are approximately 1.7^23 Cameros. About a couple thousand Stealth TTs.
4. Exterior points are argueable so we'll call this a tie.

So how again is Camaro > Stealth?

Your claim that AWD is much superior is debatable. It has its disadvantages too, like weight, cost, maintenance cost, power efficiency. Sure it has better traction and stability, but it isn't always better than RWD considering everything.

Related to this is the cost issue. New, the TT went for around $40K and the SS went for under $25K I believe.

So bang for buck can you honestly say the stealth > camaro? I don't think so.